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Post by newgenandy on Feb 11, 2017 16:20:48 GMT -5
So I don't collect seriously? As that's what your opening statement eludes to. I would consider browsing eBay and other sites daily, weekly attending car boots (flea market equivalent in the uk), other markets and retro stores / toy fares ONLY looking for hasbros to be a 'serious collector' I just prefer my 'serious collection' to be unboxed so I can hold and view from all angles. Perfect #2 has the back of his singlet painted which is ment to be seen, not just the front or side through packaging. Always amused me how judgemental the box collectors are over unboxed collectors. But I'll accept your a much better bigger snd more important collector than I am s you collect mib. I only wish I could be as cool as you You and I are both talking about MOC collectors. You say you don't understand them and I am a serious MOC collector so I am referring to that. Your exact quote was "For those of us that collect seriously it's about preserving the figures and collecting things of value" So in that quote your saying in not a serious collector, that's an example of a moc collector having a superiority complex over loose collectors. As I'm not "preserving" them by opening them. I could easily take a view that moc collectors are obviously compensating for something the same as a balding middle aged man buys a sports car to still appear cool. However I don't take that view as in not as judgemental as you are Does collecting things "of value" as you put it make you feel important and aid your superiority complex?
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figurehumble
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Post by figurehumble on Feb 11, 2017 17:06:07 GMT -5
You did actually describe MOC collections as items rotting on a shelf - sounds kind of judgey to me. You're also assuming that vintagetoycoop is only a MOC collector.
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vintagetoycoop
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Post by vintagetoycoop on Feb 11, 2017 19:54:47 GMT -5
You and I are both talking about MOC collectors. You say you don't understand them and I am a serious MOC collector so I am referring to that. Your exact quote was "For those of us that collect seriously it's about preserving the figures and collecting things of value" So in that quote your saying in not a serious collector, that's an example of a moc collector having a superiority complex over loose collectors. As I'm not "preserving" them by opening them. I could easily take a view that moc collectors are obviously compensating for something the same as a balding middle aged man buys a sports car to still appear cool. However I don't take that view as in not as judgemental as you are Does collecting things "of value" as you put it make you feel important and aid your superiority complex? I've already clarified what I was referring to. I am giving my opinion as to why I collect MOC and why some other people with large MOC collections do as well. The "serious" MOC collector as opposed to someone who might have a few MOC but isn't really interested in completing a set (for example). I, and other MOC collectors, enjoy preserving the MOC ones and the value that goes with it. I'm not implying anything about the seriousness or otherwise of your collection (or any loose collectors for that matter). I'm simply referring to the type of MOC collector that I consider myself to be. I get that you've had a number of people criticise your collecting and try to tell you what to do, or tell you what you're doing is wrong. But I'm not doing that. As I said in my original post, if you open the ones you buy that's up to you. You enjoy the figures you collect however you want to. All that matters is we get what we want out of our own individual collections. I also have a near complete loose set so I understand wanting the actual figure in your hands as well. It's nice to see compare the backs of Macho King and Macho Man #3 for example, or see the writing on the back of Nailz and Razor Ramon. Or the rips in the back of Hulk's singlets.
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 12, 2017 2:01:35 GMT -5
Your exact quote was "For those of us that collect seriously it's about preserving the figures and collecting things of value" So in that quote your saying in not a serious collector, that's an example of a moc collector having a superiority complex over loose collectors. As I'm not "preserving" them by opening them. I could easily take a view that moc collectors are obviously compensating for something the same as a balding middle aged man buys a sports car to still appear cool. However I don't take that view as in not as judgemental as you are Does collecting things "of value" as you put it make you feel important and aid your superiority complex? I've already clarified what I was referring to. I am giving my opinion as to why I collect MOC and why some other people with large MOC collections do as well. The "serious" MOC collector as opposed to someone who might have a few MOC but isn't really interested in completing a set (for example). I, and other MOC collectors, enjoy preserving the MOC ones and the value that goes with it. I'm not implying anything about the seriousness or otherwise of your collection (or any loose collectors for that matter). I'm simply referring to the type of MOC collector that I consider myself to be. I get that you've had a number of people criticise your collecting and try to tell you what to do, or tell you what you're doing is wrong. But I'm not doing that. As I said in my original post, if you open the ones you buy that's up to you. You enjoy the figures you collect however you want to. All that matters is we get what we want out of our own individual collections. I also have a near complete loose set so I understand wanting the actual figure in your hands as well. It's nice to see compare the backs of Macho King and Macho Man #3 for example, or see the writing on the back of Nailz and Razor Ramon. Or the rips in the back of Hulk's singlets. Cool, sometimes tho he can get lost in translation on a message board / social media etc but I get ya. :-)
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 12, 2017 2:03:31 GMT -5
I personally don't like shelf filler. MOC sitting there just to be looked at...I don't get it Yes these are old Yes there might not be many MOC But these are toys These are to be ripped open, packaging thrown to one side, the card on the back to be cut out later after the excitement of having the figure died down. You open it and you smash your new purchase against your old one, new favourite against old favourite bashing about in the blue ring It's an opinion, I know some people like looking st their collections and more power to them, but for me my enjoyment is sitting on the floor, an old in your house ppv on the network on the background while my kids and I bash these figures to heaven before we decide it's time for a submission or a 1,2,3 ding ding ding You actually play with them still? With my kids yeah. I don't play with them by myself after they've gone to bed lol, but yeah...love playing with them with the kids and I do commentary with all the good ol' JR cliches and video them then we watch them back together
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Post by Dylan ❤️s Wrestling on Apr 26, 2017 18:42:53 GMT -5
I buy a lot of toys twice, I find it very hard to find the quality I want for most figures so I'll buy them carded twice and open the lower quality card.
However this thread being specifically about Hasbros, 90% of those retain all their quality magically through the years being loose...and the Hasbro cards are some of my favourites...so that can be a tougher call for some figures.
As for the argument about dwindling the pool of MOCs available, I kind of like that. Rarity is part of the magic of collecting and so making items more elusive...kinda rad in a way.
As Mattel has been making these new Retro figures and doing such a good job, a part of me wonders if they remake some of the Hasbro time period better or just as good as the originals how that'll effect things...kind of like what happened when Hasbro started making exact duplicates of the G1 Transformers.
If the market gets oversaturated or the Mattel line starts effecting Hasbro prices I'll definitely be looking to open some MOC figures.
To me it's kind of like ordering an overly expensive steak, yeah it's pricey and the experience is short but...man is it sweet to bust into that plastic and know how long it's been waiting!
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Apr 27, 2017 1:57:17 GMT -5
I'm finding any more it's tough to find Hasbros in mint but opened condition. It's hard to tell from ebay photos and you can't trust anybody's word on it. If they are in great shape, they're usually trying to get almost as much as it's worth moc. I do still have a good chunk of my loose collection of good condition figs, but to fill the holes I have been buying some of them MOC twice. I'm holding off on opening them until I'm sure I'm not just going to end up re-selling anything.
And I don't think the mattel line will do anything but drive up the Hasbro market. They can't duplicate anything Hasbro did and nor would they if they could. And I doubt they'll get into any of the mid card guys either. So many guys are never going to be made because of severed relationships with WWE and even if they made a thousand different figs, most collectors are completionists and you can't replace a Hasbro with a Mattel.
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Post by paulromafan on Apr 27, 2017 12:08:25 GMT -5
I believe once you own something you can do whatever with it. If you have a MOC Hasbro and wish to open then its totally up to you. I personally don't as I like the look of them MOC. I used to open them as a kid and play with them. I still have those 15 or so Hasbros from when i was 8 years old in 1992. I like all the marks on them because that was all my doing as a kid. Now I collect them moc because i just like how they look carded, it remind me of the time getting excited seeing them that way in the stores as a kid.
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