kingpin005
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Post by kingpin005 on Jan 18, 2017 19:48:53 GMT -5
Each line has its own individual budget, so secondary lines like the talkers, mutants, etc don't impact the basic or elites one way or the other. They're not my cup of tea, but they seem to be selling decently in my area. Save your breath. The same idiots will continue to not understand this. You don't understand business/economics. Perhaps you are buying up basics with batteries at near elite prices? You're so smart. |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jan 18, 2017 20:01:23 GMT -5
Save your breath. The same idiots will continue to not understand this. You don't understand business/economics. Perhaps you are buying up basics with batteries at near elite prices? You're so smart. No, you dont understand. If you take money from one line and dedicate it to another, then that line just becomes more expensive. They will always pass the price onto us. They have figures from $2.99-24.99 mighty minis-DMs. These appeal to different customers. While most of us would prefer basics/elites (and even say us as kids would) doesnt mean that there isnt someone looking for an alternative, or something new. |
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Jan 18, 2017 20:16:47 GMT -5
You don't understand business/economics. Perhaps you are buying up basics with batteries at near elite prices? You're so smart. No, you dont understand. If you take money from one line and dedicate it to another, then that line just becomes more expensive. They will always pass the price onto us. They have figures from $2.99-24.99 mighty minis-DMs. These appeal to different customers. While most of us would prefer basics/elites (and even say us as kids would) doesnt mean that there isnt someone looking for an alternative, or something new. But obviously not enough kids are liking these things because the get panned year after year. Like the other poster said, if they are losing money on one of the lines in the 'WWE pool' (on the kids line) are they not making up that loss by skimping out on DM's, slacking off on QC, doing this, not doing that, trying to make us believe that any cloth that is used is like it's laced with gold That seems completely logical to me |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jan 18, 2017 20:26:46 GMT -5
No, you dont understand. If you take money from one line and dedicate it to another, then that line just becomes more expensive. They will always pass the price onto us. They have figures from $2.99-24.99 mighty minis-DMs. These appeal to different customers. While most of us would prefer basics/elites (and even say us as kids would) doesnt mean that there isnt someone looking for an alternative, or something new. But obviously not enough kids are liking these things because the get panned year after year. Like the other poster said, if they are losing money on one of the lines in the 'WWE pool' (on the kids line) are they not making up that loss by skimping out on DM's, slacking off on QC, doing this, not doing that, trying to make us believe that any cloth that is used is like it's laced with gold That seems completely logical to me I think it has more to do with parents having alternatives to buy. They may be clueless to basics and elites, but see a figure in between prices with a gimmick and might buy it. Im not sure how it is with Barbie/Hot Wheels as those are their bread and butter. Im sure money could be managed differently by Mattel, but we've been told by Bill who has to work under a budget how things are. Mattel says we want this this and this at these price points and sets up factory costs. If they put that money towards another line, then they just have to make it up by charging us more. They arent "saving money" by not making certain lines. Theyre making money by selling retailers new lines regardless of how exciting that is to us hardcore collectors. |
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Post by Al_Snow_MotherF***ers on Jan 18, 2017 20:33:33 GMT -5
Has anybody heard the Lesnar one? It's not even his voice. Only the cena one is the rest are crap voices for some reason Kevin's owens sounds deeper than his Spongebob voice he has |
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Jan 18, 2017 20:43:39 GMT -5
But obviously not enough kids are liking these things because the get panned year after year. Like the other poster said, if they are losing money on one of the lines in the 'WWE pool' (on the kids line) are they not making up that loss by skimping out on DM's, slacking off on QC, doing this, not doing that, trying to make us believe that any cloth that is used is like it's laced with gold That seems completely logical to me I think it has more to do with parents having alternatives to buy. They may be clueless to basics and elites, but see a figure in between prices with a gimmick and might buy it. Im not sure how it is with Barbie/Hot Wheels as those are their bread and butter. Im sure money could be managed differently by Mattel, but we've been told by Bill who has to work under a budget how things are. Mattel says we want this this and this at these price points and sets up factory costs. If they put that money towards another line, then they just have to make it up by charging us more. They arent "saving money" by not making certain lines. Theyre making money by selling retailers new lines regardless of how exciting that is to us hardcore collectors. I understand that. And I'm not saying don't make those kids lines and put the $ towards Basics and Elites. I'm just saying big picture, $ for the WWE pool. If year after year these things tank , it's all new starting from scratch research & development and whatever else goes into creating new things from scratch Personally I would think it would make the overall WWE $ pool shrink, therefore having to cut corners on your 'money makers' (in WWE land) |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jan 18, 2017 20:45:24 GMT -5
But obviously not enough kids are liking these things because the get panned year after year. Like the other poster said, if they are losing money on one of the lines in the 'WWE pool' (on the kids line) are they not making up that loss by skimping out on DM's, slacking off on QC, doing this, not doing that, trying to make us believe that any cloth that is used is like it's laced with gold That seems completely logical to me I think it has more to do with parents having alternatives to buy. They may be clueless to basics and elites, but see a figure in between prices with a gimmick and might buy it. Im not sure how it is with Barbie/Hot Wheels as those are their bread and butter. Im sure money could be managed differently by Mattel, but we've been told by Bill who has to work under a budget how things are. Mattel says we want this this and this at these price points and sets up factory costs. If they put that money towards another line, then they just have to make it up by charging us more. They arent "saving money" by not making certain lines. Theyre making money by selling retailers new lines regardless of how exciting that is to us hardcore collectors. I'll take it even further to say it's not just Mattel here: the Walmarts and Targets of the world sucker families in by having variety. They want to be diverse just as much as Mattel does. I'm sure they tell the companies they want more than 2 or 3 lines if they've set aside certain amounts of floor space for them. I've mentioned it before, but Mattel is looking for their next big seller. Basics and Elites aren't going anywhere, and I'm positive they get the bulk of the budget money, but in trying to grow your business you have to try new things and realize that failure isn't the opposite of success. You just have to adjust and try something else. And as much as I love when New Day's Sweater enters threads like these and drops the knowledge, I'm happy to see several others coming to the understanding of how the industry works. |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jan 18, 2017 20:49:04 GMT -5
I think it has more to do with parents having alternatives to buy. They may be clueless to basics and elites, but see a figure in between prices with a gimmick and might buy it. Im not sure how it is with Barbie/Hot Wheels as those are their bread and butter. Im sure money could be managed differently by Mattel, but we've been told by Bill who has to work under a budget how things are. Mattel says we want this this and this at these price points and sets up factory costs. If they put that money towards another line, then they just have to make it up by charging us more. They arent "saving money" by not making certain lines. Theyre making money by selling retailers new lines regardless of how exciting that is to us hardcore collectors. I understand that. And I'm not saying don't make those kids lines and put the $ towards Basics and Elites. I'm just saying big picture, $ for the WWE pool. If year after year these things tank , it's all new starting from scratch research & development and whatever else goes into creating new things from scratch Personally I would think it would make the overall WWE $ pool shrink, therefore having to cut corners on your 'money makers' (in WWE land) Believe me when I say they're not cutting money from the key lines to fund the experimental side stuff. Money comes in across the board, from all the licenses they have. They do yearly budgets for each sub line. They base it off individual performance and go from there. If cutting corners is happening on one line, it's happening across the board. |
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Post by The Undisputed Future on Jan 18, 2017 20:50:34 GMT -5
I understand the argument that they might appeal to kids because of the whole talking aspect, but I don't see why kids would want them over basics that have a wider variety of superstars within the line, more points of articulation so they can actually play with them (is that not what kids buy wrestling figures for?) and when basics are £10 and these are £15? Just seems like a useless line to me
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Jan 18, 2017 20:51:00 GMT -5
I think it has more to do with parents having alternatives to buy. They may be clueless to basics and elites, but see a figure in between prices with a gimmick and might buy it. Im not sure how it is with Barbie/Hot Wheels as those are their bread and butter. Im sure money could be managed differently by Mattel, but we've been told by Bill who has to work under a budget how things are. Mattel says we want this this and this at these price points and sets up factory costs. If they put that money towards another line, then they just have to make it up by charging us more. They arent "saving money" by not making certain lines. Theyre making money by selling retailers new lines regardless of how exciting that is to us hardcore collectors. I'll take it even further to say it's not just Mattel here: the Walmarts and Targets of the world sucker families in by having variety. They want to be diverse just as much as Mattel does. I'm sure they tell the companies they want more than 2 or 3 lines if they've set aside certain amounts of floor space for them. I've mentioned it before, but Mattel is looking for their next big seller. Basics and Elites aren't going anywhere, and I'm positive they get the bulk of the budget money, but in trying to grow your business you have to try new things and realize that failure isn't the opposite of success. You just have to adjust and try something else. And as much as I love when New Day's Sweater enters threads like these and drops the knowledge, I'm happy to see several others coming to the understanding of how the industry works. Maybe that kind of thinking is why the WWE section is a quarter of what it used to be at Target. Who knows. |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Jan 18, 2017 20:56:57 GMT -5
I'll take it even further to say it's not just Mattel here: the Walmarts and Targets of the world sucker families in by having variety. They want to be diverse just as much as Mattel does. I'm sure they tell the companies they want more than 2 or 3 lines if they've set aside certain amounts of floor space for them. I've mentioned it before, but Mattel is looking for their next big seller. Basics and Elites aren't going anywhere, and I'm positive they get the bulk of the budget money, but in trying to grow your business you have to try new things and realize that failure isn't the opposite of success. You just have to adjust and try something else. And as much as I love when New Day's Sweater enters threads like these and drops the knowledge, I'm happy to see several others coming to the understanding of how the industry works. Maybe that kind of thinking is why the WWE section is a quarter of what it used to be at Target. Who knows. Which part? Wanting to have variety or how you build your business? No, the argument about why the section has shrunk has many factors that have been beaten to death over the last year. Execution might be one, but sound business strategy is not. |
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Post by TheChamp420 on Jan 18, 2017 21:06:55 GMT -5
My Target hasn't had a regular elite series in MONTHS! I find better figures at walgreens
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venusflytyr
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Post by venusflytyr on Jan 18, 2017 22:02:47 GMT -5
if you really did go to every single store and noticed that only Target has them pilling up, how much time total though did you really give to assess that they are still there now? True, I have only seen the Tough Talkers at Target and maybe they got more in, but first I only saw ONE of EACH just Seth and Bray, then another time they only had ONE Kevin (was there again a few more times but i stopped looking in their direction since I got which ones i wanted already, and am not sure if all of a sudden they got a million billion in stock)
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Post by Chewdeezy on Jan 18, 2017 22:19:58 GMT -5
Target doesn't care. Just more items for clearance in the near future.
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Post by kennyw86 on Jan 18, 2017 23:34:48 GMT -5
Save your breath. The same idiots will continue to not understand this. You don't understand business/economics. Perhaps you are buying up basics with batteries at near elite prices? You're so smart. ...found the one child left behind |
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jan 18, 2017 23:38:45 GMT -5
I haven't been to target in months
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Post by stc13 on Jan 19, 2017 0:48:41 GMT -5
There are a lot of complex factors that play into the supply chain before a figure ever hits retail. Manufacturers (and the brand they represent) are trying to maintain shelf/peg space. They need to have a variety of lines out at pretty much all times to maintain that space. As much as we'd all love to see 8 pegs stocked with nothing but Elites, stores will only dedicate so many pegs to a one line. Also I don't believe the details of the Mattel contract are fully known. Mattel may be contracted to deliver X different products in a year or over the life of the contract. These are toys. While I would bet that even the lines that tank are still profitable, there is also a marketing/branding element that results in more exposure for the product and ideally more eyeballs watching tv, attending shows, etc.
The long and short of it: Mattel is a Fortune 500 company. While we may not like some of the decisions they make as collectors, they probably know what they're doing when it comes to running a profitable toy line.
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WreckerJack
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Post by WreckerJack on Jan 19, 2017 1:00:03 GMT -5
Target doesn't care. Just more items for clearance in the near future. Maybe they will shelfwarm until the 4th of July and go on clearance in time for fire cracker season. Just sayin'. |
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Post by kiloinnorcal on Jan 19, 2017 1:40:47 GMT -5
My Target hasn't had a regular elite series in MONTHS! I find better figures at walgreens Lucky! Outside of the HOF line, which came and went over the summer, my three local Targets haven't gotten new Elites in over a year... over a year! |
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Post by JC Motors on Jan 19, 2017 11:27:47 GMT -5
These are worse than FlexForce
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