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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Jan 20, 2017 22:54:31 GMT -5
Stone Cold had a domestic case against him for hitting Debra X-pac was in a porn too
Vince made people kiss his ass Razor Ramon was a huge alcoholic that had a "ESPN 30for30" piece about it Shawn Michaels did Playgirl Brock Lesner tested positive for steroids Randy Orton tested positive for steroids Big Show was arrested for a bar fight These wrestlers got figures! Listen Mattel and everyone, people have a past. It shouldnt all be held against them. Lets get more female wrestlers that were named in this thread, including Chyna. So were Mickie James and Bubba Ray. They both got figures. Yes Mickie sure did.
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Post by Bandalero on Jan 20, 2017 23:01:48 GMT -5
you know when you watch too much inauguration coverage then read a thread title like this and your heart skips a beat...
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jan 20, 2017 23:07:43 GMT -5
Is it maybe viewed differently being in a porn/sex tape vs being a porn star? Plus she had issues with HHH and steph McMahon so not a very favorable character for wwe and Mattel.
Look, I want a Chyna figure I don't care about what she did. She should be forgiven and inducted into the HOF imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 23:10:01 GMT -5
I only collect the males. Would be a waste of time and plastic for mattel imo
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Post by valo487 on Jan 20, 2017 23:36:36 GMT -5
I always thought that the porn excuse in Chyna's case was just that, an excuse. And I'm not knocking WWE, it's easier to say that than to say "Look, we could deal with the porn, but she accuses our employees of sexual assault, pedophilia and domestic violence when she's in front of a microphone and not sober, we don't trust her." But I think now that there will be an effort made to focus on the positives of her life, so I think she will definitely end up in the Hall of Fame. That being said, even if the WWE themselves are OK with it, it's still a big hurdle to get Mattel to sign off on her. They're far more concerned with public perception than Jakks seemed to be. They're one of the biggest toy manufacturers in the world, they have a lot more to lose in their mind by misjudging the Florida Moms of the world.
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Post by kiloinnorcal on Jan 20, 2017 23:57:39 GMT -5
Agreed, but Mattel knows boys don't buy girl "dolls."
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Post by WreckerJack on Jan 21, 2017 0:18:54 GMT -5
Chyna was a hardcore porn star so Mattel may not make her for a while Stone Cold had a domestic case against him for hitting Debra X-pac was in a porn too Vince made people kiss his ass Razor Ramon was a huge alcoholic that had a "ESPN 30for30" piece about it Shawn Michaels did Playgirl Brock Lesner tested positive for steroids Randy Orton tested positive for steroids Big Show was arrested for a bar fight These wrestlers got figures! Listen Mattel and everyone, people have a past. It shouldnt all be held against them. Lets get more female wrestlers that were named in this thread, including Chyna. Rollins did softcore gay porn and he has tons of merch. I know with a lot of 'boys' lines there are usually less female figures per case. I know that the male wrestlers are more popular so that is what they try to stick to. Kids buy a lot of Cena's so that is why there is more of him per case than the women. Besides a few, I mostly collect the guys. If more people bought the womens figures mattel would put more on the shelf. Part of it is what sells, but I am sure sexism has something to do with Chyna not getting a figure when a lot of male wrestlers have done unsavory things and got figures. It's unfair to the fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 0:28:03 GMT -5
Agreed, but Mattel knows boys don't buy girl "dolls." Not trying to step on toes or anything, but to me that is a poor excuse (on Mattels part of course). If that really is the case then thats not right IMO. Its encouraging gender norms.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 0:30:21 GMT -5
Chyna wasn't made because of her well-publicized scandal with Triple H and Steph. The porn didn't help either. Nor did her constant bashing of all parties, Vince, and WWE in general.
I hate to say it, but her dying is probably what it took for them to even take it into consideration to induct her in the HOF, let alone make a figure. And even then, the chances are still up in the air.
All that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if she got a figure. Bill was adamant about us never getting Scott Hall, and we got him. Honestly, I think the ONLY person that there is absolutely no chance of getting is Chris Benoit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 0:32:09 GMT -5
you know when you watch too much inauguration coverage then read a thread title like this and your heart skips a beat... Hahahah. Sorry. That definitely was not my intention.
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Post by TheLastDude on Jan 21, 2017 0:43:20 GMT -5
Agreed, but Mattel knows boys don't buy girl "dolls." Not trying to step on toes or anything, but to me that is a poor excuse (on Mattels part of course). If that really is the case then thats not right IMO. Agreed, but it's going to be difficult to change that viewpoint. It's a long held belief by those in the toy industry. Hell, that goes back to the 80's when April O'Neil was shortpacked in the TMNT line even though she was a major character that was in almost every episode of the show. I guess in some cases, it does have its merit though. SOME female figures don't sell as well. I can point to all the Mockingbird, Sharon Carter, Beetle, and Misty Knight figures that could fill a small swimming pool that are currently clogging the Marvel Legends pegs at my local TRU. Then there's the Jakks Jacqueline pegwarmer fiasco, and the original Mattel Mickie James that had to be clearanced out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 0:54:39 GMT -5
Not trying to step on toes or anything, but to me that is a poor excuse (on Mattels part of course). If that really is the case then thats not right IMO. Agreed, but it's going to be difficult to change that viewpoint. It's a long held belief by those in the toy industry. Hell, that goes back to the 80's when April O'Neil was shortpacked in the TMNT line even though she was a major character that was in almost every episode of the show. I guess in some cases, it does have its merit though. SOME female figures don't sell as well. I can point to all the Mockingbird, Sharon Carter, Beetle, and Misty Knight figures that could fill a small swimming pool that are currently clogging the Marvel Legends pegs at my local TRU. Then there's the Jakks Jacqueline pegwarmer fiasco, and the original Mattel Mickie James that had to be clearanced out. You are right about everything. I definitely agree that its a difficult viewpoint to change. I also do notice that a lot of female figures shelf sit, though I feel its just because of poor character choices (in the case of the Legends figures). Marvel Legends figures tend to produce characters that no one really cares much about. Id like to mention that we could probably fill a lake with your stores inventory & my stores inventory of Beetle, Misty Knight, Sharon, & Mockingbird. Its actually really sad how much stock of those they have. Im surprised they arnt being clearanced at this point.
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Post by kiloinnorcal on Jan 21, 2017 1:09:47 GMT -5
Agreed, but it's going to be difficult to change that viewpoint. It's a long held belief by those in the toy industry. Hell, that goes back to the 80's when April O'Neil was shortpacked in the TMNT line even though she was a major character that was in almost every episode of the show. I guess in some cases, it does have its merit though. SOME female figures don't sell as well. I can point to all the Mockingbird, Sharon Carter, Beetle, and Misty Knight figures that could fill a small swimming pool that are currently clogging the Marvel Legends pegs at my local TRU. Then there's the Jakks Jacqueline pegwarmer fiasco, and the original Mattel Mickie James that had to be clearanced out. You are right about everything. I definitely agree that its a difficult viewpoint to change. I also do notice that a lot of female figures shelf sit, though I feel its just because of poor character choices (in the case of the Legends figures). Marvel Legends figures tend to produce characters that no one really cares much about. Id like to mention that we could probably fill a lake with your stores inventory & my stores inventory of Beetle, Misty Knight, Sharon, & Mockingbird. Its actually really sad how much stock of those they have. Im surprised they arnt being clearanced at this point. As a Marvel Legends collector as well, yes this baffles me. They have to know obscure ugly characters like Beetle and poor non iconic attire choices will warm hard and then to not have made popular females characters like She-Hulk by now is just wow.. But it appears all toy companies think like this.
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Post by WreckerJack on Jan 21, 2017 2:47:26 GMT -5
I guess in some cases, it does have its merit though. SOME female figures don't sell as well. I can point to all the Mockingbird, Sharon Carter, Beetle, and Misty Knight figures that could fill a small swimming pool that are currently clogging the Marvel Legends pegs at my local TRU. Then there's the Jakks Jacqueline pegwarmer fiasco, and the original Mattel Mickie James that had to be clearanced out. I think that also has to do with the fact that in a lot of series the girls don't do much of the action. I used to collect DBZ action figures and there were hardly ever figures of Bulma or Chichi. Even though they are vital to the story they did not fight often. I think people want toys to recreate action scenes for the most part. (I never watched much of TMNT or any of the other series you mentioned so I can't comment on them specifically.) Aside from Stephanie and Renee Young I think most every female on the roster does wrestle so that isn't an issue. Plus I think a lot of people who build arenas and do scenes enjoy the figures that help fill out the background. Referees, announcers, and interviewers. Now that I think about it those figures are also sold less frequently too. But maybe I am just rambling.
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Post by hellojoeivers on Jan 21, 2017 3:04:17 GMT -5
I would welcome more ladies but unfortunately I don't think they're big sellers by and large, which is why they're less frequent. Which is a shame
That said I think we've seen an improvement in 2016, I feel like there was more ladies and they've shifted more units (Bex, Charlotte, Bayley and Sasha definitely sold better than Kaitlyn, the red Tamina and the last Vickie Guerrero anyway)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 4:26:11 GMT -5
Not trying to step on toes or anything, but to me that is a poor excuse (on Mattels part of course). If that really is the case then thats not right IMO. Agreed, but it's going to be difficult to change that viewpoint. It's a long held belief by those in the toy industry. Hell, that goes back to the 80's when April O'Neil was shortpacked in the TMNT line even though she was a major character that was in almost every episode of the show. I guess in some cases, it does have its merit though. SOME female figures don't sell as well. I can point to all the Mockingbird, Sharon Carter, Beetle, and Misty Knight figures that could fill a small swimming pool that are currently clogging the Marvel Legends pegs at my local TRU. Then there's the Jakks Jacqueline pegwarmer fiasco, and the original Mattel Mickie James that had to be clearanced out. I honestly can't think of a single female figure from any line from any company that was a huge seller. I mean don't get me wrong, I have a lot of figures in my collection that are female. Paige is my all time favorite diva, so I get pretty much any figure of hers. But it is kind of a shame. Hell, everyone making Star Wars figures forget or chose not to make Rey (who was actually my favorite character in the movie along with Snoke). JJ Abrams had to make a statement acknowledging the backlash about it to get them to change course.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 5:19:32 GMT -5
Agreed, but it's going to be difficult to change that viewpoint. It's a long held belief by those in the toy industry. Hell, that goes back to the 80's when April O'Neil was shortpacked in the TMNT line even though she was a major character that was in almost every episode of the show. I guess in some cases, it does have its merit though. SOME female figures don't sell as well. I can point to all the Mockingbird, Sharon Carter, Beetle, and Misty Knight figures that could fill a small swimming pool that are currently clogging the Marvel Legends pegs at my local TRU. Then there's the Jakks Jacqueline pegwarmer fiasco, and the original Mattel Mickie James that had to be clearanced out. I honestly can't think of a single female figure from any line from any company that was a huge seller. I mean don't get me wrong, I have a lot of figures in my collection that are female. Paige is my all time favorite diva, so I get pretty much any figure of hers. But it is kind of a shame. Hell, everyone making Star Wars figures forget or chose not to make Rey (who was actually my favorite character in the movie along with Snoke). JJ Abrams had to make a statement acknowledging the backlash about it to get them to change course. I believe your speaking about the "HTF Rey" incident? I dont ever remember anything about backlash from no figure of her. I do remember they got backlash for the shortage of Rey figures though. That is why Rey has been popping up more in some stores, as well as a crap ton of Jyn Erso figures. In my personal experience, some female figures fly off the shelf much faster than male figures. That could very well be due to the fact they have a lower distribution number than male figures though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 5:22:36 GMT -5
I honestly can't think of a single female figure from any line from any company that was a huge seller. I mean don't get me wrong, I have a lot of figures in my collection that are female. Paige is my all time favorite diva, so I get pretty much any figure of hers. But it is kind of a shame. Hell, everyone making Star Wars figures forget or chose not to make Rey (who was actually my favorite character in the movie along with Snoke). JJ Abrams had to make a statement acknowledging the backlash about it to get them to change course. I believe your speaking about the "HTF Rey" incident? I dont ever remember anything about backlash from no figure of her. I do remember they got backlash for the shortage of Rey figures though. That is why Rey has been popping up more in some stores, as well as a crap ton of Jyn Erso figures. In my personal experience, some female figures fly off the shelf much faster than male figures. That could very well be due to the fact they have a lower distribution number than male figures though. I just remember there was a time where there was like no Rey figure at all in the opening waves from different toy companies. It was really strange that the main character had little to no representation in the toy lines. And yeah I agree that any "popular" female figure is ostensibly so due to a limited production run.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 5:35:44 GMT -5
I believe your speaking about the "HTF Rey" incident? I dont ever remember anything about backlash from no figure of her. I do remember they got backlash for the shortage of Rey figures though. That is why Rey has been popping up more in some stores, as well as a crap ton of Jyn Erso figures. In my personal experience, some female figures fly off the shelf much faster than male figures. That could very well be due to the fact they have a lower distribution number than male figures though. I just remember there was a time where there was like no Rey figure at all in the opening waves from different toy companies. It was really strange that the main character had little to no representation in the toy lines. And yeah I agree that any "popular" female figure is ostensibly so due to a limited production run. She was part of the debut waves, just extremely hard to find. I think I also saw her in lego sets if I remember correctly. Black Widow forsure had backlash for getting no merchandise while the male members of Avengers all got merch. I even remember someone needing to reassure fans that they are making an effort to release Black Widow merch.
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Post by PJ on Jan 21, 2017 6:11:38 GMT -5
Rey was hard to find? Which line? Because the 6" black series she was all over the place around here.
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