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Post by ClashOfStyles on Jan 27, 2017 23:14:00 GMT -5
They need to stop building around guys that are 35+ and start working on building up more homegrown talent. They need guys that will be with the company putting on great matches for years and years to come, not guys who are pushing 40, no matter how great they are.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 28, 2017 1:42:51 GMT -5
I really don't think NXT is THAT bad at the moment.
Take the Takeover show come tomorrow night. Its a pretty solid card compared to some of the other recent Takeover shows.
Plus Bobby Roode can easily carry NXT as a heel champion for a year and help build new face stars along the way, once Roode wins the belt that is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 10:36:45 GMT -5
Have the days of Internet fans saying NXT is superior to the main roster since passed?
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Jan 28, 2017 10:55:57 GMT -5
the problem is that anyone who gets good in NXT the fans are bitching, "wtf when are they gonna call up _____________" then when those guys get called up everyone's bitching "damn, NXT sucks now, there's like nobody" and then there's half the guys who have been called up and not used in the slightest ( Breeze is a perfect example of this) and now everyone bitches "pssh, he should just go back to NXT where he was good" so literally, there's no solution to this problem. so might as well keep going. to be honest I really think some guys should get sent back to NXT and throw a few cruisers in there as well. Vaudevillans would do amazing back in front of smaller crowds where their gimmick was incredible. Send Sin Cara down there to help out with the Latin scene. Maybe Swagger should go down there too, and be a dominant heel with a manager or something. There are a lot of talents floating around doing absolutely NOTHING on the main shows. At least with NXT they will get better crowd reactions. I was actually gonna make a thread on him earlier. It's a shame what they did to Breeze, his stuff with Fandango I just find awful and boring. They really need to split them up and have Breeze become a contender for the title because very soon Smackdown is going to be running out of contenders. Breeze can easily be in the CWC. He has the talent and they need more heels.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Jan 28, 2017 11:00:15 GMT -5
The woman of NXT got hit the hardest. They have Asuka and I thought they would have Mickie James (now in Smackdown). There is no woman there that is on the same level or a challenge as the 4 horsewoman. Just a couple of pretty faces and nice bodies that can entertain, ok.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Jan 28, 2017 11:08:11 GMT -5
My biggest problem with WWE is that they promote the hell out of vervains and Indy guys more than the brand (wrestler) they built themselves in the NXT.
Ascension got trashed off the bat. Never recovered after DX, NWO, APA Breeze wasn't even given much of a chance. They buried him quick Apollo got a little push but nowhere Kalisto should be built up as the next Rey, but with the CWC that's not happening Corbin is now just being important aside from just winning the Andre the Giant tournament. Zayn.....WOW......This has me the most surprised. What a huge mistake how they use him. He could be the big underdog WWE has been missing since losing Daniel Bryan.
Send some back to NXT or CWC and rebuilt them back up as bad ass wrestlers or start something new with them.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 28, 2017 16:42:20 GMT -5
The woman of NXT got hit the hardest. They have Asuka and I thought they would have Mickie James (now in Smackdown). There is no woman there that is on the same level or a challenge as the 4 horsewoman. Just a couple of pretty faces and nice bodies that can entertain, ok. I prefer Liv Morgan, Billie Kay and Peyton Royce over any of the 4 Horsewomen. I think that those 3 NXT girls are super beautiful and look amazing over all. So I am okay with them.
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Post by Mattie! on Jan 28, 2017 17:05:09 GMT -5
I like NXT not as into it as I used to be. I am liking where they are going with Sanity but there are some people who are just doing nothing for example Oney Lorcan & Andrade 'Cien' Almas two extremely talented wrestlers however they do not have a lot of personality to them in my opinion
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Post by Yayo on Jan 29, 2017 1:01:52 GMT -5
Owens and Balor are two examples of why guys of their status on the Indies should go to NXT first; both of them were HUGE stars when they debuted on the main roster. Had they not been in NXT first, there's a good chance they could have been lost in the shuffle like plenty of super talented guys before them. Both men respectively beat the top superstars of the WWE in their debut match on the main roster, and that made them. They wouldn't be nearly as special if they just came in and feuded with R-Truth or someone else for a couple months.
When Joe and Nakamura debut on the main roster, there will now be a built in fanbase for both, same with Roode. They were names to the hardcore fans before, but now the more casual audience see them as people who can compete with the WWE's elite stars.
Some could argue that AJ proves this idea wrong, but honestly, AJ was by far the most well known guy to have never signed with the WWE before last year (well, other than Sting). He didn't need NXT to help establish him in even casual wrestling fans' eyes.
As for NXT, I think they need to balance all these Indy guys who are going to get called up first along with their homegrown talent in the main event scene to keep things fresh.. The only problem is, they haven't really had a homegrown talent to tangle with the main eventers since Tyler Breeze. Their best shot at getting someone to that level again is Tye Dillinger.. and he'll probably be called up before he gets close. Which I think is a mistake, as he's bound to get lost in the shuffle on the main roster, but if he were to actually accomplish something other than some unexpected popularity (and almost everyone is popular in NXT) and a losing streak, he could be a lot more when he is called up.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jan 29, 2017 3:44:26 GMT -5
WWE's current thing of signing indy guys close to 40 is going to bite them in the ass in a few years.
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Post by SmithyPlayz on Jan 29, 2017 5:35:04 GMT -5
They have KO and Tommy End coming but it's not enough. They need to start pushing guys like Tino Sabbatelli and guys that are home grown and make them main stars.
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Post by The King Of Crisps on Jan 29, 2017 15:37:55 GMT -5
They should let guys come back down from the main event and just do a story with an NXT guy. Breeze with Dillenger or Ascension with the Authors.
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Post by r44gz96 on Jan 29, 2017 15:46:39 GMT -5
I agree and don't agree with what he's saying. However I do think NXT Takeover showed that it can be good even without full star power. It would help though if they brought in some younger talent and got them involved
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 16:02:43 GMT -5
Honestly, I feel that NXT as a whole has really dipped in quality the past year and a half, maybe even two years. If I can indulge you for a few minutes, I'd like to speak on this matter, because I see a lot of praise for NXT, despite the fact that I think it has a slew of problems, problems that go ignored by the fans of the brand for one reason or another, this will contains some spoilers for not just Takeover last night, but for the brand in general. So, without any more introduction, I offer you my top five reasons that I think NXT isn't as good as many claim - There is no midcard title for talent to fight over - Now, this is debatable, because the arguments against having a secondary title for the singles roster is that they don't have enough time for one and that they do okay without it. However, the flip side is that, without a title to fight over, a lot of feuds feel similar to each other, lots of times feeling like they are feuding because one doesn't like the other and they drag it out to a match at a Takeover event. Now okay, maybe that has nothing to do with the title, but I feel that with a title, we could at least have something for the rest of the guys to fight over, especially those like Tye, Samson, Jose, and others that won't crack the main event scene, because the main event scene is full of guys the internet likes, guys with huge online followings from the indies or New Japan or whatever, leaving those without that, little chance to move forward. But, more on that later.
- The divisions are weak - Currently, aside from the women's division, which has a nice pool of challengers, the tag and main event scene feel lacking. Especially after last night. I mean, with two new champions crowned, it removes both Nakamura and DIY from the picture, because when you think about it, your career path in NXT is pretty much this; you debut, you get built up and pushed, you then win the title of your respective division, you drop it, and then finally you put some people over on your way out to the main roster. Now, that doesn't always play out to a T like that, but there is a general course of actions, aside from a few people, there really isn't much place for winning the title twice. That leaves TM61 and Sanity to be viable challengers, until a new team is built up. Not a deep pool, right? Same with the main event, Nakamura is a two time champ(shouldn't be like that, the second title win was a pointless change, but people will defend that I bet), so who's left? Tye? Young? Guys like Andrade, Strong, Jose, and others are being focused on, some more than others, but ultimately, they aren't top talent just yet.
- The brand is pretty predictable - Now this might get some heat, but I think that a lot of the times, the matches and the feuds have an obvious outcome. This goes hand in hand with the next point, but when I watch NXT, aside from maybe some of the more high profile Takeover matches, you can tell who's gonna win most matches, especially on the weekly show, where it has a lot of squash matches or matches where it's someone with an obvious push against someone lower on the card. I mean, if you see Bobby Roode vs No Way Jose or Ember Moon vs Peyton Royce, you can tell who is gonna win going in. However, Takeover last night did surprise me a bit, but it kinda ties in with the earlier points that the two title changes caught me off guard, but weakened the divisions.
- The weekly show is bland - Another point that might get me crucified, but honestly, I hate that I've seen for like at least a year now that "one hour of NXT is better than a month of the main roster" Are we watching the same show? Sure, we get some alright matches here and there, but it feels like mostly, the show has a few squash matches to put over the more established members of the roster and if we get a "star vs star" main event, much like I just said above, even if the match is good, you can often times tell who's gonna win, because of their card placement. As well as, the feuds aren't terrible, but nothing is booked like gripping, much see wrestling. They seem like run of the mill feuds, like I stated earlier. Yet somehow, this is the best show under the WWE umbrella?
- A developmental brand that develops nobody - Finally, the last point and my biggest one. NXT, no matter what anyone wants to say, is a developmental brand and while it has become more like a third brand, with tours and big shows, ultimately, the goal is to build up stars for the main roster. The problem is, nobody is really getting built up. The talent that gets pushes for the most part, are people with established backgrounds, that come in from EVOLVE or ROH or whatever big fed outside the WWE, that the NXT diehards know and love, leaving guys like Jose, Samson, Blake, and others who don't have that background to perish. Even if they try to build up Elias Samson, he ultimately hits that road block of "not being good enough" to hang with Samoa Joe or Eric Young or whatever, jobs out to them, and falls back down the card. Then, when guys get called up to the main roster, instead of using the openings to push those guys and built up new stars, they just fill the holes with new indy guys, Hero is back, Tommy End is coming, Roderick Strong is there, and others. These guys can't get any wins over these big names to further their careers or be built as equals, like how many times has Tye Dillinger fallen to guys like Young or Roode or others of that caliber? It's not just one guy, it's all these up and comers and since they can't be built like stars and they take the focus off them for the next crop of indy talent coming in, they never get over. Heck, even if they are over, they still lose. Go back to Brooklyn, why couldn't Jose get a roll up win over Austin Aries? Because he's not good enough? Because he's not as over? When has that stopped people from getting wins in wrestling? Besides, if that's the case, how are they supposed to get over or get better if they get nothing but squash matches and can't be built up as legit guys?
And there's other problems, they've spoiled the fans too much with the indy star dream matches and the four Horsewomen, that it feels like a step down if Asuka drops the belt to someone like Liv Morgan or we have guys like Wesley Blake or Elias Samson as our main event picture. I just think the product is too formulaic and boring for the most part and even the Takeover events aren't that good, because the whole idea heading into it is that "oh my god, the main event will be a five star match" and that's it. No real storylines or anything to hook me in, just "Nakamura and Joe in the main event?!? I'm creaming my pants!!" Plus, the fans of the brand seem to defend it to the death, even if it means applauding or defending something that they'd turn around and complain about if they did it on the main roster.
Sorry for the length, but this was a topic that I've sat on for a while and I just had to speak on it and this felt like the perfect place. So thank you for that.
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Post by The King Of Crisps on Jan 29, 2017 16:37:55 GMT -5
but how can you say the Womens division has a nice pool of challengers? Ember Moon is the last challenger who has a shot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 16:45:09 GMT -5
but how can you say the Womens division has a nice pool of challengers? Ember Moon is the last challenger who has a shot. In what way? I'd say Cross has a chance and they could build a singles match between the two. Also, Royce and Kay could be challengers, as they have been built up as somewhat of a threat. Morgan is the only one with no chance, but she's at least in the background. So, that's 4 challengers that are booked as potential challengers.
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Post by Last Trent Barreta Fan on Jan 29, 2017 17:10:23 GMT -5
I agree. I've been on and off with wrestling since last year and the only thing keeping me watching NXT is Peyton Royce because I have a crush on her, Sanity is fun and #DIY because I met Ciampa and am excited for his career.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Jan 30, 2017 11:35:56 GMT -5
They should let guys come back down from the main event and just do a story with an NXT guy. Breeze with Dillenger or Ascension with the Authors. That would def help them a lot.
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