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Post by #DI-WHY? on Feb 13, 2017 15:02:23 GMT -5
So this fued has been building for months, and it has had the longest builds in event memory. Randy Orton vs Bray Wyatt at first glance seems like a boring fued between an old prospect in Orton and a ruined prospect in Wyatt. But after some hard thinking, I think this fued has the potential to be a historic fued, and one certainly worth the main event of mania. I mean think about all the assets this fued had used. WWE had used a rivalry with Kane, a mini-fued with Slater and Rhyno, The SDL Tag Titles, The Royal Rumble, The implosion of the Wyatt Family, a rivalry with Luke Harper, The Elimination Chamber, and now the WWE title to tell this story. That makes it so much more important than a match that randomly happens at a minor PPV like Backlash. I think the fact that this story has been building for so long, and still has a major build ahead of it, and has been made so important in the main scheme of things, it will be an amazing match at mania.
I also think this fued can be the one to revitalize Bray Wyatt, if done properly. If Bray goes over at the main event of Mania for the WWE championship, he cements himself as a top guy, it undoes tons of damage done by the last two years.
So yeah, I think this rivalry will be great, and am really excited to see how it unfolds at Mania.
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Post by Sizzle on Feb 13, 2017 15:09:40 GMT -5
Best story/rivalry/feud of 2016/2017. It has been executed perfectly. They got so many little details correct. When it culminates with Wyatt winning a Main Event at Wrestlemania, I will be pleased.
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Post by J12 on Feb 13, 2017 15:18:07 GMT -5
It's been a well told and semi-interesting mid-card feud.
And that's the problem. It's now being thrust into the title picture at Wrestlemania, of all places. Randy Orton is not a compelling character, and hasn't been for a very long time. Bray Wyatt has been absolutely destroyed for the last two plus years and just finally started to get some rejuvenation in November and we're now supposed to take him seriously as a credible champion.
Here you have the first intricate feud WWE has put together in a very long time being held back by the fact that WWE has been terrible at telling stories for the last several years. The intrigue just isn't there with the Wyatt Family anymore, and people never bought that Randy Orton was actually part of it. Now he sort of is, but the breakup has to happen, and I think a lot of people are just sitting around saying, "yeah, well, he was never really with Bray in the first place."
Couple that with the fact that their match at No Mercy was a dud, and I just can't get excited about this being Smackdown's main event. It seemed like a perfectly logical undercard feud for Mania, but now it's holding the WWE title hostage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 15:21:48 GMT -5
I'm ready for Randy Orton to recapture the WWE Championship to become a 13 time champion!
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 13, 2017 15:31:19 GMT -5
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Feb 13, 2017 15:34:41 GMT -5
I certainly find them both a lot more interesting when they're involved with each other compared to when they're not. Still don't really buy it as a big WrestleMania match, but I'm intrigued.
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Post by T R W on Feb 13, 2017 15:41:20 GMT -5
I certainly find them both a lot more interesting when they're involved with each other compared to when they're not. Still don't really buy it as a big WrestleMania match, but I'm intrigued. I feel pretty much the same. Since joining the Wyatt's Randy has been more motivated than usual, so that is nice. But Bray getting the title is long overdue. The story has been well done, even if it was all pretty obvious where it was going. But no way this closes WM. Odds are it won't even go on next to last. |
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Post by Dan on Feb 13, 2017 15:48:39 GMT -5
It's been a well told and semi-interesting mid-card feud. And that's the problem. It's now being thrust into the title picture at Wrestlemania, of all places. Randy Orton is not a compelling character, and hasn't been for a very long time. Bray Wyatt has been absolutely destroyed for the last two plus years and just finally started to get some rejuvenation in November and we're now supposed to take him seriously as a credible champion. Here you have the first intricate feud WWE has put together in a very long time being held back by the fact that WWE has been terrible at telling stories for the last several years. The intrigue just isn't there with the Wyatt Family anymore, and people never bought that Randy Orton was actually part of it. Now he sort of is, but the breakup has to happen, and I think a lot of people are just sitting around saying, "yeah, well, he was never really with Bray in the first place." Couple that with the fact that their match at No Mercy was a dud, and I just can't get excited about this being Smackdown's main event. It seemed like a perfectly logical undercard feud for Mania, but now it's holding the WWE title hostage. This is pretty much the problem. At least if Wyatt had won the Rumble then there would at least be a degree of intrigue somewhat with him finally getting the big payoff at Wrestlemania and winning the Title for the first ever time. Now that he's already had his crowning moment, there is absolutely no need for this feud to continue on until Wrestlemania as nobody cares for another Orton chase, and the confusing thing to it all is that there was absolutely nothing stopping the current scenario from happening the other way around. The trouble is, it also feels like it was never the plan all along for it to be the WWE Championship feud, and it's unnatural the way they have had a solid build with AJ as Champion all year long only for them to just toss the Belt around a few times at the last minute. Having said all of this, the Daniel Bryan segment on Talking Smack (below) immediately after Elimination Chamber almost seemed to hint too much that Wyatt vs Orton still isn't set in stone, which does lead me to think this could end up a Wyatt Family Triple Threat when it's all said and done. Bryan definitely sounded like he dropped a little too much here. |
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Post by sitruC on Feb 13, 2017 15:54:37 GMT -5
I don't get why people think Bray is failed due to losing to Cena years ago. He's still young and got a great gimmick.
People still like him and he's currently Champion so losing to Cena didn't do that much to him.
Sure Cena losing to him could've been the making of him, but so can this.
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Post by Rob on Feb 13, 2017 16:01:16 GMT -5
I have zero interest in this. It was a midcard storyline to give Orton something to do after getting murdered by Lesnar. Nothing more nothing less. Bray Wyatt is a failed character who has been kicked down time after time again over the last 2-3 years. WHY WHY WHY would anyone be interested in this? This feud shouldve been a midcard feud at Mania. Not a WWE title feud. Styles/Cena shouldve went into WM as the title match. It would have been FAR FAR better than ANYTHING Orton/Wyatt will bring to the table.
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Post by J12 on Feb 13, 2017 16:02:01 GMT -5
I don't get why people think Bray is failed due to losing to Cena years ago. He's still young and got a great gimmick. People still like him and he's currently Champion so losing to Cena didn't do that much to him. Sure Cena losing to him could've been the making of him, but so can this. Losing to Cena was just the start of it. He's lost virtually every feud he's been a part of since losing to Cena, and most of them have been largely indistinguishable from one another. Bray talks some gibberish and then can't back it up. He's been the heel gatekeeper for virtually every babyface the company has wanted to put over for the last two years. He stopped being menacing and became just another guy who fell victim to WWE's reluctance to create strong heels. They were just starting to get him back on track. |
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Post by tiny04 on Feb 13, 2017 16:11:41 GMT -5
It's the most interested I've been in Orton and Wyatt in years. This story has elevated Wyatt so much and I believe the only ending is Wyatt standing tall at WM, solidifying him as a true main eventer on SD. One of the best long term stories in a long time. I expect a great match at WM.
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Post by J12 on Feb 13, 2017 16:20:31 GMT -5
I still think that this match getting the title distinction is largely a "make-good" to Randy for getting his head bashed in at Summerslam. If WWE pissed Orton off enough, he'd have a case and they're likely aware of that. That's also why I suspect this is a pretty cut and dry story with Bray being nothing more than a means to an end - getting the title on Randy. I'm surprised people are so adamant that Bray is going to leave Mania with the title. While that undoubtedly seems like the right call, and the only call, I don't think it's going to happen.
The only upside is that it likely leads to a Styles/Orton program, which could give Randy the best work of his career. That probably should have been the Mania match if they were hell bent on getting Orton in the title picture.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Feb 13, 2017 16:25:27 GMT -5
Meh. Should have been done three years ago. Even Wyatt knows he isn't going to be champion for long. They'll give him the Mysterio treatment and job him out till Mania. There is no upside in having Wyatt as a world champion now. All the awesome things he's already done and it meant nothing.
I don't see him doing anything worthwhile besides cutting a promo here and there and blah blah blah. I would like to see them surprise me and make me actually care.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Feb 13, 2017 16:34:42 GMT -5
So much over exaggerating on this thread. Wyatt lost to Cena so what?, does that mean that his career should be finished and not worthy of a world title run? When it comes to Wyatt people like to ignore the awesome victories he has had and focus on the feuds that he has lost. Do you remember Mick Foley? The guy who rarely won a feud and had short title run. That didn't stop him from becoming one of the greatest of all time. Hold on wait, why am I saying all this?, Wyatt has won the title so it's only natural for fans to turn on him.  |
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Post by hbkowns on Feb 13, 2017 16:40:16 GMT -5
While I am happy for Wyatt, he barely had any momentum going into the chamber match. He hasn't had any momentum for the past 2 years.
It's completely random that this match is for the wwe title because it doesn't need it. I personally think it should have been AJ vs Cena for the title one last time.
But booking wise, if Wyatt doesn't beat Randy to retain, this whole thing was just a stupid waste of time.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Feb 13, 2017 16:47:24 GMT -5
While I am happy for Wyatt, he barely had any momentum going into the chamber match. He hasn't had any momentum for the past 2 years. It's completely random that this match is for the wwe title because it doesn't need it. I personally think it should have been AJ vs Cena for the title one last time. But booking wise, if Wyatt doesn't beat Randy to retain, this whole thing was just a stupid waste of time. Over the last few years Orton has been a snooze fest and isn't even a rating draw so he's a bit too long in the tooth to put the strap on. Guys like Cena, Goldberg, Taker ect are different because they can sell out arenas and provide PPV buys but Orton just doesn't hold such drawing power. Business wise Mania needs to end with Wyatt holding the belt high because that will cement him as a top, future star but if Orton wins then no one will benefit. |
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Post by tiny04 on Feb 13, 2017 16:49:42 GMT -5
One thing I don't understand is people saying this match doesn't need the title. It absolutely does.
Orton has been undercover in the Wyatt Family from day 1, trying to destroy from within, waiting for his moment to turn on Bray. If Orton doesn't win the Rumble and Wyatt doesn't win the title, what's Randy's motivation for turning? Yeah he'll finally get Bray 1-on-1 at WM, but even if he wins, what has he accomplished? Absolutely nothing.
It's all fell into place perfectly for Orton. He's won the Rumble, Wyatt's won the title. And now Randy will strike. He's finally got Bray where he wants him. Bray is the champion, but he's not got Harper anymore and he's all alone. It's all worked out brilliantly for Randy.
IMO the goal of this story the whole time has always been to solidify Bray Wyatt as a main eventer. And that's what will happen when he beats Orton clean at WM.
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Post by J12 on Feb 13, 2017 16:51:53 GMT -5
So much over exaggerating on this thread. Wyatt lost to Cena so what?, does that mean that his career should be finished and not worthy of a world title run? When it comes to Wyatt people like to ignore the awesome victories he has had and focus on the feuds that he has lost. Do you remember Mick Foley? The guy who rarely won a feud and had short title run. That didn't stop him from becoming one of the greatest of all time. Hold on wait, why am I saying all this?, Wyatt has won the title so it's only natural for fans to turn on him. What "awesome victories"? Aside from the recent project of rebuilding him (Survivor Series through now), he's lost basically all of his feuds, and his wins over guys like Cena and Reigns were just used as a means to extend the feud an extra month so that he could lose again and close out the program. Let's not forget, just two months before Bray and Randy won the Survivor Series match, Bray lost cleanly to Kane in an unadvertised Pay-Per-View match. Kane. WWE thought so little of Wyatt at the time that they sacrificed him to the guy who has barely been on TV since and hasn't been viewed as a credible threat for years. I haven't seen anyone insinuate that Wyatt's plight exists exclusively because of the Cena feud. That was just the jumping off point. |
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Post by tiny04 on Feb 13, 2017 16:57:02 GMT -5
So much over exaggerating on this thread. Wyatt lost to Cena so what?, does that mean that his career should be finished and not worthy of a world title run? When it comes to Wyatt people like to ignore the awesome victories he has had and focus on the feuds that he has lost. Do you remember Mick Foley? The guy who rarely won a feud and had short title run. That didn't stop him from becoming one of the greatest of all time. Hold on wait, why am I saying all this?, Wyatt has won the title so it's only natural for fans to turn on him. What "awesome victories"? Aside from the recent project of rebuilding him (Survivor Series through now), he's lost basically all of his feuds, and his wins over guys like Cena and Reigns were just used as a means to extend the feud an extra month so that he could lose again and close out the program. Let's not forget, just two months before Bray and Randy won the Survivor Series match, Bray lost cleanly to Kane in an unadvertised Pay-Per-View match. Kane. WWE thought so little of Wyatt at the time that they sacrificed him to the guy who has barely been on TV since and hasn't been viewed as a credible threat for years. I haven't seen anyone insinuate that Wyatt's plight exists exclusively because of the Cena feud. That was just the jumping off point. Pretty sure Orton ran in and gave him an RKO. |
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