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Post by J12 on Feb 13, 2017 16:59:24 GMT -5
What "awesome victories"? Aside from the recent project of rebuilding him (Survivor Series through now), he's lost basically all of his feuds, and his wins over guys like Cena and Reigns were just used as a means to extend the feud an extra month so that he could lose again and close out the program. Let's not forget, just two months before Bray and Randy won the Survivor Series match, Bray lost cleanly to Kane in an unadvertised Pay-Per-View match. Kane. WWE thought so little of Wyatt at the time that they sacrificed him to the guy who has barely been on TV since and hasn't been viewed as a credible threat for years. I haven't seen anyone insinuate that Wyatt's plight exists exclusively because of the Cena feud. That was just the jumping off point. Pretty sure Orton ran in and gave him an RKO. You're probably right, but the point still stands. A guy you're planning to make a credible heel champion in the not-too-distant future shouldn't be losing to Kane by any means. No one gains anything for it, and Wyatt comes out looking like a dope, which has, unfortunately, been the story of most of his career.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Feb 13, 2017 17:21:05 GMT -5
So much over exaggerating on this thread. Wyatt lost to Cena so what?, does that mean that his career should be finished and not worthy of a world title run? When it comes to Wyatt people like to ignore the awesome victories he has had and focus on the feuds that he has lost. Do you remember Mick Foley? The guy who rarely won a feud and had short title run. That didn't stop him from becoming one of the greatest of all time. Hold on wait, why am I saying all this?, Wyatt has won the title so it's only natural for fans to turn on him. What "awesome victories"? Aside from the recent project of rebuilding him (Survivor Series through now), he's lost basically all of his feuds, and his wins over guys like Cena and Reigns were just used as a means to extend the feud an extra month so that he could lose again and close out the program. Let's not forget, just two months before Bray and Randy won the Survivor Series match, Bray lost cleanly to Kane in an unadvertised Pay-Per-View match. Kane. WWE thought so little of Wyatt at the time that they sacrificed him to the guy who has barely been on TV since and hasn't been viewed as a credible threat for years. I haven't seen anyone insinuate that Wyatt's plight exists exclusively because of the Cena feud. That was just the jumping off point. Kane in his debut match. Daniel Bryan The Shield Chris Jericho ECW Randy Orton Last years Survivor Series EC last night. Wyatt has had lots of victories over big stars and lets not forget RR 2015. He dominated a huge portion of that match and even eliminated Daniel Bryan so he's far from the weak guy you paint him as. Also do victories in a scripted WWE show really matter? WWE's main target are kids and they want to see their heroes beat a scary intimidating monster who makes lots of threats and provides many beat downs. Another thing look at Kevin Owens. He has lost more credibility in 6 months than Wyatt has in 3 years so if I was Wyatt I would be thankful of the position that he's currently in.
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Post by J12 on Feb 13, 2017 17:37:03 GMT -5
What "awesome victories"? Aside from the recent project of rebuilding him (Survivor Series through now), he's lost basically all of his feuds, and his wins over guys like Cena and Reigns were just used as a means to extend the feud an extra month so that he could lose again and close out the program. Let's not forget, just two months before Bray and Randy won the Survivor Series match, Bray lost cleanly to Kane in an unadvertised Pay-Per-View match. Kane. WWE thought so little of Wyatt at the time that they sacrificed him to the guy who has barely been on TV since and hasn't been viewed as a credible threat for years. I haven't seen anyone insinuate that Wyatt's plight exists exclusively because of the Cena feud. That was just the jumping off point. Kane in his debut match. Daniel Bryan The Shield Chris Jericho ECW Randy Orton Last years Survivor Series EC last night. Wyatt has had lots of victories over big stars and lets not forget RR 2015. He dominated a huge portion of that match and even eliminated Daniel Bryan so he's far from the weak guy you paint him as. Also do victories in a scripted WWE show really matter? WWE's main target are kids and they want to see their heroes beat a scary intimidating monster who makes lots of threats and provides many beat downs. Another thing look at Kevin Owens. He has lost more credibility in 6 months than Wyatt has in 3 years so if I was Wyatt I would be thankful of the position that he's currently in. The first three you listed occurred prior to the Cena feud. No one is arguing he was handled poorly up until that point. The Survivor Series match, as I mentioned, was the beginning of his rebuilding. In essence, that means a single victory over Chris Jericho in a mid card match at Summerslam has been the defining moment of Bray's character from Wrestlemania 30 until Survivor Series 2016. That's not a good track record. The booking for kids thing is a tired argument. If you don't have strong, credible heels, then the hero who overcomes them doesn't matter. And Bray Wyatt has not been a strong and credible heel for a long time. Look, I love Bray Wyatt. I've been pulling for the guy since his debut, but I just don't see that his booking record is capable of defense.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Feb 13, 2017 17:42:37 GMT -5
Kane in his debut match. Daniel Bryan The Shield Chris Jericho ECW Randy Orton Last years Survivor Series EC last night. Wyatt has had lots of victories over big stars and lets not forget RR 2015. He dominated a huge portion of that match and even eliminated Daniel Bryan so he's far from the weak guy you paint him as. Also do victories in a scripted WWE show really matter? WWE's main target are kids and they want to see their heroes beat a scary intimidating monster who makes lots of threats and provides many beat downs. Another thing look at Kevin Owens. He has lost more credibility in 6 months than Wyatt has in 3 years so if I was Wyatt I would be thankful of the position that he's currently in. The first three you listed occurred prior to the Cena feud. No one is arguing he was handled poorly up until that point. The Survivor Series match, as I mentioned, was the beginning of his rebuilding. In essence, that means a single victory over Chris Jericho in a mid card match at Summerslam has been the defining moment of Bray's character from Wrestlemania 30 until Survivor Series 2016. That's not a good track record. The booking for kids thing is a tired argument. If you don't have strong, credible heels, then the hero who overcomes them doesn't matter. And Bray Wyatt has not been a strong and credible heel for a long time. Look, I love Bray Wyatt. I've been pulling for the guy since his debut, but I just don't see that his booking record is capable of defense. I'm a huge Wyatt fan and want to see him in 10 years time as a top star and I do agree that he has been handled pretty poor at times but he's 29 and has has years ahead of him but I just hope this is the beginning of something great.
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Post by adzy on Feb 13, 2017 18:09:26 GMT -5
Styles still has a 1 v 1 rematch for the title, could possibly get thrown into a triple threat if he doesn't lose clean.
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Post by Yayo on Feb 13, 2017 19:00:23 GMT -5
I would prefer to see someone get added into this match simply because I doubt this will be a top tier match. I'd rather see AJ vs Wyatt in terms of match quality, so yeah, just throw him in there at this point. It'd save us from the mediocrity of an Orton/Wyatt match and keep AJ away from Shane
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Post by HHH316 on Feb 13, 2017 19:07:53 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to the match. There's a lot of groans, but I'm looking at this from a glass half full perspective. I enjoy the work of both guys & think the match will be fine.
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Post by Truth HuRts on Feb 13, 2017 19:28:00 GMT -5
Orton vs Bray will be good Hope to see Orton becoming 13x world champ Now can everyone dissing Orton and Bray STFU both guys deserve the main event of mania
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Post by l on Feb 13, 2017 19:46:15 GMT -5
Too much speculation here for me....... I'm among the biggest Wyatt fans on the board so I'm going to enjoy this while it lasts.
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Post by sitruC on Feb 13, 2017 21:07:18 GMT -5
I don't get why people think Bray is failed due to losing to Cena years ago. He's still young and got a great gimmick. People still like him and he's currently Champion so losing to Cena didn't do that much to him. Sure Cena losing to him could've been the making of him, but so can this. Losing to Cena was just the start of it. He's lost virtually every feud he's been a part of since losing to Cena, and most of them have been largely indistinguishable from one another. Bray talks some gibberish and then can't back it up. He's been the heel gatekeeper for virtually every babyface the company has wanted to put over for the last two years. He stopped being menacing and became just another guy who fell victim to WWE's reluctance to create strong heels. They were just starting to get him back on track. I get that but I just think we should judge him with a clean slate now since he's on a show that can actually use him correctly and know what they're doing rather than just being lost in the shuffle.
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Post by Wardyz on Feb 13, 2017 22:09:11 GMT -5
Harper turns on Wyatt and Orton wins at Mania?
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Post by Terp City on Feb 13, 2017 22:13:55 GMT -5
While I would enjoy Bray vs Orton at Mania, I'd love for Harper to cost Bray the title to AJ, giving us Bray vs Harper and then a classic with Styles and Orton at Mania and then lead to Orton vs Wyatt at the next PPV if Orton goes over at Mania.
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Post by jacktunney on Feb 13, 2017 22:43:48 GMT -5
Man this thread makes me so happy I don't see wrestling through the lens that most of you do. There is no possible way you can enjoy anything nitpicking everything all the time
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Post by k5 on Feb 13, 2017 23:06:16 GMT -5
it's not a feud that is at the top of my list but they can have good matches, bray deserved a big win moment (the title was the cherry on top), and it's actually been a well told story so i'm not opposed.
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Post by hbkjason on Feb 14, 2017 2:06:49 GMT -5
I think this whole storyline has been awesome. It is just really enjoyable and a huge amount of the credit I feel has to go to Randy Orton. He has absolutley knocked this out of the park and I cannot wait to see what happens at Mania. To be honest I do not think there is any need for them to blow their load at Mania as I think this could go on for a little while yet.
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Post by Wardyz on Feb 14, 2017 2:23:16 GMT -5
Is anyone hoping that Wyatt outsmarts Randy instead? that would be interesting asf
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Post by ahunter8056 on Feb 14, 2017 3:58:20 GMT -5
It's been a good feud, with everything having fallen perfectly into place for Orton to destroy the Wyatt family from within, but it really isn't big enough to be a WrestleMania main event. It's a very solid midcard WrestleMania match, but main event? No way. WrestleMania main events need to have a certain amount of star power to them. I don't feel that Bray Wyatt is a big enough star to be main eventing WrestleMania. At some point in the future? Yes. Now? No way.
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Post by Kyle on Feb 14, 2017 10:05:37 GMT -5
I hope it plays out with Bray still champ and Luke Harper ready to take the title. Nothing against Orton, I just feel like Harper has a story to tell that could take us all the way to Summerslam with gimmick matches here and there.
I'm biased though. Super biased.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Feb 14, 2017 16:48:16 GMT -5
I've absolutely loved it. I'll be sad to see it end.
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Post by Hitman Bono on Feb 14, 2017 17:12:06 GMT -5
Think about 2 of the biggest "angle" pops over the last 15 years... Batista's "Thumbs Down" and Daniel Bryan turning on The Wyatts after the Uso's cage match. I fully expect the casual fan to loose their sh t when Orton turns. Now, will it be as big as Dave or Dragon? I dunno... But in a world where people think that Mizanin and Strowman are worthwhile uses of time, I can see Orton's turn blowing the roof off of any arena in the world.
Either way, it sure beats the 4 year old Authority angle out of the water in terms of actual plans.
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