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Post by GBGav on Aug 8, 2017 14:41:24 GMT -5
Logically, it's leading to either Dany or Jon on the throne and they're two of my top four so I'd be happy either way. The other two in my four are Tyrion and Jaime by the way. I wouldn't rule out Tyrion sitting on the throne because I think he's the best suited to be a ruler and it would be a glorious FU to all those Lannisters who hated him. Jaime would be cool too as he's secretly the biggest hero in Westeros, if you ignore him pushing Bran of course. But there's no way he ends up on the throne. Pretty much everybody else would have to die. Same goes for Tyrion actually.
Will the white walkers even get as far south as King's Landing? For that to happen the entire north would have to be decimated. Though I love the idea of a final showdown in a snowy King's Landing. A city surrounding by walkers with (hopefully three) dragons on top of the Red Keep. Having said that just now actually, I think that if Jon and his allies (Dany included) can beat the walkers in the north I think he'll end up on top. The further south the walkers can get I think it favours Dany. But that's just my idea.
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Post by bad guy™ on Aug 8, 2017 14:52:37 GMT -5
Logically, it's leading to either Dany or Jon on the throne and they're two of my top four so I'd be happy either way. The other two in my four are Tyrion and Jaime by the way. I wouldn't rule out Tyrion sitting on the throne because I think he's the best suited to be a ruler and it would be a glorious FU to all those Lannisters who hated him. Jaime would be cool too as he's secretly the biggest hero in Westeros, if you ignore him pushing Bran of course. But there's no way he ends up on the throne. Pretty much everybody else would have to die. Same goes for Tyrion actually. Will the white walkers even get as far south as King's Landing? For that to happen the entire north would have to be decimated. Though I love the idea of a final showdown in a snowy King's Landing. A city surrounding by walkers with (hopefully three) dragons on top of the Red Keep. Having said that just now actually, I think that if Jon and his allies (Dany included) can beat the walkers in the north I think he'll end up on top. The further south the walkers can get I think it favours Dany. But that's just my idea. Jamie is actually, right now, the rightful king. Robert's children were all to rule after him (regardless of them being bastards he didn't know about) but then it goes to the eldest male in the married family. Jamie relinquished King's Guard duty therefore he should be sitting atop the throne not Cersei. But hey, Gendry has a rightful claim too and he's been missing for four seasons.
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Post by IRS on Aug 8, 2017 21:34:41 GMT -5
As much as it pains me to think it, Littlefinger may be my prediction to end up on the Iron Throne by series end. Obviously it looks like he's being set up to be royally ed by the Stark children, but I can just see that bastard weasling away and outlasting everyone else. Sansa would probably be my second place prediction, honestly. Aside from that, I think Tyrion would be my favorite choice to end up ruling. I have trouble seeing Jon, Jaime, & Dany surviving until the end.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 8, 2017 22:19:02 GMT -5
House Targaryen are the rightful Kings of the Andals and the First Men, and Lords of the Seven Kingdoms. So, assuming his parents were married, which seems incredibly likely, Jon is the rightful heir to the throne. Rhaegar is the prince to the mad king and Jon is his first born son.
Jaime should be king right now though based on Robert stealing the crown.
I actually think the obvious move is to let the Night King kill everyone and have him sit on the Iron Throne to send the series off the air. It feels like the GRRM move to make but people are going to lose their sh*t if it happens.
I'm personally pulling for Jon to go over the Night King clean but I can't shake this feeling that GRRM cares more about trolling people than satisfying them.
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Post by sonstuds on Aug 8, 2017 22:26:33 GMT -5
Plot twist - The Night King ends up being a good dude.
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Post by bad guy™ on Aug 8, 2017 22:47:21 GMT -5
Plot twist - The Night King ends up being a good dude. You're my favorite, E.
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 9, 2017 11:52:18 GMT -5
I think John Snow ends up on the throne with his Queen Dany. Just my theory......Don't see any dragons dying until they meet the White Walkers and I reckon its the Night King himself that will kill one.....and then resurrect it. Cersei has played her hand with the Dragon Killer weapon.
Also wheres Edmure Tully boys? He is now the undisputed lord of the Rivverlands holding claim over House Tully & Frey. Did Arya not let her Uncle outta jail???
Are the Lannisters still holding Riverrun? surely not with everything else that's going on......and the Frey men are all dead.....Edmure would be the boss of Riverrun and the Twins.
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Post by k5 on Aug 12, 2017 11:03:46 GMT -5
It was an exciting episode, but it wasn't written particularly well. There was far too much fan service and quasi-exposition. They don't trust the mass audience to pick up on queues, so they go out of their way to literally spell it out for you. ARIA IS A BADASS. LOOK AT HER FIGHT SHE'S REALLY GOOD. AND NOW HER SISTER KNOWS. We already knew that. And they didn't have to showcase it for her sister. There are better, more nuanced ways to write that revelation into the show. But no. Not this show. That said, I love Jamie. I love that he saw his chance and took it. I am really rooting for him. i love the show, but your criticism could not be more painstakingly true. some of the writing is just too blatant in it's approach. despite that it has been a great show, and although a bit dry at times, things are heating up quickly now. no dragon pun intended. i may be one of the few fans of cersei...she definitely started heel, but when she lost her first two children you began to see inside the paranoid headspace she fills - and it was scarily relatable in the sense that you could understand the human element to to her: anger, grief, vengeance, pride..
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Post by King Richius on Aug 13, 2017 0:48:22 GMT -5
Still don't have HBO and still haven't seen any of the latest season but I've heard good things. Looking forward to the next HBO free preview week for so I can catch up. In the meantime, I came across a clip of superfan Leslie Jones and Seth Meyers watching what I assume is the latest episode. I won't link it because the subject line of this here topic says "Spoiler Free Thread" and the video has clips of scenes from the show in it. But, if you want a good laugh and are all caught up on your viewing then check it out: Game of Jones: Leslie Jones and Seth Meyers watch Game of Thrones
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Post by Rule 30 on Aug 13, 2017 9:58:23 GMT -5
I think John Snow ends up on the throne with his Queen Dany. Just my theory......Don't see any dragons dying until they meet the White Walkers and I reckon its the Night King himself that will kill one.....and then resurrect it. Cersei has played her hand with the Dragon Killer weapon. Also wheres Edmure Tully boys? He is now the undisputed lord of the Rivverlands holding claim over House Tully & Frey. Did Arya not let her Uncle outta jail??? Are the Lannisters still holding Riverrun? surely not with everything else that's going on......and the Frey men are all dead.....Edmure would be the boss of Riverrun and the Twins. I don't know if Arya was aware of the fact that Edmure was alive but captured. However, in the books and I think the show too Jaime and the Lannisters take Edmure after they get Riverrun back, so I don't think he would've be at the Twins. I do wonder what's going on with the Riverlands, there's a lot of Freys so I doubt Arya killed every single last one of them... but the fact that the show kind of glosses over minor details like that is one of the few problems I have. As for all the other talk about the show's endgame, I doubt the Night King and the White Walkers are as generically evil as they seem. There's definitely gotta be something more to them, and I imagine Jon Snow will be the one to find out. I guess we already know they were created to help the Children fight the First Men, but I still feel like there's more to their current march South. I'm still not sure who ends up on the throne. Jon and/or Dany are safe picks. Littlefinger is a wild card but I feel like he's destined to receive some Stark justice. I don't think Cersei will survive the series. Tyrion would probably be the best King but I doubt people would ever accept him. Jaime is my darkhorse pick, but I lean more towards Jon/Dany. Or who knows, maybe the White Walkers do just end up killing everyone.
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Post by IRS on Aug 14, 2017 1:52:09 GMT -5
HOLY crap, GILLY SUBTLY DROPPING THAT BOMB! And yet, somehow, I want Gendry to end up on the throne. Just smashing skulls with his hammer. Poor Bronn. ing Cersei is gonna have him Ned Stark'd.
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Post by bad guy™ on Aug 14, 2017 6:54:21 GMT -5
GENDRY IS FINALLY BACK! FORGOTTEN NO LONGER! HOUSE BARRATHEON HAS BEEN RESURRECTED...for a couple episodes.
So Gilley knows Rhaegar had a bastard. Question becomes is she able to put together that the bastard is Jon if she continues reading that book. If she's the one who drops the bomb, and not Bran, I'll literally crap myself.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 14, 2017 8:41:06 GMT -5
GENDRY IS FINALLY BACK! FORGOTTEN NO LONGER! HOUSE BARRATHEON HAS BEEN RESURRECTED...for a couple episodes. So Gilley knows Rhaegar had a bastard. Question becomes is she able to put together that the bastard is Jon if she continues reading that book. If she's the one who drops the bomb, and not Bran, I'll literally crap myself. No. Gilly knows that Rhaegar was married to Lyanna Stark. Meaning that Jon isn't a bastard. He's Rhaegar's true son and the rightful heir to the Seven Kingdoms. Making Dany's claim to the throne null and void, and everyone else's for that matter. How bout them apples. A Song of Ice and Fire...
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Post by bad guy™ on Aug 14, 2017 9:09:49 GMT -5
GENDRY IS FINALLY BACK! FORGOTTEN NO LONGER! HOUSE BARRATHEON HAS BEEN RESURRECTED...for a couple episodes. So Gilley knows Rhaegar had a bastard. Question becomes is she able to put together that the bastard is Jon if she continues reading that book. If she's the one who drops the bomb, and not Bran, I'll literally crap myself. No. Gilly knows that Rhaegar was married to Lyanna Stark. Meaning that Jon isn't a bastard. He's Rhaegar's true son and the rightful heir to the Seven Kingdoms. Making Dany's claim to the throne null and void, and everyone else's for that matter. How bout them apples. A Song of Ice and Fire...I need to go back to Genealogy class. Womp. That would also make him the first non-incest Targaryan wouldn't it? They kept it in the family, hence the insanity. Also am I the only one who thinks Cersei is fleecing Jamie with the pregnancy to try and keep his favor knowing with the whole Night King scenario, if Jamie finds out Dany, Tyrion and Jon are telling the truth he'd fight with them and leave her alone?
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 14, 2017 9:35:46 GMT -5
No. Gilly knows that Rhaegar was married to Lyanna Stark. Meaning that Jon isn't a bastard. He's Rhaegar's true son and the rightful heir to the Seven Kingdoms. Making Dany's claim to the throne null and void, and everyone else's for that matter. How bout them apples. A Song of Ice and Fire...I need to go back to Genealogy class. Womp. That would also make him the first non-incest Targaryan wouldn't it? They kept it in the family, hence the insanity. Also am I the only one who thinks Cersei is fleecing Jamie with the pregnancy to try and keep his favor knowing with the whole Night King scenario, if Jamie finds out Dany, Tyrion and Jon are telling the truth he'd fight with them and leave her alone? Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell (the marriage which we now know was annulled). So Rhaegar's first two children would have been non incest babies as well. All of Rhaegar, Viserys, and Dany are incest babies though. Jon could marry his aunt Dany and it wouldn't be that weird for the Targaryens haha. I think Cersei has lost her marbles. I wouldn't be shocked at all if she made up a pregnancy as a way to control Jaime since she knows he's been talking to Tyrion. We're still being told a story. We aren't going to need Cersei after long because the Night King is now taking center stage as the big antagonist and she's too broken to become a team player. So her cleverness, which is really just desperation and fear in disguise, is going to be the death of her. This lie to Jaime seems like the catalyst for eventually invoking his inner Kingslayer.
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Post by bad guy™ on Aug 14, 2017 9:38:11 GMT -5
I need to go back to Genealogy class. Womp. That would also make him the first non-incest Targaryan wouldn't it? They kept it in the family, hence the insanity. Also am I the only one who thinks Cersei is fleecing Jamie with the pregnancy to try and keep his favor knowing with the whole Night King scenario, if Jamie finds out Dany, Tyrion and Jon are telling the truth he'd fight with them and leave her alone? Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell (the marriage which we now know was annulled). So Rhaegar's first two children would have been non incest babies as well. All of Rhaegar, Viserys, and Dany are incest babies though. Jon could marry his aunt Dany and it wouldn't be that weird for the Targaryens haha. I think Cersei has lost her marbles. I wouldn't be shocked at all if she made up a pregnancy as a way to control Jaime since she knows he's been talking to Tyrion. We're still being told a story. We aren't going to need Cersei after long because the Night King is now taking center stage as the big antagonist and she's too broken to become a team player. So her cleverness, which is really just desperation and fear in disguise, is going to be the death of her. This lie to Jaime seems like the catalyst for eventually invoking his inner Kingslayer. I'd kill for Jamie to take her out. But the question then becomes, what of The Mountain and Meister Qwybern? Surely they can't be left alive when Cersei falls?
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Post by sonstuds on Aug 14, 2017 10:05:25 GMT -5
But the question then becomes, what of The Mountain and Meister Qwybern? Surely they can't be left alive when Cersei falls? I've just been assuming that at some point The Hound will kill The Mountain. And it will be glorious.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 14, 2017 10:10:06 GMT -5
Rhaegar was married to Elia Martell (the marriage which we now know was annulled). So Rhaegar's first two children would have been non incest babies as well. All of Rhaegar, Viserys, and Dany are incest babies though. Jon could marry his aunt Dany and it wouldn't be that weird for the Targaryens haha. I think Cersei has lost her marbles. I wouldn't be shocked at all if she made up a pregnancy as a way to control Jaime since she knows he's been talking to Tyrion. We're still being told a story. We aren't going to need Cersei after long because the Night King is now taking center stage as the big antagonist and she's too broken to become a team player. So her cleverness, which is really just desperation and fear in disguise, is going to be the death of her. This lie to Jaime seems like the catalyst for eventually invoking his inner Kingslayer. I'd kill for Jamie to take her out. But the question then becomes, what of The Mountain and Meister Qwybern? Surely they can't be left alive when Cersei falls? I agree the Mountain is an issue but Jaime is always going to be in a position to kill Cersei. He has constant access to her, both publicly and in private. The Mountain being alive would put him in danger though if he did kill her. I still want to see The Hound vs the Mountain be a thing that happens. So maybe The Hound brings the White Walker back to King's Landing and that is how we get that confrontation? Maybe in the end, Jaime is willing to die for the sake of stopping the "Mad Queen."
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Post by bad guy™ on Aug 14, 2017 10:13:45 GMT -5
But the question then becomes, what of The Mountain and Meister Qwybern? Surely they can't be left alive when Cersei falls? I've just been assuming that at some point The Hound will kill The Mountain. And it will be glorious. Agreed. But with that being said, every season a King dies. Jon and Dany are both safe, so unless they cop out and kill Euron Greyjoy, Cersei gets the axe in the next two episodes. Mountain would defend her to the grave, and The Hound is off frolicking with Jon's merry band of...something north of the wall so...
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Post by bad guy™ on Aug 14, 2017 10:15:30 GMT -5
I'd kill for Jamie to take her out. But the question then becomes, what of The Mountain and Meister Qwybern? Surely they can't be left alive when Cersei falls? I agree the Mountain is an issue but Jaime is always going to be in a position to kill Cersei. He has constant access to her, both publicly and in private. The Mountain being alive would put him in danger though if he did kill her. I still want to see The Hound vs the Mountain be a thing that happens. So maybe The Hound brings the White Walker back to King's Landing and that is how we get that confrontation? Maybe in the end, Jaime is willing to die for the sake of stopping the "Mad Queen." Well the Witch's prophecy said her younger brother would strangle her to death after the death of her third child. They're all dead, and Jamie is the younger twin. Here's hoping.
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