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Post by RybackV1 on Feb 18, 2017 17:13:26 GMT -5
DDP might be THE best example. He's a in saint. 100% agree but he was still a joke in the WWE. Probably one of the worst stints in his career. I agree he was misused to in WWE. But as we've seen it's not all about your specific WWE career as much as your overall wrestling career. He deserves to be in it for his work out of the ring alone. Or his WCW career alone. But combine the two and the man is undoubtably a first ballot HOF
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Post by McBlake on Feb 18, 2017 17:16:53 GMT -5
100% agree but he was still a joke in the WWE. Probably one of the worst stints in his career. I agree he was misused to in WWE. But as we've seen it's not all about your specific WWE career as much as your overall wrestling career. He deserves to be in it for his work out of the ring alone. Or his WCW career alone. But combine the two and the man is undoubtably a first ballot HOF See that's another reason I don't pay much attention to the WWE Hall of Fame tbh. You have guys that have never stepped foot in a WWE ring in there. They consider themselves the definitive wrestling HOF when it shouldn't be imo. Otherwise, like you say, DDP would be one of the top names in there for his contribution to the industry.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Feb 18, 2017 17:30:56 GMT -5
You cannot put every single person in every year. The WWE is a business unlike MLB. They need to make money from this. And some of your choices are relatively young. Christian has time. What is the rush there? Jim Cornette craps on them all the time. And DDP is not your best example... DDP has saved the lives of countless people including Scott Hall and Jake The Snake Roberts. He is a good example. In fact he's perfect. What in the world does that have to do with a wrestling HOF. Just because he is a great person doesn't mean he had a great career. And I never said DDP wasn't worthy. I just said he's not the best example. There are plenty more qualified than him.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Feb 18, 2017 17:39:53 GMT -5
Personally for me, i always thought that the Hall of Fame as the wrestlers chance to be thanked by the fans for all their years entertaining us. I can understand why some fans look at the HOF as serious. I mean sone of the wrestlers take the WWE HOF serious when you've seen wrestlers in the past tearing up in their speeches. To me, i dont like to take it that serious. Do i agree with every inductee? Absolutely not. The only ones i truly disagreed with their induction were most of the celebrities (and the 2016 Warrior Award). I never disliked that guys like Koko B Ware, Bob Orton, Nikolai Volkoff made the HOF, I always felt they had a place in. Yeah its a shame Ivan Koloff didnt make the HOF before he died, and others as well, but politics got in the way. I don't believe the HOF is a joke, but eh, we all have our views.
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Post by LA Times on Feb 18, 2017 17:48:20 GMT -5
The WWE Hall of Fame is a joke, but no wrestling hall of fame is perfect. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame is often seen as the standard for what a pro wrestling HOF should be, but Sting wasnt voted in there until 2016.
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Post by Darkhawk on Feb 18, 2017 18:15:18 GMT -5
It started becoming a joke when they put in celebrities and started doing the Warrior Award.
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Post by JC Motors on Feb 18, 2017 18:17:58 GMT -5
The WCW Hall of Fame is a joke
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Feb 18, 2017 19:22:52 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you have said. So many deserving wrestlers aren't living to see their HOF inductions despite doing so much for the business over the years. Look at Vader. So far no sign of an induction despite it being public knowledge from November that he has not long left and to be truthful if he doesn't get inducted it will prove just how big of a farce the HOF is because the WWE will have ignored a dying man who deserved see himself get inducted. He inducted Hansen last year, so they probably have him scheduled to go in within the next couple years.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Feb 18, 2017 19:26:39 GMT -5
Owen Bulldog Koloff Vader DDP William Regal Christian Jim Cornette Where are they? You do know that they can't induct someone without their estate's consent? And that WWE has tried to get business with Martha Hart multiple times They can, but it doesn't look good and defeats the purpose in honoring and merchandising (which they can't do) them.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Feb 18, 2017 19:40:25 GMT -5
It started becoming a joke when they put in celebrities and started doing the Warrior Award. They've been putting Celebrities in since it brought back in 2004. They are their own wings.
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Post by sitruC on Feb 18, 2017 19:57:17 GMT -5
Because it's in order to respect people Vince likes, not us.
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Post by ClashOfStyles on Feb 18, 2017 20:00:39 GMT -5
At first by reading the title I thought this would be another dumb hate thread destined to be locked, but after reading your post, I agree with every single thing you said. Your arguments make total sense and you aren't just hating for the sake of hating. The likes of Koloff, Savage, and probably Vader soon as well are total snubs and it's totally insane that the likes of Donald Trump and Snoop Dogg got in before some of them.
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Post by TheLastDude on Feb 18, 2017 20:10:10 GMT -5
WWE isn't supposed to be the be all end all hall of fame for pro wrestling It's them honoring people they have good business relations with Vince has hated Ivan the past 20 years Why has this been so hard for people to understand? This is 100% it. If this was serious business, they would have bought a plot of land somewhere in Connecticut and built an actual Hall of Fame building. They would then have artifacts from all the major events through the history of the company all the way back to the WWWF days and before; plaques or busts of all the inductees; and they would do an enshrinement ceremony at the Hall building on its own date instead of as a sideshow attraction during Mania weekend. It's a back slap and an attaboy for people who have been loyal to Vince and/or the company. It's a gimmick. There's nothing wrong with that, either. I'd like to see an actual building built at some point down the road, but for now...it is what it is. And for those saying that celebrities shouldn't be in the HOF...I'd counter that Sting shouldn't either. He wrestled what, three matches in the WWE? That's not a "Hall worthy" career either.
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Post by ZDB on Feb 18, 2017 20:22:59 GMT -5
WWE isn't supposed to be the be all end all hall of fame for pro wrestling It's them honoring people they have good business relations with Vince has hated Ivan the past 20 years Why has this been so hard for people to understand? This is 100% it. If this was serious business, they would have bought a plot of land somewhere in Connecticut and built an actual Hall of Fame building. They would then have artifacts from all the major events through the history of the company all the way back to the WWWF days and before; plaques or busts of all the inductees; and they would do an enshrinement ceremony at the Hall building on its own date instead of as a sideshow attraction during Mania weekend. It's a back slap and an attaboy for people who have been loyal to Vince and/or the company. It's a gimmick. There's nothing wrong with that, either. I'd like to see an actual building built at some point down the road, but for now...it is what it is. And for those saying that celebrities shouldn't be in the HOF...I'd counter that Sting shouldn't either. He wrestled what, three matches in the WWE? That's not a "Hall worthy" career either. Agreed except the very last part. WWE owns WCW so it's basically a WCW hall too
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Post by TheLastDude on Feb 18, 2017 20:37:41 GMT -5
This is 100% it. If this was serious business, they would have bought a plot of land somewhere in Connecticut and built an actual Hall of Fame building. They would then have artifacts from all the major events through the history of the company all the way back to the WWWF days and before; plaques or busts of all the inductees; and they would do an enshrinement ceremony at the Hall building on its own date instead of as a sideshow attraction during Mania weekend. It's a back slap and an attaboy for people who have been loyal to Vince and/or the company. It's a gimmick. There's nothing wrong with that, either. I'd like to see an actual building built at some point down the road, but for now...it is what it is. And for those saying that celebrities shouldn't be in the HOF...I'd counter that Sting shouldn't either. He wrestled what, three matches in the WWE? That's not a "Hall worthy" career either. Agreed except the very last part. WWE owns WCW so it's basically a WCW hall too I'm just pointing that out to split hairs since Sting is the most recent example I could think of. If there has to be a celebrity "wing", then make a WCW "wing" too since it's referred to as the WWE Hall of Fame...savvy? There are several guys in the WWE HOF even though their careers were largely spent elsewhere or they were much bigger stars in other organizations, and to me that's really not all that different from celebrity inductees. They all serve a purpose.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 18, 2017 20:45:37 GMT -5
i feel weird about the HOF. i mean people always say this guy is a shoe in, this guy doesn't deserve it, this one does. What do you really base it on? I mean WWE is a scripted sport. WWE practically makes a HOFer if you think about it. They give a guy the belt as much or as little as they want. They choose how over someone is also. If they don't push Hogan and he was just a mid carder, does he still deserve to be in? I never really minded who went in.
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Feb 18, 2017 21:25:21 GMT -5
At first by reading the title I thought this would be another dumb hate thread destined to be locked, but after reading your post, I agree with every single thing you said. Your arguments make total sense and you aren't just hating for the sake of hating. The likes of Koloff, Savage, and probably Vader soon as well are total snubs and it's totally insane that the likes of Donald Trump and Snoop Dogg got in before some of them. It's not like that at all. It is not that Donald Trump "got in" before Vader. There is a "celebrity wing." They choose a celebrity every year. Just one. You cannot compare celebrity choices to actual wrestlers. If you want to complain Koko B. Ware got in before Vader than that is a valid statement. The celebrity wing is it's own thing. If you want to argue that Andy Kaufman should have gotten in before Donald then I would completely agree. Wrestling fans don't really care about the celebrity inductees, but the WWE still wants to honor them.
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Post by Chip on Feb 18, 2017 22:32:00 GMT -5
they cant induct every wrestler all at once, the whole thing one and done would be ridiculous. no sport does that anyway. and just because ________ isn't already in the hall doesn't make it a joke either. they've been doing the HOF for years, but they didn't start doing this big spectacle/show/selling out an arena/inducting 8 people until 2004. before that it was a handful of guys in the 90's but i highly doubt they knew what they were getting into back then with it.
not to mention this is the WWE hall of fame...not a wrestling hall of fame. on the list of guys that would come to mind as being "hall of fame" worthy....i think ivan koloff is pretty far down. not really sure why he's the breaker for the seriousness of the hall.
and on top of that, there are just gonna be guys who vince flat out doesnt like and is not going to honor them with a nice ring or watch or whatever plus the spotlight.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Feb 19, 2017 0:19:33 GMT -5
Call it a joke all you want, you'll still be watching it on the Friday before Mania with the rest of us lol 🤷🏽♂️
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Post by dixol on Feb 19, 2017 0:59:06 GMT -5
Everybody needs to take Savage off the "snub" list. He was offered a spot when he was alive. He turned them down.
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