xtremebadass
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Post by xtremebadass on Mar 23, 2017 11:27:27 GMT -5
Want to know what my problem is? I don't think RETIREMENT should be made into an angle. Wrestling is a strange business, one of the main champions is 50 years old. You really work yourself into a corner when they make retirement a big deal. Piper, Snuka, Nash, Booker all had been retired for a long time but they made appearances in the Rumble which was an actual match. Remember Ricky Steamboat in 2009? Making a big deal out of retirement in professional wrestling is an unnecessary evil considering how much part timers have become more and more prevalent in WWE now.
BTW how tf do you go from Lesnar vs. Shane McMahon and HBK vs. AJ Styles to Shane McMahon vs. AJ Styles? C'mon man.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Mar 23, 2017 11:30:13 GMT -5
I don't understand the "retired" thing. Most athletes retire because they physically can't do what they used to at the highest level. So they are forced to retire. If Michael Jordan was able to play 1 more game the way he used to, you don't think he would come out of retirement for it? If Dan Marino could come and play 1 more game in the Super Bowl (Wrestlemanias equivalent) you don't think he would throw on the pads and strap on the helmet right now?
If he is physically able to perform to the ability he wants, I see no problem in him coming back for a match. Retirement is forced upon the greats. This is Pro Wrestling for crying out loud.
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Post by T R W on Mar 23, 2017 11:34:14 GMT -5
Sounds great on paper. But I get why he wouldn't want to. I have no desire to see Shane fight anyone let alone AJ. I get it's a good spot for him with the company, but blah. Problem is, AJ has already run through everyone on the roster on SD. I was honestly hoping they would keep the title on AJ and have him face off with Undertaker instead after having beaten everyone on SD if they weren't going to do Cena/Taker. Bray and Orton does not need the title.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Mar 23, 2017 11:41:52 GMT -5
A retirement should be retirement. Good match or not, some dream matches must stay as dreams. Also I find it funny that people have no problem with Styles vs Michaels, but crap on Shane. Because Styles and Michaels are professional wrestlers. Shane McMahon is not. What's so funny about that?
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Post by LostHawk05 on Mar 23, 2017 11:44:07 GMT -5
Shawn turned them down? Go with the next best thing... . On a grand stage like WrestleMania, I bet these two would have torn the house down.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Mar 23, 2017 11:44:09 GMT -5
I don't understand the "retired" thing. Most athletes retire because they physically can't do what they used to at the highest level. So they are forced to retire. If Michael Jordan was able to play 1 more game the way he used to, you don't think he would come out of retirement for it? If Dan Marino could come and play 1 more game in the Super Bowl (Wrestlemanias equivalent) you don't think he would throw on the pads and strap on the helmet right now? If he is physically able to perform to the ability he wants, I see no problem in him coming back for a match. Retirement is forced upon the greats. This is Pro Wrestling for crying out loud. People retire for other reasons. Especially in sports. Just so we're all on the same page.
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Post by Chip on Mar 23, 2017 11:50:38 GMT -5
would have ZERO issues with HBK having one more match, considering in wrestling lore technically he retired on a storyline.
and especially if that match was against someone like AJ
However I can see why HBK would have turned it down. And it's a damn shame. Everything, it just all sucks.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Mar 23, 2017 11:53:55 GMT -5
I don't understand the "retired" thing. Most athletes retire because they physically can't do what they used to at the highest level. So they are forced to retire. If Michael Jordan was able to play 1 more game the way he used to, you don't think he would come out of retirement for it? If Dan Marino could come and play 1 more game in the Super Bowl (Wrestlemanias equivalent) you don't think he would throw on the pads and strap on the helmet right now? If he is physically able to perform to the ability he wants, I see no problem in him coming back for a match. Retirement is forced upon the greats. This is Pro Wrestling for crying out loud. People retire for other reasons. Especially in sports. Just so we're all on the same page. Why? The people that have left on their own are inomolies like Barry Sanders. The other ones are forced out, either by health or family matters. Ken Griffey JR.= Couldn't play the way he used to anymore got old and slow. Roger Clemons = lost a lot of heat on his fastball. Michael Jordon = watch him on the Wizards. Kobe Bryant = he would play a couple games, and ice the crap out of he knees and miss a few games. Barry Sanders = Walked away on his own. Jerry Rice = slow, got cut by Seahawks, and couldn't even make Denver's roster. Terrell Owens = became slow, and couldn't hold onto a ball anymore.
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Post by McBlake on Mar 23, 2017 11:55:45 GMT -5
This upsets me. My all time dream match. Respect his retirement all you want, but I have absolutely no doubt he could come back tomorrow and still put on a show but I think he'll keep his word.
File this under "what if" right between Undertaker/Sting and Punk/Austin.
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 23, 2017 12:55:21 GMT -5
God ing dammit...
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Post by hbkowns on Mar 23, 2017 12:59:34 GMT -5
Shawn turned them down? Go with the next best thing... Rolls reversed. Hell, WWE likes to work the IWC so much. They could've turned AJ face after the Rumble, or Chamber. Have Styles come out and address the internet rumors and claim he wants Shawn at WrestleMania. Have Shawn come out and decline. Dolph comes out and the feud is born. They can do it however they want from there. Doesn't matter. Better than Styles/Shane. Also would've been nice to get a big name on SmackDown to give the run to a full-time talent, but noooo... Shawn is used for a spot for his straight to DVD movie, to give Enzo and Cass a pointless plug and the overused "I lost my career to The Undertaker. He's tough, believe me" segment. Sorry But Ziggler is honestly worth nothing but an enhancement talent at the moment. Sure it would be a great match, but it would be alive step down for Styles.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Mar 23, 2017 13:03:54 GMT -5
Shawn turned them down? Go with the next best thing... Rolls reversed. Hell, WWE likes to work the IWC so much. They could've turned AJ face after the Rumble, or Chamber. Have Styles come out and address the internet rumors and claim he wants Shawn at WrestleMania. Have Shawn come out and decline. Dolph comes out and the feud is born. They can do it however they want from there. Doesn't matter. Better than Styles/Shane. Also would've been nice to get a big name on SmackDown to give the run to a full-time talent, but noooo... Shawn is used for a spot for his straight to DVD movie, to give Enzo and Cass a pointless plug and the overused "I lost my career to The Undertaker. He's tough, believe me" segment. Sorry But Ziggler is honestly worth nothing but an enhancement talent at the moment. Sure it would be a great match, but it would be alive step down for Styles. Sorry But it's professional wrestling. Anyone is as credible as the booking makes them. A great match with Styles and putting AJ over at WrestleMania is a spot Dolph should and could easily be in right now.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 23, 2017 13:07:45 GMT -5
*Wahhhh*
That you all. Babies. Shane is a match that can only happen in WWE. He is also 47, so Big 4 matches is probably all we'll get from him. Sounds like everyone hates Shane, when a year ago they were marking out likekids. I hate your fickleness. AJ lost to Jericho last year. At least he'll win this time....
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Post by k5 on Mar 23, 2017 13:11:47 GMT -5
styles/michaels would have been great, there is no question. but it was michaels' choice and he made it.
now we're stuck with aj carrying shane....great. shane's stock has dropped so much in a year that it's mindblowing.
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 23, 2017 13:23:21 GMT -5
*Wahhhh* That you all. Babies. Shane is a match that can only happen in WWE. He is also 47, so Big 4 matches is probably all we'll get from him. Sounds like everyone hates Shane, when a year ago they were marking out likekids. I hate your fickleness. AJ lost to Jericho last year. At least he'll win this time.... What kind of argument is that? People were excited when Shane returned, but then he had a sh*tty match with the Undertaker, and a HORRID showing at Survivor Series. None of that takes away from the fact that Shane has been a pretty great authority figure on Smackdown though. That also doesn't mean we want to see the best wrestler on the roster wrestle a guy who really isn't capable of the matches he had back in the late 90s and early 2000s, either. Not to mention, he's not even a wrestler. You say fickleness like nothing has happened between now and when Shane returned. A lot has happened and the fans have every right to not want this match. I personally think it's going to be entertaining but it's not even in the same hemisphere as what HBK vs AJ Styles would be. That's not crying, that's just a fact of life.
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Post by ero on Mar 23, 2017 13:26:12 GMT -5
Count me in for wanting Dolph. Have him come running in after a few underwhelming minutes with Shane, take AJ by surprise and just have a sweet match. I'd even love it if Dolph won the thing. Start a sweet feud with AJ, maybe create some heat between him and Shane, Shane and AJ form an alliance against Dolph, always picking on him, never allowing him to savor his WM win.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 23, 2017 13:37:14 GMT -5
*Wahhhh* That you all. Babies. Shane is a match that can only happen in WWE. He is also 47, so Big 4 matches is probably all we'll get from him. Sounds like everyone hates Shane, when a year ago they were marking out likekids. I hate your fickleness. AJ lost to Jericho last year. At least he'll win this time.... What kind of argument is that? People were excited when Shane returned, but then he had a sh*tty match with the Undertaker, and a HORRID showing at Survivor Series. None of that takes away from the fact that Shane has been a pretty great authority figure on Smackdown though. That also doesn't mean we want to see the best wrestler on the roster wrestle a guy who really isn't capable of the matches he had back in the late 90s and early 2000s, either. Not to mention, he's not even a wrestler. You say fickleness like nothing has happened between now and when Shane returned. A lot has happened and the fans have every right to not want this match. I personally think it's going to be entertaining but it's not even in the same hemisphere as what HBK vs AJ Styles would be. That's not crying, that's just a fact of life. Idk what you all saw then. He is 47 and is still doing Mick Foley/RVD moves. Roman dropped him on his head and got concussed. HBK is done. People need to let it go. We can have Shinsuke or whatever will appease the fickle fans next year. A match that already happened in Japan, but whatever. If wishes and buts were clusters of nuts we could ALL have granola....
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Post by J12 on Mar 23, 2017 13:54:23 GMT -5
Sorry But Ziggler is honestly worth nothing but an enhancement talent at the moment. Sure it would be a great match, but it would be alive step down for Styles. Sorry But it's professional wrestling. Anyone is as credible as the booking makes them. A great match with Styles and putting AJ over at WrestleMania is a spot Dolph should and could easily be in right now. You'd have to back in time six months, at minimum, and start rehabing Dolph to make AJ Styles vs. Dolph Ziggler a worthy Wrestlemania match. As it stands, would it be good? Sure, but it would barely make the main card. Ziggler is beyond damaged goods at this point. As much as I want a great match out of AJ Styles at Wrestlemania, if you give me the choice of Dolph Ziggler as he is right now or Shane McMahon, I'm picking Shane McMahon every time. It's the biggest match Smackdown has on the Wrestlemania card - and that's good for Styles.
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Post by hbkowns on Mar 23, 2017 13:57:02 GMT -5
Sorry But Ziggler is honestly worth nothing but an enhancement talent at the moment. Sure it would be a great match, but it would be alive step down for Styles. Sorry But it's professional wrestling. Anyone is as credible as the booking makes them. A great match with Styles and putting AJ over at WrestleMania is a spot Dolph should and could easily be in right now. It's too late to build Ziggler up as a worthy opponent. He's been jobbing to Apollo Crews, Kalisto, Mojo Rawley. He's nowhere near Styles level.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Mar 23, 2017 14:42:47 GMT -5
Shawn is taking this retirement a little too seriously. Is he trying to prove a point or something? Retirement doesn't exist in wrestling anyway.
Also he hasn't wrestled in 7 years so could he still go?
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