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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 14:46:11 GMT -5
Guy is pretty talented in the ring. Is decent on the mic when given opportunity. Seems like they're going a Hassan route with him which is A-OK in my book. India is a massive market for WWE so it overall benefits the company. Creates a new heel/star and main event player which WWE is lacking. I have a lot of defense. And every main event player? You mean AJ and Orton? Because they're the only actual two on Smackdown currently with Miz and Ambrose gone.. That would be all well and good if Mahal had won a match in the last three months, or was made to look like anything but an incapable full time jobber. There's something to be said for bringing a guy in cold with no pre-conceived notions about him and shooting him to the top. You can play plenty of cards with that angle - namely that the talent, and the audience isn't familiar with him and he's something special. See: Finn Balor. It doesn't work when the guy has been the token jobber on the other brand since returning to the company. It makes Smackdown look like a joke. It makes Shane McMahon and Daniel Bryan look like jokes for even putting him in the match. What did he do to earn a spot in that match? Lose to Mojo Rawley? That's been Jinder's claim to fame since coming to Smackdown. He lost to the guy who won a battle royal because of his famous friend. And now he's challenging for the "most prestigious title in the company." Smackdown is using the "land of opportunity" gimmick as a scapegoat for not putting work in. If they wanted to take a shot on Jinder being a top guy, fine. I completely disagree that he's a decent worker, but that's beyond the point. I'm not going to get upset if they want to try to elevate a guy and see what he's got, so long as it's credible within the narrative. This is not. As far as main event players, I was wrong. It doesn't just make them look bad. It makes the entire Smackdown roster look bad, and Shane and Bryan completely incompetent. Well Mahal did win with help from the Bollywood Boyz, it wasn't a clean victory so, he got lucky. Not to mention SD does need some Main Event Heels. And this proves that RAW doesn't want need people, because now you have Jinder who is wrestling for the World title for the first time ever, proving that SD is a time of opportunity, where anyone can have a shot at their goals, where they can finally reach that dream, and win a World Title.
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Post by J12 on Apr 19, 2017 14:51:34 GMT -5
That would be all well and good if Mahal had won a match in the last three months, or was made to look like anything but an incapable full time jobber. There's something to be said for bringing a guy in cold with no pre-conceived notions about him and shooting him to the top. You can play plenty of cards with that angle - namely that the talent, and the audience isn't familiar with him and he's something special. See: Finn Balor. It doesn't work when the guy has been the token jobber on the other brand since returning to the company. It makes Smackdown look like a joke. It makes Shane McMahon and Daniel Bryan look like jokes for even putting him in the match. What did he do to earn a spot in that match? Lose to Mojo Rawley? That's been Jinder's claim to fame since coming to Smackdown. He lost to the guy who won a battle royal because of his famous friend. And now he's challenging for the "most prestigious title in the company." Smackdown is using the "land of opportunity" gimmick as a scapegoat for not putting work in. If they wanted to take a shot on Jinder being a top guy, fine. I completely disagree that he's a decent worker, but that's beyond the point. I'm not going to get upset if they want to try to elevate a guy and see what he's got, so long as it's credible within the narrative. This is not. As far as main event players, I was wrong. It doesn't just make them look bad. It makes the entire Smackdown roster look bad, and Shane and Bryan completely incompetent. Well Mahal did win with help from the Bollywood Boyz, it wasn't a clean victory so, he got lucky. Not to mention SD does need some Main Event Heels. And this proves that RAW doesn't want need people, because now you have Jinder who is wrestling for the World title for the first time ever, proving that SD is a time of opportunity, where anyone can have a shot at their goals, where they can finally reach that dream, and win a World Title. The Bollywood Boys piece is the only piece of this angle that actually works thus far, because, as you said, he didn't do it on his own and he hasn't had them in the past. As usual, though, the commentary team really failed to drive that point home, when it should have been the focal point of the entire situation. As I mentioned, the "Land of Opportunity" thing is a great idea in theory, but last night it was really poor in execution. Both Jinder and Primo & Epico got wins over more established talent without any major shift in the way they're portrayed as characters. Jinder had no business being in that match, and Primo & Epico aren't credible enough to have beaten American Alpha. It didn't make them look better, it made everyone else look worse. Primo & Epico are the same dudes they were two weeks ago, who couldn't win a match to save their lives, and now they're beating the (supposed) top tag team on Smackdown. It's not credible, and that's a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 16:14:40 GMT -5
Jinder is obviously a filler feud. It's fine. I don't see why people are getting that worked up. It's not like he is winning.
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Post by @brit_figs on Apr 19, 2017 16:26:14 GMT -5
Imagine if Jinder 'shocked the world'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 18:10:53 GMT -5
I would find it hilarious if it went from Cena to Bray to Orton, as Transitional Champions to Jinder Mahal, with a 9 Month Title Reign!
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Post by Will on Apr 19, 2017 18:39:47 GMT -5
Jinder is obviously a filler feud. It's fine. I don't see why people are getting that worked up. It's not like he is winning. not really. The group being pushed should be able to help with WWE's expansion into the Indian market.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Apr 19, 2017 21:21:59 GMT -5
There really is no excuse for how lazy the writing is. At least put effort into it. The guy was a legit jobber. He's had one competitive match since he's even back in the company and in that match he injured his opponent. You can't expect the fans to care about him instantly. There are several guys on the roster who have worked their butts off for years and just get crapped on creatively non stop. It's like they do their best to not give the fans anything good,like they want to spite their fans. If they wanted him in the main event scene they should of had him win a few competitive matches 1st. That's how you book wrestling. He also looks like he has "bitch tits" forming around his nipples which is a tell tale sign of steroid use. This is like taking Barry Harowitz or Mike Sharp and having them face Hogan at summer slam for the title because they won one match. There is no excuse for it. I'm sure they will get the machine rolling behind him and eventuality he'll be over. But doesn't account for the fact that they forgot how to book wrestling.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Apr 20, 2017 2:49:01 GMT -5
Another reason I don't mind is that it's unlikely Orton is at risk of dropping the championship in the next couple of months. So we get a wicked US title match, and guys like Corbin and Sami can get a title match in a couple of months when the outcome is a little more unpredictable.
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Post by Chip on Apr 20, 2017 17:20:02 GMT -5
jinder is in this position because the WWE cant figure out how to book anyone.
orton and bray are in the middle of a title feud...sorta....and then bray gets "moved" to a different show, rendering that feud worthless. and now he's not even going for the title.
so they literally have no clue what else to do because there hasnt been a credible heel built up to challenge the #1 top blue brand babyface on Smackdown ever. AJ? he's a face. Corbin? he just lost an IC title match to Ambrose at Wrestlemania. Ziggler? he's been jobbing to kalisto and apollo crews. Rusev is hurt. KO has the US belt because reasons.
Other than that there is literally nobody on Smackdown who could face Orton for the title. So they go with the "lets shock everyone by having a guy randomly win a match that we set up a week before, and then that guy cuts a heel promo and the crowd boos.....oh and sign the bollywood boyz while we're at it because we need more tag teams on Smackdown to do nothing"
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Apr 20, 2017 19:56:15 GMT -5
jinder is in this position because the WWE cant figure out how to book anyone. orton and bray are in the middle of a title feud...sorta....and then bray gets "moved" to a different show, rendering that feud worthless. and now he's not even going for the title. so they literally have no clue what else to do because there hasnt been a credible heel built up to challenge the #1 top blue brand babyface on Smackdown ever. AJ? he's a face. Corbin? he just lost an IC title match to Ambrose at Wrestlemania. Ziggler? he's been jobbing to kalisto and apollo crews. Rusev is hurt. KO has the US belt because reasons. Other than that there is literally nobody on Smackdown who could face Orton for the title. So they go with the "lets shock everyone by having a guy randomly win a match that we set up a week before, and then that guy cuts a heel promo and the crowd boos.....oh and sign the bollywood boyz while we're at it because we need more tag teams on Smackdown to do nothing" Luke Harper....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 22:06:45 GMT -5
jinder is in this position because the WWE cant figure out how to book anyone. orton and bray are in the middle of a title feud...sorta....and then bray gets "moved" to a different show, rendering that feud worthless. and now he's not even going for the title. so they literally have no clue what else to do because there hasnt been a credible heel built up to challenge the #1 top blue brand babyface on Smackdown ever. AJ? he's a face. Corbin? he just lost an IC title match to Ambrose at Wrestlemania. Ziggler? he's been jobbing to kalisto and apollo crews. Rusev is hurt. KO has the US belt because reasons. Other than that there is literally nobody on Smackdown who could face Orton for the title. So they go with the "lets shock everyone by having a guy randomly win a match that we set up a week before, and then that guy cuts a heel promo and the crowd boos.....oh and sign the bollywood boyz while we're at it because we need more tag teams on Smackdown to do nothing" Luke Harper.... Luke Harper should be the next John Cena.
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Post by Chip on Apr 21, 2017 9:18:52 GMT -5
jinder is in this position because the WWE cant figure out how to book anyone. orton and bray are in the middle of a title feud...sorta....and then bray gets "moved" to a different show, rendering that feud worthless. and now he's not even going for the title. so they literally have no clue what else to do because there hasnt been a credible heel built up to challenge the #1 top blue brand babyface on Smackdown ever. AJ? he's a face. Corbin? he just lost an IC title match to Ambrose at Wrestlemania. Ziggler? he's been jobbing to kalisto and apollo crews. Rusev is hurt. KO has the US belt because reasons. Other than that there is literally nobody on Smackdown who could face Orton for the title. So they go with the "lets shock everyone by having a guy randomly win a match that we set up a week before, and then that guy cuts a heel promo and the crowd boos.....oh and sign the bollywood boyz while we're at it because we need more tag teams on Smackdown to do nothing" Luke Harper.... oh thats right i completely forgot about Harper......... which proves my point.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Apr 21, 2017 9:34:56 GMT -5
Jinder is obviously a filler feud. It's fine. I don't see why people are getting that worked up. It's not like he is winning. not really. The group being pushed should be able to help with WWE's expansion into the Indian market. It's still a filler feud because the plans are to have AJ vs Orton be the summer feud for Smackdown after they got a big rating bump when that match was advertised and happened on Smackdown
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Post by mr256 on Apr 21, 2017 9:47:16 GMT -5
Backlash still has a month to go, i think theyll change up the main event by then. Chicago will ruin it if Orton vs Mahal, I wanna see a sammi zayn heel turn on orton
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Post by bigshab421 on Apr 24, 2017 10:27:48 GMT -5
Backlash still has a month to go, i think theyll change up the main event by then. Chicago will ruin it if Orton vs Mahal, I wanna see a sammi zayn heel turn on orton Sami heel turn???
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 17:35:21 GMT -5
Backlash still has a month to go, i think theyll change up the main event by then. Chicago will ruin it if Orton vs Mahal, I wanna see a sammi zayn heel turn on orton I'd rather Jinder win the damn belt and feud with Aiden English than have Sami turn.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Apr 24, 2017 23:42:53 GMT -5
The fact that they've booked Randy Orton's next opponent before he's even faced Bray just shows that they panicked and did the Shakeup far too soon.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Apr 26, 2017 8:00:11 GMT -5
First Jinder and now the Fashion Po Po are getting a title match at a PPV? Tyler Breeze got TKO'd and tapped out to Nikki Bella just a few weeks ago and now they're #1 contenders. What is going on with Smackdown?
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Post by McBlake on Apr 26, 2017 10:44:40 GMT -5
I hope Breezango drop the fashion police bull crap and actually go on a decent run. 2 talented guys that deserve a hell of a lot better.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Apr 26, 2017 18:35:53 GMT -5
"WWE IS LACKING HEELS!" "SAME OLD CHIT" "HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE SEEN THIS?!" "THEY DON'T BUILD NEW STARS ANYMORE" WWE decides to try and build a new main event player/star in someone who overall isn't bad (It could have been Mojo...) and everyone on here is bitching about it. Personally, I think Jinder is bad at everything and has never impressed me at all. However, even if he did, these hotshot pushes from out of nowhere never work. The guy hadn't won on TV since January 2nd, yet all of a sudden, we're supposed to buy him as a threat? Remember when Jack Swagger jobbed for months, then won MITB and cashed in with no build? It went nowhere. Put some effort into the build instead of going all in instantly and it might work.
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