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Post by GBGav on May 20, 2017 10:16:52 GMT -5
I just don't get how people can be so stupid to vote for the Tories, it really is a case of Turkeys voting for Christmas. Because people will do whatever the newspapers tell them to do. All of them are up May's arse so she'll probably win. Just like how The Sun urged us to leave the EU and we duly obeyed. Anyone who says they want to regulate the internet should be thrown off a cliff. Like my friend said last night, "Quick, save your good porn!"
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 14:30:50 GMT -5
Well it doesn't help does it when you've got the likes of that... sending her kid to private school just out for themselves what happened to principals is it fashionable to be a tory in this day and age are people really a wake going through life I don't think so lol know so we are born to be ruled just drip feeding bullsh.i.t. get on the people
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Post by StylesP1 on May 20, 2017 15:27:33 GMT -5
Theresa's views on the Internet are stupid. “It should be as unacceptable to bully online as it is in the playground"...really?
Anyway I hope she wins, anything but labour
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Post by kev85hasbro on May 20, 2017 15:52:53 GMT -5
None of them. Personally I think voting is rigged and it is just a way to manipulate working class people even more so. The banks truly rule the world and I haven't got a say in any of that either. Presidents are selected not elected.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 16:02:12 GMT -5
Theresa's views on the Internet are stupid. “It should be as unacceptable to bully online as it is in the playground"...really? Anyway I hope she wins, anything but labour everything you've ever seen or been told by the media as been controlled at birth before the internet now they can't control us they want us back under control Theresa's views on the Internet are stupid ... so are they really stupid ?
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Post by Lego Customs! on May 20, 2017 16:06:05 GMT -5
None of them. Personally I think voting is rigged and it is just a way to manipulate working class people even more so. The banks truly rule the world and I haven't got a say in any of that either. Presidents are selected not elected. Then why not vote Labour and change that?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 16:06:14 GMT -5
None of them. Personally I think voting is rigged and it is just a way to manipulate working class people even more so. The banks truly rule the world and I haven't got a say in any of that either. Presidents are selected not elected. like that lad money rules but least we get a bit more off labour
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Post by Lego Customs! on May 20, 2017 16:08:32 GMT -5
Theresa's views on the Internet are stupid. “It should be as unacceptable to bully online as it is in the playground"...really? Anyway I hope she wins, anything but labour everything you've ever seen or been told by the media as been controlled at birth before the internet now they can't control us they want us back under control Theresa's views on the Internet are stupid ... so are they really stupid ? Nail on the head there. The Tories might be able to push their message through the paper based media but they have no control online. 'I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. “That’s easy,” he replied. “When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.”'
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Post by kev85hasbro on May 21, 2017 10:07:17 GMT -5
None of them. Personally I think voting is rigged and it is just a way to manipulate working class people even more so. The banks truly rule the world and I haven't got a say in any of that either. Presidents are selected not elected. like that lad money rules but least we get a bit more off labour Yes get what you're saying there. But Labour obliterated Iraq and Afghanistan last time and I can't forgive them for that. Conservative OK it for the UK to do the same to Syria. So I won't be voting for these bunch of murderers. As you are aware, supplying weapons to foreign countries is the UK's biggest industry. Do you think a overhaul of parliament and the aristocrats would be more appealing?
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Post by Lego Customs! on May 21, 2017 12:27:34 GMT -5
like that lad money rules but least we get a bit more off labour Yes get what you're saying there. But Labour obliterated Iraq and Afghanistan last time and I can't forgive them for that. Conservative OK it for the UK to do the same to Syria. So I won't be voting for these bunch of murderers. As you are aware, supplying weapons to foreign countries is the UK's biggest industry. Do you think a overhaul of parliament and the aristocrats would be more appealing? Labour is very different now, Jeremy Corbyn opposed action in Iraq and Afghanistan and is against military action except for the very last resort. Labour have also pledged to end selling arms to Saudi Arabia. Basically, if you don't get out and vote, the Tories get in again and everybody suffers. Well, except the richest 5% obviously.
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Post by maske2g on May 22, 2017 8:15:58 GMT -5
Yes get what you're saying there. But Labour obliterated Iraq and Afghanistan last time and I can't forgive them for that. Conservative OK it for the UK to do the same to Syria. So I won't be voting for these bunch of murderers. As you are aware, supplying weapons to foreign countries is the UK's biggest industry. Do you think a overhaul of parliament and the aristocrats would be more appealing? Labour is very different now, Jeremy Corbyn opposed action in Iraq and Afghanistan and is against military action except for the very last resort. Labour have also pledged to end selling arms to Saudi Arabia. Basically, if you don't get out and vote, the Tories get in again and everybody suffers. Well, except the richest 5% obviously. Corbyn wants a socialist country that the rest of the world is not ready for. You can't compete economically with that model. (See Venezuela)
If he got in, (Which he won't do in a million years), we can't afford his proposals, which will mean the next crash is bigger, and much more painful.
As I've said here before, people will vote with their pockets. The average person in this country is paper rich now from property, and they will vote to stay that way, despite the fact that it was obtained by Bank Of England policies and not government.
The thing I love about your average idealistic lefty is, they tend to be the most unhappy people I know, and assume that everyone else is living life in abject misery too. There are a lot of people in this country who are very happy with the life we have. I'm tired of hearing about the lack of funding for the NHS for example. The NHS is rotten to the core. Expensive contractors, corruption throughout, and departments spending more on expensive art than they do on IT security. It needs regulation, not good money after bad.
And yet, we still have one of the best welfare systems in the world. It's simply unsustainable to keep paying for it by increasing the national debt.
The Tories have responsibly reduced borrowing to 2% of GDP, it reached 10% after the last economic crash. Labour were in then, but it wasn't their fault, it was greedy the Americans....
I'm speaking like I like the tory party. I dislike politicians in general, but the constant chatter about them acting for the 5% is misinformed at best. Do you want to know why the rich have got much richer? Because it has absolutely NOTHING to do with any political party on earth, and everything to do with the policies of the FED, BOE, ECB and BOJ.
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Post by kev85hasbro on May 22, 2017 8:48:35 GMT -5
Labour is very different now, Jeremy Corbyn opposed action in Iraq and Afghanistan and is against military action except for the very last resort. Labour have also pledged to end selling arms to Saudi Arabia. Basically, if you don't get out and vote, the Tories get in again and everybody suffers. Well, except the richest 5% obviously. Corbyn wants a socialist country that the rest of the world is not ready for. You can't compete economically with that model. (See Venezuela)
If he got in, (Which he won't do in a million years), we can't afford his proposals, which will mean the next crash is bigger, and much more painful.
As I've said here before, people will vote with their pockets. The average person in this country is paper rich now from property, and they will vote to stay that way, despite the fact that it was obtained by Bank Of England policies and not government.
The thing I love about your average idealistic lefty is, they tend to be the most unhappy people I know, and assume that everyone else is living life in abject misery too. There are a lot of people in this country who are very happy with the life we have. I'm tired of hearing about the lack of funding for the NHS for example. The NHS is rotten to the core. Expensive contractors, corruption throughout, and departments spending more on expensive art than they do on IT security. It needs regulation, not good money after bad.
And yet, we still have one of the best welfare systems in the world. It's simply unsustainable to keep paying for it by increasing the national debt.
The Tories have responsibly reduced borrowing to 2% of GDP, it reached 10% after the last economic crash. Labour were in then, but it wasn't their fault, it was greedy the Americans....
I'm speaking like I like the tory party. I dislike politicians in general, but the constant chatter about them acting for the 5% is misinformed at best. Do you want to know why the rich have got much richer? Because it has absolutely NOTHING to do with any political party on earth, and everything to do with the policies of the FED, BOE, ECB and BOJ.
You are the real Theresa May and I claim my £5.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 11:51:14 GMT -5
Corbyn wants a socialist country that the rest of the world is not ready for. You can't compete economically with that model. (See Venezuela) You can't honestly compare "BRITAN" with ....... LOL "Venezuela" had to go on google map to find it only joking we are one of the richest country's on the planet we always find money for war or bailing out them viper's the banks we are the most taxed country in the world are we not apart from the super rich that take but don't give back
corbyn if rules will not dance with the devil he as principles you see that meeting of those two minds as already taken place why do you think the media will not let up on the man! people who stick with there believes hold the power rupert murdoch if you can't be under his control "god help you" he will put you under his spotlight
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Post by maske2g on May 22, 2017 12:48:48 GMT -5
Corbyn wants a socialist country that the rest of the world is not ready for. You can't compete economically with that model. (See Venezuela) You can't honestly compare "BRITAN" with ....... LOL "Venezuela" had to go on google map to find it only joking we are one of the richest country's on the planet we always find money for war or bailing out them viper's the banks we are the most taxed country in the world are we not apart from the super rich that take but don't give back
corbyn if rules will not dance with the devil he as principles you see that meeting of those two minds as already taken place why do you think the media will not let up on the man! people who stick with there believes hold the power rupert murdoch if you can't be under his control "god help you" he will put you under his spotlight
Dude I agree it wouldnt get to that length, it was an extreme comparison, but with the rest of your post you are basically agreeing with the main point. The rest of the world wont have it. We would need another economic meltdown, and then a Corbyn in every other economic powerhouse. Seeing as two of those are commie countries, the chances are slim to none of him being a success at this time. You only have to look at Trump. He may be an idiot, but he has tried in vain to do whats best for average American Joes. He is up against hundreds of Senators who have vested interests though. The rich want immigration, its cheap labour. They want privatisation, (obamacare), its one more form of debt slavery. They want cheap credit. And expensive housing. And stifled pay growth. Etc
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on May 25, 2017 19:54:06 GMT -5
With regards to the national debt... the tories - despite saying they would reduce it, have actually managed to increase it, and have already borrowed more in seven years, than Labour did in thirteen.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on May 25, 2017 20:01:26 GMT -5
I just don't get how people can be so stupid to vote for the Tories, it really is a case of Turkeys voting for Christmas. Because people will do whatever the newspapers tell them to do. All of them are up May's arse so she'll probably win. Just like how The Sun urged us to leave the EU and we duly obeyed. Anyone who says they want to regulate the internet should be thrown off a cliff. Like my friend said last night, "Quick, save your good porn!" Like the Scum told everyone two years ago, not to vote for Miliband, because he couldn't eat a bacon sandwich properly.
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Post by maske2g on May 29, 2017 8:46:51 GMT -5
With regards to the national debt... the tories - despite saying they would reduce it, have actually managed to increase it, and have already borrowed more in seven years, than Labour did in thirteen. Yep Ive seen that meme too bud and its totally out of context with reality. You have to take into account debt as a percentage of GDP and the historicaly low borrowing costs. After world wars and the financial crisis, national debt spikes to buy you out of trouble. Its inevitable. National debt as a percentage of GDP went from 50 to 76 % in 08 to 2010 I dont blame Labour for that I blame the credit crunch. Its increased to 89% in the 7 years since, but crucially the growth per year has decreased rapidly. Before the crunch the Interest on those loans was around 5%, now its more like 0.75%. In short every country has indebted themselves massively since the credit crunch, but it has to be taken into account with GDP or its meaningless.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on May 30, 2017 10:40:47 GMT -5
The media showing it's bias against Corbyn again this morning.
"Corbyn struggles over cost of childcare policy" was the big front page story on BBC's website earlier, down to the fact he couldn't remember off the top of his head an exact figure.
But the Tories have zero costings in their manifesto and they think a child's breakfast only costs 7p, well the media will just let that slide....
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jun 2, 2017 20:36:43 GMT -5
It's like John McDonnell said... the only numbers you'll find in the tory manifesto, are the page numbers.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Jun 2, 2017 23:03:48 GMT -5
I was impressed with Corbyn after last nights QT. I was always going to be voting Labour anyway but bias aside, May looks a very weak leader. She doesnt inspire confidence in me, her broken promises and lack of extra funding for our public services is very worrying. Corbyn comes acoss as much more composed. I feel the publics attitude to immigration has somewhat been more sympathetic lately but there is obviously a big section of the country very concerned with our mass immigration. This is the only area of concern I have with a Labour government but in all honesty I cant see the Tories getting it under control either, by not setting immigration targets, Labour are not treating the public as fools by giving them false hope because they know rightly it's unattainable to get it down to the tens of thousands like the Tories claim. Raising corporation tax in a post Brexit economy surely is not a good idea, we need every opportunity available to remain competitive once we are faced with any resulting trade barriers. I also do not agree with putting the minimum wage up to £10, but thats an argument for another day.
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