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Post by RSCTom on May 22, 2017 8:25:49 GMT -5
Anybody watch?? I've only seen the first two episodes of the new season and I was so happy. I'm going to be going nuts waiting to watch the other two today.
How does everyone feel/think? Try to be courteous with spoilers incase there's anyone who moseys in here with curiosity who maybe haven't seen any of it yet.
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Post by punksnotdead on May 22, 2017 14:38:02 GMT -5
I've only watched Episodes 1 and 2 as well, but so far, so good. I was totally fascinated by the box scene and then the time loop that took us back to that moment at the end. Wherein, we essentially see Coop in the lens of a giant camera. Seems like there is some symbolism there but what it is yet, I'm not sure. I also don't know if that was supposed to be Red Room Coop trying to cross back into the normal world, but Bob fought his way out and killed the couple? Maybe that gets answered in Episode 3.
I did leave the episode confused as to what the mystery is supposed to be, assuming the above is true. I think we assume that Evil Bob Coop is responsible for all of the dead people we've seen so far. We know Bob needs to return but why does Coop need to return to TP/Earth/Normal World? That was the part I wasn't clear on.
There was some seriously fun Easter Eggs. I'm not sure if Lynch is trying to clearly say everything he does fits inside this world, so obviously Mulholland Drive since we saw the dumpster creature, and then Inland Empire, which is what I got out of the bunny Bob card, or if he just wants you to use those as clues for what we're seeing.
I'm going to say my one complaint is that it's certainly more FWWM than TPS1. I think maybe that was to be expected but I think the reason Coop has lasted all of these years as a pop culture favorite is because of his whimsical dialogue and iron will. We didn't get any of that in the first part. I know the focus is on Bob Coop but the entire kickoff to the show felt so dark and suffocating. Maybe that changes over time, but I think the most we got of that old world was the bar scene at the end and then the brief Lucy and Andy dialogue. So I do hope we get more quirkiness than we've seen to this point. I think he's working in reverse. Season 2 was all about Coop spiraling downward and Bob essentially getting loose. Seems like the idea here is to put Bob back in the bottle. Tons more story to go though. I can't wait to see more. I'm hoping to get to episodes 3 and 4 tonight or tomorrow.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 6, 2017 12:29:53 GMT -5
I continue to be confused at how Caleb Landry Jones gets actings gigs. He's awful.
I'm pretty sure I understand the Dougie/Coop situation but it's kind of starting to drag for me. I think DL is trying to be ironic in that all of those pieces are falling around him and he's essentially a step up from Weekend at Bernies right now. So the strange chain of events that is life and the wheel continues to spin and what not. I did laugh at some of the office scenarios.
Bob/Coop is terrifying.
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Post by RSCTom on Jun 6, 2017 14:32:03 GMT -5
I was just going to come in here and see what you thought. I don't really have an opinion on that dude's acting but I thought he played a tweaker pretty well and I also know that DL definitely has a clear preference to sometimes wooden and melodramatic personalities throughout his body of work.
To be honest as much as I want an answer to Dougie/Cooper I love every second of it. He could honestly escalate it for episodes more and I'd be super attached. It's sad but it also carries so much weird thematic imagery. That office insurance job, the unhappy marriage, someone just kind of coasting through their professional adult life and seeing themselves as something they aren't (or never were), etc. When the ends do begin to meet I can only imagine that it's going to just feel so strange and bizarre. 25 years of buildup, what's a few more weeks of action, you know? I'd say just try to look at it from some different lenses and see if it makes you feel less bored with it.
Every one of these episodes so far has FLOWN by for me. I can't remember the last time I watch something that I just can't believe it's over so quickly. I'm glued and it feels like only 5 minutes went by for me each time. I think it's because I just literally have absolutely no clear expectation of what's coming next. From seeing evil Coop for the first time all the way to current Bob/Coop, it's just surprise after surprise and I truly just don't know where/what direction it could go. I don't know if we'll ever be able to experience this type of viewing for pretty much anything again in our lifetime so I'm trying to take it all in.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 7, 2017 10:14:41 GMT -5
I was really moved by Doug-Coop staring at the boy in the backseat. I'm guessing it was meant for him to be broken over the life he could have had but never got because he was trapped. Regardless of intent, that's how I took it and it really kind of just broke me, as I can't imagine my own life now without my family. I just envisioned Coop imagining a life he could have had with Annie.
The imagery is highs and lows for me. Like I thought Coop fixated on the statue was fantastic at the end. It's like he knows exactly who he is, and it's right on the tip of his tongue, but he can't pull it together. He's standing in front of that statue until it comes out.
One thing I forgot to mention was that I did love that we are getting more of Jeffries' story, but it hurts my soul that we no longer have Bowie. So that's sort of a bittersweet scenario. The Chet Desmond portion and the Jeffries disappearance of FWWM are really the only parts of that movie I love. So getting elaboration on that piece of the story is so welcomed. So tying anything between Teresa Banks leading to Coop, the blue rose, getting the connection between Buenos Aires and the BL or FBI Headquarters is all very exciting to me. It seems like he's unraveling the Judy and black box theory. We know that Jeffries disappeared to the Black Lodge (above the convenient store) and we know that he has seemingly been dealing with Bob-Coop for years, and even Albert.
I agree the episodes have flown by. I think we're definitely still in the first act. I think that's why I've grown a bit impatient with Doug-Coop. He's laying the groundwork in so many other areas and Doug-Coop is a lot of interruptive dance compared to the other portions of the story. It's not that I dislike it, either. The casino stuff was hilariously amazing, HEEELLLLLLOOOOOO!!!!! It's just that my impatience to see the Coop that I love back and in control is starting to consume me, which I'm sure is probably the point. If I were to guess, DL probably wants us to feel a bit like Coop in that we're trapped just waiting for this character that we love to burst out and be his old self again. He's going to make us earn it.
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Post by RSCTom on Jun 19, 2017 11:32:24 GMT -5
The slow burn continues and we're getting bit by bit each time, but I wanted to come in and say how this episode is definitely more of the old school 'Twin Peaks' than any others so far, so it should make a lot of people happy. I also popped big for Coop's ninja skills coming out. It almost makes me feel like we might end up with a happy ending here.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 19, 2017 14:45:43 GMT -5
I love that even after he was a ninja cobra, he still tried to touch the badge on the cop haha.
But yeah, definitely. Laura's diary pages, Annie and Coop being mentioned in her dreams prior to her death in said pages, the Great Northern scenes with the key returning, a Renault behind a bar talking about whores, Doc Hayward, FINALLY getting mention of Audrey, and of course the identification of Garland Briggs in a younger dead body, the last man to (non) coincidentally see Coop on his way out of Twin Peaks. Lots of plot (puzzle) pieces put into play in episode 7. Most definitely the most season 1 tone episode we've had so far in this new go-round.
I thought Diane was fantastic. Like man does she bring an edgy kind of Coop charm to the screen. I thought all of her moments were scene stealers. I think we're led to believe that Evil Coop just rapes women at will. Most likely Audrey and most definitely Diane. Dern and Naomi Watts have both added a ton to the show in a very short period of time. Watts talking for Dougie is hysterical.
Great episode imo.
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Post by RSCTom on Jun 26, 2017 15:38:22 GMT -5
...well, there goes everything I thought I knew!
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 28, 2017 11:00:37 GMT -5
I've watched it twice.
I still haven't even come close to digesting it. The most I've been able to gather is that the invention of the atomic bomb opened up the space between our world and some kind of dark dimension, so a battle ground between the white and black lodge. In doing so, Bob materialized, out of air, and was born into this world, our world. The Giant gives birth to Laura Palmer (or TMFAP's cousin)? So she is potentially the force of good that can return to Earth on more than one occasion. This means Laura isn't really human and we need to stop thinking about her on a linear timeline.
That brings us to the Locust-Frog. Which I honestly thought was revolting. It climbs into "girl's" mouth and plants the seed for something that will undoubtedly tie to Twin Peaks, circa 1990ish. Who is girl. Who is boy. Are we finally going to find out who Richard and Linda are and what 430 is supposed to mean? That is riveting to me, and even more compelling than learning Bob's origin, which was fun, but not something I thought I needed until I saw it.
As far as the main story, we assume Bob has left Evil Coop. So now is Evil Coop vulnerable? A mystery for another time, but we know the showdown between Evil Coop and Dougie Coop is inventible. Is Dougie Coop able to return Evil Coop to the Red Room? I have no idea. I think we assume that Evil Coop created Dougie (The Arm) to take his place in the Red Room when the time came so he could stay on Earth forever. Instead, Good Coop switched into Dougie and Arm Coop entered the Red Room. If Dougie Coop can defeat Evil Coop, then Evil Coop reunites with Arm Coop as one being in the Red Room. I realize how absolutely batsh*t crazy that must sound to someone who doesn't watch this show...
I'm going to try and read some about Aleister Crowley this week. It seems like understanding Jack Parsons and his relationship with Marjorie Cameron is kind of the skeleton for where the White/Black Lodge ideology was created. The whole Babalon stuff seems like a slippery slope though of learning more than is necessary to interpret what simply "is" with Lynch.
I neither really like, nor dislike, this episode. It really, truly, just exists for me. It's a piece of the puzzle. I'm not a 2001 fan. So the homage to Kubrick had zero emotional affect on me. I think this episode was as much a means to an end as it was abstract art. I mean he put a NIN music video in the middle of it. I really think he's self aware that the art he's created has immediately made people look for clues in places where there is no substance. So I'm happy to let people have their abstract art episode, but I only need the story elements from this one. I'm sure I'm the minority from most Lynch fans in that regard, but he'a making it more-and-more clear, to me, that he has an end game. That was the rush for me coming off this episode.
Again though, I'll dig a little and dwell on this one for a week, but I'm not going to let it linger. Episode 7 has been the apex for me so far. After watching 8, I'm thinking that was by design. Over the course of 2 episodes, he's somehow managed to find a way to give fans on both sides of the TP fandom exactly what they want, at least from my perspective. Wild episode. He's got a pair of nuts on him for putting it on TV. I'm not sure I would have put this in front of the off week, either. This gives people who hate this side of the show an opportunity to check out and not check back in. Hopefully that doesn't happen because we're starting to get into the heart of the show now.
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Post by RSCTom on Jun 30, 2017 12:44:16 GMT -5
I've watched it twice. I still haven't even come close to digesting it. The most I've been able to gather is that the invention of the atomic bomb opened up the space between our world and some kind of dark dimension, so a battle ground between the white and black lodge. In doing so, Bob materialized, out of air, and was born into this world, our world. The Giant gives birth to Laura Palmer (or TMFAP's cousin)? So she is potentially the force of good that can return to Earth on more than one occasion. This means Laura isn't really human and we need to stop thinking about her on a linear timeline. That brings us to the Locust-Frog. Which I honestly thought was revolting. It climbs into "girl's" mouth and plants the seed for something that will undoubtedly tie to Twin Peaks, circa 1990ish. Who is girl. Who is boy. Are we finally going to find out who Richard and Linda are and what 430 is supposed to mean? That is riveting to me, and even more compelling than learning Bob's origin, which was fun, but not something I thought I needed until I saw it. As far as the main story, we assume Bob has left Evil Coop. So now is Evil Coop vulnerable? A mystery for another time, but we know the showdown between Evil Coop and Dougie Coop is inventible. Is Dougie Coop able to return Evil Coop to the Red Room? I have no idea. I think we assume that Evil Coop created Dougie (The Arm) to take his place in the Red Room when the time came so he could stay on Earth forever. Instead, Good Coop switched into Dougie and Arm Coop entered the Red Room. If Dougie Coop can defeat Evil Coop, then Evil Coop reunites with Arm Coop as one being in the Red Room. I realize how absolutely batsh*t crazy that must sound to someone who doesn't watch this show... I'm going to try and read some about Aleister Crowley this week. It seems like understanding Jack Parsons and his relationship with Marjorie Cameron is kind of the skeleton for where the White/Black Lodge ideology was created. The whole Babalon stuff seems like a slippery slope though of learning more than is necessary to interpret what simply "is" with Lynch. I neither really like, nor dislike, this episode. It really, truly, just exists for me. It's a piece of the puzzle. I'm not a 2001 fan. So the homage to Kubrick had zero emotional affect on me. I think this episode was as much a means to an end as it was abstract art. I mean he put a NIN music video in the middle of it. I really think he's self aware that the art he's created has immediately made people look for clues in places where there is no substance. So I'm happy to let people have their abstract art episode, but I only need the story elements from this one. I'm sure I'm the minority from most Lynch fans in that regard, but he'a making it more-and-more clear, to me, that he has an end game. That was the rush for me coming off this episode. Again though, I'll dig a little and dwell on this one for a week, but I'm not going to let it linger. Episode 7 has been the apex for me so far. After watching 8, I'm thinking that was by design. Over the course of 2 episodes, he's somehow managed to find a way to give fans on both sides of the TP fandom exactly what they want, at least from my perspective. Wild episode. He's got a pair of nuts on him for putting it on TV. I'm not sure I would have put this in front of the off week, either. This gives people who hate this side of the show an opportunity to check out and not check back in. Hopefully that doesn't happen because we're starting to get into the heart of the show now. Good, I hope the people that aren't into this go far away and just watch something else. I would literally watch David Lynch directing someone read the newspaper for 18 episodes so if it's too much, people should just bail. I'm so glad it's all already in the can and there's no one to answer to because so far it's been awesome. Great observations also. I would keep in mind that "Dougie Coop" is really our actual Coop just living out Dougie's life. So he is a completely independent person, and the original Cooper (hence the key in the pocket, etc). Dougie ended up as that gold bead. So I don't know that he actually 'switched' with Dougie, but is just taking his place while all these people mold him into whatever they want him to be haha
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 11:56:20 GMT -5
This is still stuck in my head.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 13:15:32 GMT -5
I thought I was the only one who flopped my arms...
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Jul 17, 2017 13:18:20 GMT -5
Im waiting for it to come out on dvd, I havent got Sky Atlantic and would rather watch them back to back. You need quite the brain to understand what goes on in Twin Peaks from one week to the next! Such a pitty Michael Onkean is not in this season as well as Lara Flynn Boyle.
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Post by Halloween King on Jul 18, 2017 2:01:24 GMT -5
What is Twin Peaks exactly?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 4:55:00 GMT -5
What is Twin Peaks exactly? SUPER condensed summary. It's about the mysterious events of a murder involving a small town's prom queen.
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Post by RSCTom on Jul 18, 2017 11:55:19 GMT -5
*SPOILERS*
What do y'all ultimately think is going to happen to good Cooper? Just thinking about the fact that he's stuck in this fantastical situation where really no one in their right mind would ever believe is real, I feel like he's going to have to take the ultimate bullet one way or another and take responsibility for all the wrong doings, etc. It's like we're so close to having this heroic, true-to-goodness person we all love back but will never get him because evil (Mr. C) and Dougie (pure laziness and chance) are what we're made of. I can't imagine any scenario where Coop doesn't get defeated, sacrifice himself, or best case scenario get to slip into Dougie's shoes and live out the rest of his life in secret (which isn't a horrible thing I guess but still not what we'd all hoped). I just don't see him slipping back into crime fighting mode and making up for 25 years of ultimately what can be considered non-existence. I just keep thinking of the giant saying in the first episode that it 'can't be said aloud now'. Any thoughts?
*END SPOILERS*
Also thought I was the only one who flops their arms. Arm floppers unite
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 1, 2017 13:44:35 GMT -5
Audrey ing Horne ladies and gents! I was a little thrown by her dialogue. Like I think she was talking about Richard taking the truck that ran over the kid. I think we were supposed to walk away from that scene thinking Richard and Chuck are seemingly the same person? I think it would be totally off the wall if Audrey wasn't looped into the whole Richard situation. Audrey seems to definitely be his mom, but I think the real mystery is who is his dad. I think easy money is on evil Coop. Seems like there is a ton more to be revealed about what happened to her around the time Coop disappeared. Dougie Coop getting hit with the baseball was hilarious. I really enjoyed getting crazy Sarah Palmer in the super market and Hawk going to her house afterwards was a fun walk down memory lane as well. Curious if that is leading to the return of Laura in some capacity, which goes back to the Kubrick episode that Laura is an entity for good that can return. The French lady scene felt like Lynch poking fun at the audience. Almost like he knew ahead of time that people would be at this "hurry up and get on with it" point in the plot. We are Albert in that metaphor haha. I have to appreciate his sense of humor. I think people are going to really digest this season when they can watch it Netflix style but what a fun/goofy moment for those of us watching the return in real time. I'm going to pop Royal Rumble 2011 return of Diesel style if we get the return of Chet Desmond at some point in the next few episodes. I didn't think it would happen but he's really flirting with that idea with the Diane story imo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 11:03:19 GMT -5
Curious if that is leading to the return of Laura in some capacity, which goes back to the Kubrick episode that Laura is an entity for good that can return. I'm sure she'll turnip soon.
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Post by RSCTom on Sept 22, 2017 12:22:53 GMT -5
So...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 12:25:59 GMT -5
Are you going to tell me what year it is?
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