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Post by Focalin on May 23, 2017 17:12:24 GMT -5
Where is the love?
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Post by Nivro™ on May 23, 2017 17:12:25 GMT -5
Not misguided just being real and looking at things from a higher perspective. Yes it is sad what happened today, but there needs to be a solution to stop it and stop thinking the problem will go away cuz it wont. Misguided that you think no terrorist attacks will happen in America while Trump is President? Yes, you are very sorely misguided and naive. Sadly this is becoming the new normal and our politicians are refusing to acknowledge that it's a problem. At least the US has Trump. The only thing Trump has done is try to enact a travel ban. Guess what? That wouldn't have prevented this terrorist attack. This came from a British national, someone who has probably lived and worked here his entire life.How is stopping people coming into a country going to prevent people already in it from committing atrocities? Same way I've seen people try to claim letting refugees into the country has anything to do with it. It's complete nonsense, but hey, anything to further their own prejudices and beliefs. Technically yes, he was a British National however his parents were Libyan refugees. It essentially shows that while letting the "good" people in, you're opening yourself up for generations of "bad" people. If a travel ban was in place in whatever year his family fled, then this COULD have been prevented. Not only that he made multiple trips to radical islamic countries which would have been flagged. There is clearly an out of hand situation in the middle east and there has been for number of years/decades. Until they fix their own problems, I dont think the United States, England or any other domesticated country should be taking these people in.
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Post by Teenage Ike on May 23, 2017 17:13:13 GMT -5
I highly doubt it cuz ever since the travel ban has been in progress most bombings have been out in the UK instead of the U.S., it's unlikely for it to happen here now. again rethink that, travel ban or not it can still happen here. Ever hear of domestic terrorist? It can and probably will happen here. Is the "ban" even being upheld? Last I heard, it was struck down.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 23, 2017 17:29:54 GMT -5
Misguided that you think no terrorist attacks will happen in America while Trump is President? Yes, you are very sorely misguided and naive. Oh look ISIS took responsibility of the bombing, sorry I'm not delusional and live in a fairy tale. Since the travel ban has been in progress there have been no bombing attacks or terrorist attacks in the U.S. I'm just going off by facts. While I want to agree with you, I think you need better wordage on what you're trying to put across. First the travel ban was in effect for all of like a day. Once the courts shot it down its not been in effect. Secondly I think you're misusing the term terrorist attack. I feel you're cooping it up with just bombings/suicide bombers. There's been 4 incidents already of Islamic/converted Islamic violence in the US already. The difference with these incidents were that people were gunned down instead of using an explosive device. Its easy to miss these because the liberal media uses the incidents to tout the agenda of gun control instead of the real problem which is Islamic terrorism. Again, Im wanting to agree with you because I do feel a ban on these undomesticated countries is what is right and safe for our and many other countries, the left is just keeping it from happening because they still see the world as sunshine, rainbows and unicorns.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on May 23, 2017 17:44:47 GMT -5
Misguided that you think no terrorist attacks will happen in America while Trump is President? Yes, you are very sorely misguided and naive. The only thing Trump has done is try to enact a travel ban. Guess what? That wouldn't have prevented this terrorist attack. This came from a British national, someone who has probably lived and worked here his entire life.How is stopping people coming into a country going to prevent people already in it from committing atrocities? Same way I've seen people try to claim letting refugees into the country has anything to do with it. It's complete nonsense, but hey, anything to further their own prejudices and beliefs. Technically yes, he was a British National however his parents were Libyan refugees. It essentially shows that while letting the "good" people in, you're opening yourself up for generations of "bad" people. If a travel ban was in place in whatever year his family fled, then this COULD have been prevented. Not only that he made multiple trips to radical islamic countries which would have been flagged. There is clearly an out of hand situation in the middle east and there has been for number of years/decades. Until they fix their own problems, I dont think the United States, England or any other domesticated country should be taking these people in. Even if you don't allow anyone else into your country ever again, there's still going to be bad people living there who will commit crimes and kill people. Look at all the mass shootings in America. Just because it's from "one of your own" doesn't make it any better. How many refugees has the UK taken in over the last few decades? Thousands? And how many have committed terror attacks? Just this guy to my knowledge. So thousands of people should have been turned away and possibly left to die because of one idiot? I don't get that logic. "If a travel ban was in place in whatever year his family fled, then this COULD have been prevented" - that's like saying the UK should never have let Irish people into the country because banning them would have prevented the IRA bombings that killed more people than any Islamic terrorist attacks have. The UK and the United States will always have problems they need to fix.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 23, 2017 18:01:38 GMT -5
Technically yes, he was a British National however his parents were Libyan refugees. It essentially shows that while letting the "good" people in, you're opening yourself up for generations of "bad" people. If a travel ban was in place in whatever year his family fled, then this COULD have been prevented. Not only that he made multiple trips to radical islamic countries which would have been flagged. There is clearly an out of hand situation in the middle east and there has been for number of years/decades. Until they fix their own problems, I dont think the United States, England or any other domesticated country should be taking these people in. Even if you don't allow anyone else into your country ever again, there's still going to be bad people living there who will commit crimes and kill people. Look at all the mass shootings in America. Just because it's from "one of your own" doesn't make it any better. How many refugees has the UK taken in over the last few decades? Thousands? And how many have committed terror attacks? Just this guy to my knowledge. So thousands of people should have been turned away and possibly left to die because of one idiot? I don't get that logic. "If a travel ban was in place in whatever year his family fled, then this COULD have been prevented" - that's like saying the UK should never have let Irish people into the country because banning them would have prevented the IRA bombings that killed more people than any Islamic terrorist attacks have. The UK and the United States will always have problems they need to fix. I cant speak on the UK exactly (hell I wont lie I probably cant name every country that makes up the UK) but Europe as a whole has been filled with refugees/terrorists hiding as refugees for quite some time. Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Madrid and now Manchester have all been directly related to refugees. Europe has been the most "open armed" region for refugees and they're also the ones that seemingly have the most violence. Im not saying that all refugees are terrible people but at a point you have to ask yourself, is allowing 100 people into my country, some of which are very likely not "good people" worth risking the lives of my mother, father, child etc? Yes there is problem already in this country but just because you have an out of control fire burning doesnt mean you throw more gas on it and hope it burns out. You put the fire out.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on May 23, 2017 18:39:10 GMT -5
Even if you don't allow anyone else into your country ever again, there's still going to be bad people living there who will commit crimes and kill people. Look at all the mass shootings in America. Just because it's from "one of your own" doesn't make it any better. How many refugees has the UK taken in over the last few decades? Thousands? And how many have committed terror attacks? Just this guy to my knowledge. So thousands of people should have been turned away and possibly left to die because of one idiot? I don't get that logic. "If a travel ban was in place in whatever year his family fled, then this COULD have been prevented" - that's like saying the UK should never have let Irish people into the country because banning them would have prevented the IRA bombings that killed more people than any Islamic terrorist attacks have. The UK and the United States will always have problems they need to fix. I cant speak on the UK exactly (hell I wont lie I probably cant name every country that makes up the UK) but Europe as a whole has been filled with refugees/terrorists hiding as refugees for quite some time. Paris, Brussels, Berlin, Madrid and now Manchester have all been directly related to refugees. Europe has been the most "open armed" region for refugees and they're also the ones that seemingly have the most violence. Im not saying that all refugees are terrible people but at a point you have to ask yourself, is allowing 100 people into my country, some of which are very likely not "good people" worth risking the lives of my mother, father, child etc? Yes there is problem already in this country but just because you have an out of control fire burning doesnt mean you throw more gas on it and hope it burns out. You put the fire out. For reference, the United Kingdom consists of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. I think you are confusing refugees and immigrants. Those are two very different things. For instance the five men linked with the Brussels attack emigrated to Belgium but I haven't seen anything saying that they or their families were refugees. "Im not saying that all refugees are terrible people but at a point you have to ask yourself, is allowing 100 people into my country, some of which are very likely not "good people" worth risking the lives of my mother, father, child etc?" - couldn't you say that for ANYONE who enters the United States?
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on May 23, 2017 18:47:32 GMT -5
invite them in and they will come...
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on May 23, 2017 18:47:55 GMT -5
again rethink that, travel ban or not it can still happen here. Ever hear of domestic terrorist? It can and probably will happen here. Is the "ban" even being upheld? Last I heard, it was struck down. As far as I know it really isn't being upheld.
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Post by underjohngrohs on May 23, 2017 22:17:07 GMT -5
I just found on CNN that a 15-year old passed away.
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Post by underjohngrohs on May 23, 2017 22:19:07 GMT -5
And they found out that a missing girl named Laura was found in a hospital.
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Post by Darkhawk on May 24, 2017 13:02:47 GMT -5
I highly doubt it cuz ever since the travel ban has been in progress most bombings have been out in the UK instead of the U.S., it's unlikely for it to happen here now. again rethink that, travel ban or not it can still happen here. Ever hear of domestic terrorist? It can and probably will happen here. Yes I very aware that it can happen here, all it takes is one person with a sick mind to do it.
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Post by Darkhawk on May 24, 2017 13:05:23 GMT -5
again rethink that, travel ban or not it can still happen here. Ever hear of domestic terrorist? It can and probably will happen here. Is the "ban" even being upheld? Last I heard, it was struck down. It has been struck down but not fully as the banned is still in full effect in most airports.
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Post by Darkhawk on May 24, 2017 13:28:46 GMT -5
Oh look ISIS took responsibility of the bombing, sorry I'm not delusional and live in a fairy tale. Since the travel ban has been in progress there have been no bombing attacks or terrorist attacks in the U.S. I'm just going off by facts. While I want to agree with you, I think you need better wordage on what you're trying to put across. First the travel ban was in effect for all of like a day. Once the courts shot it down its not been in effect. Secondly I think you're misusing the term terrorist attack. I feel you're cooping it up with just bombings/suicide bombers. There's been 4 incidents already of Islamic/converted Islamic violence in the US already. The difference with these incidents were that people were gunned down instead of using an explosive device. Its easy to miss these because the liberal media uses the incidents to tout the agenda of gun control instead of the real problem which is Islamic terrorism. Again, Im wanting to agree with you because I do feel a ban on these undomesticated countries is what is right and safe for our and many other countries, the left is just keeping it from happening because they still see the world as sunshine, rainbows and unicorns. I don't think I'm misusing "terrorist attack" at all since that's what it's called, ISIS and the news claim that's what it is so it is the correct term to use. Regardless of it's a terrorists attack or a suicide bombing it's related to ISIS. And you're not wrong on the ban, it needs to happen. It's as if you're inviting people you don't know into your house with your family around. You don't know if those people will harm them or not. Hopefully the UK will have a solution to their problem, cuz they've been attacked for the 2-3rd time now.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Cinnamon! on May 24, 2017 13:48:20 GMT -5
And people said the travel ban was a bad idea...
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on May 24, 2017 14:53:37 GMT -5
And people said the travel ban was a bad idea... How would a travel ban have stopped someone who already lives in this country from blowing us up?
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 15:17:42 GMT -5
I read ISIS has taken "credit" for this. I think terrorist organizations will say they did it only for more publicity of fear. Just my opinion.
This is a terrible thing and I feel sorry for the ones lost and injured and all of their family members who will suffer because of this.
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Post by Halloween King on May 26, 2017 3:05:21 GMT -5
I have been warned about posting threads with mentions of violence in them in the past, and yet this thread is ok?
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 6:32:59 GMT -5
Oh look ISIS took responsibility of the bombing, sorry I'm not delusional and live in a fairy tale. Since the travel ban has been in progress there have been no bombing attacks or terrorist attacks in the U.S. I'm just going off by facts. You are in for a rude awakening, my friend. If Britain had a Trump style travel ban in effect, this attack wouldn't have happened. The terrorist had just returned to the UK from Libya and Syria. Obviously attacks can and will happen unless there's a way to fix the damage unleashed into western civilised countries by mass uncontrolled immigration, but the fact remains that THIS particular attack could not have occurred if Britain had a Trump style travel ban.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 6:37:54 GMT -5
For reference this terrorist's father was an Al-Queda affiliate who was working as SECURITY in an AIR PORT.
There is a serious, serious issue here, and it needs to be addressed before even more innocent people die. Mass uncontrolled immigration is bad for everyone, be it Brits or honest, decent Muslims who want to embrace western civilised society and are having their entire life tarnished by evil losers.
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