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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on May 24, 2017 8:22:01 GMT -5
I've been wondering, who is at fault on these canceled exclusives and sets, etc. MDT, the stores? Going to share my thoughts. Would like to hear yours
Walgreens - Basic Cena - seems like a cool enough Basic that is different from most others. A Flashback of sorts without really being a FB. I assume the first Walgreens Basic exclusive killed its chances? A plain Rock that we've seemingly had 20 times. My question is who greenlit that Rock as the kickoff exclusive. Doomed from the start
- Elite HBK (DX) - great choice, whoever came up with it. Maybe overordering killed Triple H's chances (and Sasha if she ever was going to be the 3rd)
Wal Mart - I'm not sure what happened with the BAF line but I wouldn't consider the Paul Bearer set to be a failure. Y2J and Neville were hits, Undertaker always sells, Rusev always warms. Someone had to know that going in. Maybe it was just a case of dropping it in favor of the cheaper TNF Basics and not really based on performance (Sucks for us that wanted Mean Gene, and IMO Cesaro would've been the only true shelfwarmer here)
GameStop - I'm not sure what's going on here. Looks like all the GameStops around me have gone away from most action figures. But that Elite Brock probably didn't help entice them to push through and get that Samoa Joe. That Brock was a bad way to start a new relationship (of sorts)
Not going to get into Target. Too many different problems there I just hope the NXT line doesn't experience the same issues as HOF stuff has
And this is not a new trend either. Just think back to the TRU exclusive Legends 2 packs. The choices made to start that series were laughable and doomed to fail from the start
My question for you is, does Mattel (WWE) lack the ability to think long term relationships with these retailers (exclusive wise). Maybe they need to step in and limit or at the very least give realistic expectations on how many are produced (the Target HOF 2 packs and 4 packs I'm looking at you!!). If they don't then it's going to be a cycle that repeats itself or a cycle that just stops all together
This is NOT bashing Bill or anything like that. I love this line. But you don't have to be a business major to see that some better choices need to be made so that these sets and lines continue
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on May 24, 2017 9:44:38 GMT -5
Not sure how to answer your question. Sometimes I myself wonder about the decisions made behind these sets. I don't want to buy a bunch of basics to get a mean gene oakerland, but I get it. It probably won't sell best on it's own. Why not just make it a matty exclusive? I just know that I don't have a freakin Walmart, so I'm never able to get the tnw figures so I I have to resort to the internet.
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Post by jfinnomore on May 24, 2017 10:20:08 GMT -5
didn't Bill say Walmart didn't order the Mean Gene set though Mattel had them ready for them? So I'd place that blame on Wally
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Post by MWFD on May 24, 2017 10:40:20 GMT -5
Not to start an unfounded rumor, but is Target's HOF line going to continue in addition to the NXT line? I am not a collector of NXT figures (or any figure post '98/'99 for that matter) so I haven't read up on the new NXT figures that were just announced but it looks like from OPs post here that they are Target exclusives. If so, has Mattel given any indication about the current HOF line and if it will be impacted? I sure hope not but I'm not sure if Target would be doing 2 separate "exclusive" lines, especially with the outbound issues the HOF line has had the past year or so. MattelDesignTeam any info you can share?
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Post by PJ on May 24, 2017 10:42:36 GMT -5
With the TRU Legends 2-packs I still say it was overproduction. My local store had over 100 cases of them. So at 2 sets per case that was at least 200 of each three sets that my store had to move. Jakks CSTT they never got more than 3-4 cases of any assortment. That is alot of the same set that one store needed to move. Not sure how to answer your question. Sometimes I myself wonder about the decisions made behind these sets. I don't want to buy a bunch of basics to get a mean gene oakerland, but I get it. It probably won't sell best on it's own. Why not just make it a matty exclusive? I just know that I don't have a freakin Walmart, so I'm never able to get the tnw figures so I I have to resort to the internet. Pretty sure they closed Matty.com down after Christmas last year.
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Post by Mongo Bears on May 24, 2017 10:57:59 GMT -5
Build a figure is just a stupid idea. I never saw the bearer set at any Walmart. I used to love the HOF series but I can't get excited anymore because it takes way too long to get to stores and hof4 was a complete pass for me anyways. I've not had any interest in the Walgreens or GameStop exclusives.
I'm an elite flashback collector so I've just been more interested in the main line, but now I'm worried because e53 looks to have no flashbacks. I'm about to give up. Thank god for the ringside exclusive storm Hollywood figure.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on May 24, 2017 11:19:01 GMT -5
Not sure how to answer your question. Sometimes I myself wonder about the decisions made behind these sets. I don't want to buy a bunch of basics to get a mean gene oakerland, but I get it. It probably won't sell best on it's own. Why not just make it a matty exclusive? I just know that I don't have a freakin Walmart, so I'm never able to get the tnw figures so I I have to resort to the internet. Because MattyCollector sucked and died last year
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 11:20:40 GMT -5
I hate the format of build a figures
Imo
If i were a golden era fan and wanted mean gene , and the mean gene b.a.f was a flashback line with Haku, Barbarian, Warrior and macho man.... and lets say i only really want warrior and macho man, im much more compelled to complete the set knowing im getting 3 figures for the price of 2
Now the format that they have it now where i have to buy 4 modern guys i dont care one bit for, just to get a flashback b.a.f, well its much harder for me to want to spend the $80 canadian just for one figure
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on May 24, 2017 11:25:26 GMT -5
It has to be the stores fault? The figures have been made but haven't been stocked.
On a side note; BAF is brilliant from a money making standpoint, having to buy 4 figures you probably don't want to get an elite you do is genius. However I can totally see why it'd annoy people.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 11:28:16 GMT -5
Mean Gene was in both WWE & WCW so he should have widespread appeal IMO. Having said that though, If TPTB don't think he would sell well on his own then stick him in a 2-pack with someone who will sell well- one of the top tier guys that he has interviewed over the years.
I disagree, I think Walmart was right in not ordering this set as they already have enough figures warming the shelves at their stores (hence the reason for the recall that recently took place).
I have been wondering the same thing ever since I read on here about this new Target exclusive. Given the horrible distribution of the HOF line, I can actually see it being discontinued with Series 5 being the last set in the line. Hopefully they put out at least 1 more set of 2-packs.
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on May 24, 2017 11:32:34 GMT -5
Can't really speak for other countries but BAF Basics here aren't a bad deal. I mean a $13 each you get 5 figures for $52. One is always garbage (Rusev, Cesaro). But still you can get back $4 or $5 off of them. But I understand WTF does Xpac, Triple H, Seth and Cesaro have to do with 80's Mean Gene.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 11:34:11 GMT -5
It has to be the stores fault? The figures have been made but haven't been stocked. On a side note; BAF is brilliant from a money making standpoint, having to buy 4 figures you probably don't want to get an elite you do is genius. However I can totally see why it'd annoy people. Definetly not trying to argue with you but ive heard that before, i think its a horrible format for many reasons. it targets the wallets of the hardcore collector and deters the casual collector, theres no way that a person who collects only a few figures here or there would buy 4 figures they didnt want just for 1 they did. And honestly i dont think mattels b.a.f line has ever done well here , marvel legends has a good format imo, your already buying x men figures? Well, buy the whole set and we will give you this awesome juggernaut figure whos a part of the x men universe anyhow so it makes sense right? Anyways, thats just my opinion, i could be very wrong but i really dont think mattels recent b.a.f format makes any sense at all Again, im not trying to argue with you , it just irritates me that paul bearer and mean gene both cost a flashback collector like myself around $80 each
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 11:48:14 GMT -5
It has to be the stores fault? The figures have been made but haven't been stocked. On a side note; BAF is brilliant from a money making standpoint, having to buy 4 figures you probably don't want to get an elite you do is genius. However I can totally see why it'd annoy people. Definetly not trying to argue with you but ive heard that before, i think its a horrible format for many reasons. it targets the wallets of the hardcore collector and deters the casual collector, theres no way that a person who collects only a few figures here or there would buy 4 figures they didnt want just for 1 they did. And honestly i dont think mattels b.a.f line has ever done well here , marvel legends has a good format imo, your already buying x men figures? Well, buy the whole set and we will give you this awesome juggernaut figure whos a part of the x men universe anyhow so it makes sense right? Anyways, thats just my opinion, i could be very wrong but i really dont think mattels recent b.a.f format makes any sense at all Again, im not trying to argue with you , it just irritates me that paul bearer and mean gene both cost a flashback collector like myself around $80 each You are not wrong at all Apocalypse, you are spot on as far as I am concerned. The BAF concept might be good in theory but Mattel's execution of it has been terrible IMO. You hit on the same problem that I have with this line- the 4 figures you have to buy to the get BAF have nothing to do with the BAF?! It looks like they randomly chose 4 figures and threw them together and said 'here, if you want Mean Gene, you have to buy these 4 guys'. Mean Gene appeals mainly (if not solely) to old school collectors, therefore the 4 figures should have been wrestlers from the eras that Mean Gene was a part of- Golden era for WWE and NWO era for WCW.
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Post by powerfred3k on May 24, 2017 12:19:55 GMT -5
It's simple supply and demand, the demand right now is low. It may be the lowest ever in the jakks and Mattel era. This is why I highly questioned how wwe figures where #1 last year in sales.
There is no way 2017 for Mattel will be a positive year money wise. The tons of WWE figures they pulled from every Walmart should guarantee it.
Also look at the ratings on wwe shows post mania. People are just really losing interest in wwe. Look at how many hardcore collectors have bailed here on the forums in the last year. Also prices on wwe figures have stayed the same or went up.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on May 24, 2017 13:23:33 GMT -5
I hate the format of build a figures Imo If i were a golden era fan and wanted mean gene , and the mean gene b.a.f was a flashback line with Haku, Barbarian, Warrior and macho man.... and lets say i only really want warrior and macho man, im much more compelled to complete the set knowing im getting 3 figures for the price of 2 Now the format that they have it now where i have to buy 4 modern guys i dont care one bit for, just to get a flashback b.a.f, well its much harder for me to want to spend the $80 canadian just for one figure But they know we want it and will spend it. The problem is when a kid cant afford all 4 buys one or two and then theres an incomplete set left for someone who can spend the full amount. Thats the real problem. JR was so hard to build because there were a million CM Punks, Tons of DelRio, lots of Orton, and almost no Curtis Axel. Other problem there, all 3 guys have multiple elites. Axel this is his first. So a kid or someone that can only afford the one theyre missing is gonna get that one, with the JR torsoand someone else cant finish it. Thats my problem. Most of us can afford it, but never finish or have to go online to finish anyways because of short packing and the general nature of this thing.
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Post by cantu1984 on May 24, 2017 13:35:23 GMT -5
The distribution in my area sucks. I have been waiting patiently for figures to come to online retailers. My Target just got Elite 45, and no HOF Series 3,(My store still has 5 Titos at full price.Clearance that 💩) My Walmart just got Elite 49 and the newest basics. It is hit or miss in my area. I wish these stores would get it together and not let stuff rot on thr shelves for years. Send it to Biglots, 5 Below, Ross, anywhere. Package Mean Gene with a figure young collectors would want. Cena / Mean Gene 2pk or one day Hogan / Mean Gene. I'm sure a little kid gets tired of walking down the toy aisle and seeing the same figure he got 2 holidays ago.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on May 24, 2017 13:41:56 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out the exclusives too.
I saw the Amazon exclusive Andre the Giant as a pre order on another toy website.
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Post by legendsguy on May 24, 2017 13:43:38 GMT -5
Im not sure why these announcers and managers just cant be inserted in basic lines or BP lines.. Heyman, Ricardo, Renee, JBL etc.. all have been in basic form. smh.
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Post by jfinnomore on May 24, 2017 13:59:44 GMT -5
The distribution in my area sucks. I have been waiting patiently for figures to come to online retailers. My Target just got Elite 45, and no HOF Series 3,(My store still has 5 Titos at full price.Clearance that 💩) My Walmart just got Elite 49 and the newest basics. It is hit or miss in my area. I wish these stores would get it together and not let stuff rot on thr shelves for years. Send it to Biglots, 5 Below, Ross, anywhere. Package Mean Gene with a figure young collectors would want. Cena / Mean Gene 2pk or one day Hogan / Mean Gene. I'm sure a little kid gets tired of walking down the toy aisle and seeing the same figure he got 2 holidays ago. I think thats the biggest problem, you can get what you need online WAY before you can in stores, so by the time the stores do get the product it rots.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 14:11:17 GMT -5
I hate the format of build a figures Imo If i were a golden era fan and wanted mean gene , and the mean gene b.a.f was a flashback line with Haku, Barbarian, Warrior and macho man.... and lets say i only really want warrior and macho man, im much more compelled to complete the set knowing im getting 3 figures for the price of 2 Now the format that they have it now where i have to buy 4 modern guys i dont care one bit for, just to get a flashback b.a.f, well its much harder for me to want to spend the $80 canadian just for one figure But they know we want it and will spend it. The problem is when a kid cant afford all 4 buys one or two and then theres an incomplete set left for someone who can spend the full amount. Thats the real problem. JR was so hard to build because there were a million CM Punks, Tons of DelRio, lots of Orton, and almost no Curtis Axel. Other problem there, all 3 guys have multiple elites. Axel this is his first. So a kid or someone that can only afford the one theyre missing is gonna get that one, with the JR torsoand someone else cant finish it. Thats my problem. Most of us can afford it, but never finish or have to go online to finish anyways because of short packing and the general nature of this thing. We make up a small percentage of their customers, im not sure the casual retail customer is as dedicated as we are Agree with your other points though
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