voicesinmyhead
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Joined on: Mar 4, 2009 19:21:00 GMT -5
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Post by voicesinmyhead on Jun 30, 2017 8:59:43 GMT -5
Everyone needs to get over this whole necessary heel turn business. Just because a character currently isn't working, doesn't mean they need to turn heel. These characters are not working simply because of the horrible writing and creative "backing" them. There is no reason that Bayley's loveable character couldn't work on the main roster just because loveable doesn't work. That makes no sense. It is because they do not know how to work with her character. The same goes for Sami. The writing is abysmal. He does not need a heel turn now just to "save" him. Oh FFS are we still blaming everything we dont like on writers? The same writers who got a guy as green as baby crap (Braun) over as hell? The same writers who have gotten 2 NXT afterthought females (Alexa & Carmella) more over then the "big 4"? The same writers that can take Sasha Banks from a title contender to extra on 205 live back to a title contender in the matter of a month? Here's the Budweiser cold hard fact. Bayley isnt connecting with the fans. Its not the writers, its not the fans, its her and her shtick that nobody cares about. Nobody cares that Bayley went to wrestling events as a kid. Nobody cares about Bayley hugs or hair ties. Nobody cares about inflatable Bayley buddies. Bayley has all the in ring talent in the world. Nobody can deny that but if your character doesnt connect to fans then the fans arent going to care about you. This isnt NXT any more. You're not in front of an audience of 1000 people who will eat up any garbage that you throw at them. Bayley NEEDS a change! She needs a drastic change. She needs to completely reinvent her character. There's only 2 ways to do this. 1st is to turn heel and the 2nd is to go back to NXT to redevelop a new face shtick and hope you dont get forgotten about and/or lost in the shuffle. You're not getting my point. I do agree that she needs a change, but there are not only two options. Just because your character is not currently working doesn't mean you have to go back to NXT or turn heel. That's very ignorant. You can "reinvent" your character without having to turn. ANd you are contradicting yourself in your own post. You're saying that Sasha was able to go from title contender to 205 Live to title contender without the crutch of the writers. Well, she also was able to do that without having to change her character. Sasha did not turn heel during that time period at all. Same with Bliss. The only one that did that was Carmella and I don't know what show you are watching but Carmella is not over...
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 30, 2017 9:51:31 GMT -5
Oh FFS are we still blaming everything we dont like on writers? The same writers who got a guy as green as baby crap (Braun) over as hell? The same writers who have gotten 2 NXT afterthought females (Alexa & Carmella) more over then the "big 4"? The same writers that can take Sasha Banks from a title contender to extra on 205 live back to a title contender in the matter of a month? Here's the Budweiser cold hard fact. Bayley isnt connecting with the fans. Its not the writers, its not the fans, its her and her shtick that nobody cares about. Nobody cares that Bayley went to wrestling events as a kid. Nobody cares about Bayley hugs or hair ties. Nobody cares about inflatable Bayley buddies. Bayley has all the in ring talent in the world. Nobody can deny that but if your character doesnt connect to fans then the fans arent going to care about you. This isnt NXT any more. You're not in front of an audience of 1000 people who will eat up any garbage that you throw at them. Bayley NEEDS a change! She needs a drastic change. She needs to completely reinvent her character. There's only 2 ways to do this. 1st is to turn heel and the 2nd is to go back to NXT to redevelop a new face shtick and hope you dont get forgotten about and/or lost in the shuffle. You're not getting my point. I do agree that she needs a change, but there are not only two options. Just because your character is not currently working doesn't mean you have to go back to NXT or turn heel. That's very ignorant. You can "reinvent" your character without having to turn. ANd you are contradicting yourself in your own post. You're saying that Sasha was able to go from title contender to 205 Live to title contender without the crutch of the writers. Well, she also was able to do that without having to change her character. Sasha did not turn heel during that time period at all. Same with Bliss. The only one that did that was Carmella and I don't know what show you are watching but Carmella is not over... Your point is stay the course and the course is leading to a cliff. And no I didnt contradict myself. Sasha has a connection to the fans which literally means the writers can do ANYTHING with her, from title contender to 205 live to whatever and fans are still interested.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jun 30, 2017 13:03:12 GMT -5
Ok guys, "Mean Girl" isnt a character. Thats just being a female heel. Bayley never tapped to Asuka. She never gave up. Hugs, Loyalty, and respect. Huglife. Go hug yourselves....
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Post by blissfan4life on Jun 30, 2017 13:08:51 GMT -5
Ok guys, "Mean Girl" isnt a character. Thats just being a female heel. Bayley never tapped to Asuka. She never gave up. Hugs, Loyalty, and respect. Huglife. Go hug yourselves.... It absolutely is a character.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jun 30, 2017 13:25:29 GMT -5
Ok guys, "Mean Girl" isnt a character. Thats just being a female heel. Bayley never tapped to Asuka. She never gave up. Hugs, Loyalty, and respect. Huglife. Go hug yourselves.... It absolutely is a character. Well then Emma and the two other Australian girls didnt get the memo because thats all their "characters" are. Its what Dana Brooke was until a couple months ago. I just dont see it. But I dont have to be a fan, just like not everyone has to like Bayley. Diffrnt strokes. The people saying Sasha has fans loyal enough they can do whatever is how us hardcore Bayley fans feel about her. Were just happy to see her do her thing. I feel stupid and pointless explaining any of this.
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Post by King Richius on Jun 30, 2017 13:29:00 GMT -5
POOR-ly Cuyler I would agree with you if Alexa was just a girl being mean, like Nia Jax. I don't think that is a character and it doesn't interest me at all. But Alexa is a "mean girl" like we've seen in movies with Sarah Michelle Gellar or Lindsey Lohan as well as portrayed in wrestling to great success by Layla and Michelle McCool (and Velvet Sky/Angeline Love/Madison Rayne in TNA too). In the wrestling world of stereotypes like the "lunatic", the "underdog", the "authority figure", etc. "mean girl" is a character. Also, having seen interviews with Alexa, she is in real life a very sweet and likable young lady yet when she portrays the "mean girl" she does it as well as any I've seen. I respect her for committing to the role and doing everything she can to make it enjoyable. To be cliche, she has made me love to hate her. Bayley isn't even playing a character. In real life she is a fan girl who wanted to be in the WWE. Her character is exactly the same thing. It shouldn't be that hard for her to cut a good promo yet it isn't clicking with many of us. It's not that we don't like her. We just don't care. Whatever. I've said all I'm going to about Bayley and Alexa. We're gonna have to agree to disagree. I still have a hug for you if you want it.
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Post by c-scope on Jun 30, 2017 13:33:59 GMT -5
I ing hate how everyone is arguing like this. Alexa and BAYLEY both have characters. Bayley is the lovable girl who never really grew up, Alexa is a total bitch. They both have characters. And the way you guys are arguing over Bayley needing to turn heel, or be repackaged or something is stupid in my opinion, yeah she's not crazy over like in NXT but like has been said that's partly because it's a bigger audience seeing her now, but Bayley became my favorite women's wrestler the first time I saw her, but I've even found myself less behind her lately cause of her crapty booking. You can say it's her character or you can say it's her booking that's effecting her now, but really it's your opinion, I'm less behind her then I was in NXT cause she's been booked terribly since getting called up, other people think she isn't over because her character just isn't clicking. Either way, I want bayley to succeed on the main roster, and she will or she won't, but I see no sense in arguing over it like you guys have been.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jun 30, 2017 14:50:36 GMT -5
It absolutely is a character. Well then Emma and the two other Australian girls didnt get the memo because thats all their "characters" are. Its what Dana Brooke was until a couple months ago. I just dont see it. But I dont have to be a fan, just like not everyone has to like Bayley. Diffrnt strokes. The people saying Sasha has fans loyal enough they can do whatever is how us hardcore Bayley fans feel about her. Were just happy to see her do her thing. I feel stupid and pointless explaining any of this. Theyre also lovers
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jun 30, 2017 16:49:03 GMT -5
From what I can see fans victimise Bayley and chastise her for things that other women's wrestlers are also guilty of doing.
Bayley is a CHARACTER and a great role model for kids so as far as I'm concerned she's a great asset to the division.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 30, 2017 18:46:59 GMT -5
It absolutely is a character. Well then Emma and the two other Australian girls didnt get the memo because thats all their "characters" are. Its what Dana Brooke was until a couple months ago. I just dont see it. But I dont have to be a fan, just like not everyone has to like Bayley. Diffrnt strokes. The people saying Sasha has fans loyal enough they can do whatever is how us hardcore Bayley fans feel about her. Were just happy to see her do her thing. I feel stupid and pointless explaining any of this. Again, nobody is criticizing the hardcore Bayley fans. If you're a hardcore Bayley fan then by all means be one. The problem where she isnt connecting is with the casual/random womens wrestling fan that doesn't care if she wins or loses or even appears. You even just said, "we're just happy to see her do her thing" which means if she were to change her character or turn heel you would still be fans and she could (hopefully) connect with more fans.
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Post by Tom Baker's Scarf on Jun 30, 2017 19:14:18 GMT -5
As a big Bayley fan, the way she's been handled on the main roster just saddens me.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jun 30, 2017 20:31:20 GMT -5
At the end of the day Bayley gets loud reactions from the audience so if she was failing or not connecting with the fans then why do people waste their breath cheering for her?
If Bayley's reactions dropped to silence then I would worry but ATM the general fans haven't gave up on her.
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