Mr Wrestling Jr.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Jun 22, 2017 7:48:43 GMT -5
This is something I've thought about for a while now and did a quick search and couldn't find anything on the topic so thought I'd bring it up here. The question is, what's wrong with NXT TV? The TakeOver's I think are amazing. Chicago was insane and Orlando was a fitting event for the close to fifth year anniversary of NXT, aside from Section 220 being marks for themselves during Black's debut. No issue with the TakeOver's. The weekly show however, there is something wrong and I'm not sure if it's one thing or a combination of others. Be it the crowd doesn't care anymore or it's the editing or something I'm missing entirely. 1. The crowd not paying attention. Latest episode I noticed several members of the crowd not paying attention during the first two matches. SAnitY vs The Ealy Brothers you can see a few people on their phones not paying attention to the action. If the audience doesn't seem to care about the Ealy Brothers, why keep them around? Sure the match was mostly done to showcase Wolfe and Young but you're at the show, pay attention to what's happening. Who knows what you might miss? 2. The crowd feels entitled. This could be dated back to 2015 when the first Takeover in Brooklyn was held, and for a number of weeks before the show anytime Brooklyn was mentioned, a chorus of boos would ring out. Even got the point where KO had to stop during his promo and berate the fans for booing the progression of NXT. I think that the Full Sail crowd feels somewhat entitled. They know that no matter what they do, boo the TakeOver's being held away from Full Sail, not paying attention during matches and going on their phones or ing dancing and singing during a Bayley match, they know the tapings will always be held there. Most shows it seems like they're only going because they feel they have to. 3. The editing. Being taped means it's probably gonna be edited in some way, goes for most if not all taped shows. I've heard some things about the Full Sail crowd at tapings yelling out things that are absoultey disgusting. Heard there was a chant of "Build The Wall" at Almas a few months ago, and apparently one guy requested that Peyton show him her dick. Being edited for those reasons absolutely, but loud reactions and maybe showing interest in matches I don't get. Of course during the TakeOver's held at Full Sail they were live so the crowd was way more energetic. I don't recall the crowd being so quiet for the early weekly NXT shows from 2013, need to re-watch them at some point. To me now whenever I watch aside from maybe one segment every few weeks the crowd is dead and look bored to death. If anyone on here goes to the tapings are they louder and more into it and they're being edited on the Network? 4. Something I'm missing entirely. Am I way off base? Is it just the NXT weekly show being used as a random assortment of matches with one or two segments to promote the next TakeOver and I'm expecting too much? Do they need to freshen something up? Maybe trial tapings at different locations one TakeOver to the next? If there's anything any of you good brothers and sweet sisters feel I've missed, like to add to or think I'm completely missing the point and want to go full Iron Sheik BUBBA!! Tell us below Let's make NXT TV GREAT AGAIN! Or more watchable at least.
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Post by xtremebadass on Jun 22, 2017 8:23:07 GMT -5
NXT lost the luster that made it special. 2014-15 NXT was an anomaly. It is back to being what developmental SHOULD BE. However, the self entitled nauseating crowd remained that was born during the glory years. You can do live events and TakeOvers on the road when the roster was amazing. Once you take those special stars out (Balor, Enzo/Cass, Nakamura, Bayley) you are left with superstars that can't possibly fill their shoes. I used to watch NXT religiously until TakeOver: Dallas. After that it started falling off.
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Post by revolution on Jun 22, 2017 8:28:04 GMT -5
The crowd is the biggest problem tbh
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 8:56:37 GMT -5
I don't even know, NXT has just lost that special feeling. It was like 2014-2015 was their Attitude Era, now we're in the Ruthless Aggression era and it has glimpses of brilliant wrestling, but it isn't all that entertaining.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jun 22, 2017 9:59:01 GMT -5
I used to watch it religiously, but I haven't seen it in weeks. Simply put - apart from Roode, Ohno, Asuka and maybe Young, all the big/valuable names got called up - leaving behind pretty much a roster of non-entities. You're never going to recreate the "lightning in a bottle", halcyon days of Neville, Zayn, Owens, Balor, Joe, Enzo, Cass, Nakamura, and of course the Horsewomen... just like you're never going to be able recapture the glory days of the Attitude era, or the "Summer of Punk" - both once in a lifetime periods of history. Another problem is - aside from this Kenny Omega bloke, they have pretty much hoovered up all the big names from the indy circuit, already.
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Post by Triple S on Jun 22, 2017 10:03:43 GMT -5
"Tell us below"? Who is "us"? You're one forum member. Hard to take this post seriously with all of the "I heard this" and "Rumor has it" c-o-n-spiracy talk.
NXT is also still great. Not AS good as the KO/Sami/Finn era, but still really good.
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Post by Triple S on Jun 22, 2017 10:05:29 GMT -5
I used to watch it religiously, but I haven't seen it in weeks. Simply put - apart from Roode, Ohno, Asuka and maybe Young, all the big/valuable names got called up - leaving behind pretty much a roster of non-entities. You're never going to recreate the "lightning in a bottle", halcyon days of Neville, Zayn, Owens, Balor, Joe, Enzo, Cass, Nakamura, and of course the Horsewomen. Another problem is - aside from this Kenny Omega bloke, they have pretty much hoovered up all the big names from the indy circuit, already. Almas, Black, McIntyre, Riot (for starters) all think differently. Just because you aren't familiar with these names, doesn't mean they bring nothing to the brand.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 22, 2017 10:07:59 GMT -5
I think NXT is still in a transition of sorts. Half of their roster was taken away within a few months time span and they were more less forced to start over. For the most part, I think they did pretty well with it. Talent like McIntyre, Roode, & Black are all weekly highlights. But unfortunately there is some talent they're experimenting with that the crowd just doesn't care about.
As far as each show only really building up to the next TakeOver? That's what the weekly shows are supposed to be. Before Nitro came around, that is all RAW was used for. Long infomercials to get you to buy the PPV. Give them little for free, but leave the good stuff for the shows they have to pay for. Even though all of NXT is available on the Network, it shows Triple H's old school mentality.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jun 22, 2017 10:13:50 GMT -5
I used to watch it religiously, but I haven't seen it in weeks. Simply put - apart from Roode, Ohno, Asuka and maybe Young, all the big/valuable names got called up - leaving behind pretty much a roster of non-entities. You're never going to recreate the "lightning in a bottle", halcyon days of Neville, Zayn, Owens, Balor, Joe, Enzo, Cass, Nakamura, and of course the Horsewomen. Another problem is - aside from this Kenny Omega bloke, they have pretty much hoovered up all the big names from the indy circuit, already. Almas, Black, McIntyre, Riot (for starters) all think differently. Just because you aren't familiar with these names, doesn't mean they bring nothing to the brand. They might be decent enough talents, but they simply don't compare - at least at this point, to the names I listed above... and McIntyre probably shouldn't even be in NXT to begin with. I don't even know, NXT has just lost that special feeling. It was like 2014-2015 was their Attitude Era, now we're in the Ruthless Aggression era and it has glimpses of brilliant wrestling, but it isn't all that entertaining. Yeah, funnily enough, around the same time it lost pretty much all its special talent.
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Post by Triple S on Jun 22, 2017 10:16:30 GMT -5
Oh, and silly me... can't forget about RODERICK EFFIN' STRONG.
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Post by Triple S on Jun 22, 2017 10:20:37 GMT -5
I think NXT is still in a transition of sorts. Half of their roster was taken away within a few months time span and they were more less forced to start over. For the most part, I think they did pretty well with it. Talent like McIntyre, Roode, & Black are all weekly highlights. But unfortunately there is some talent they're experimenting with that the crowd just doesn't care about. As far as each show only really building up to the next TakeOver? That's what the weekly shows are supposed to be. Before Nitro came around, that is all RAW was used for. Long infomercials to get you to buy the PPV. Give them little for free, but leave the good stuff for the shows they have to pay for. Even though all of NXT is available on the Network, it shows Triple H's old school mentality. ... I think I love you. (No homo) 😂 Speaking of Mike and Maria... am I the only one that feels Mike (with Maria) would've been muuuuch better suited on NXT? Granted that roster is damn full right now.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jun 22, 2017 10:24:34 GMT -5
Oh, and silly me... can't forget about RODERICK EFFIN' STRONG. I'm familiar with Strong, and I actually forgot about him too, so he's clearly rather forgettable.
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Post by Triple S on Jun 22, 2017 10:28:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't say he's forgettable, as he's in the main event picture. He's not like The Velveteen Dream and just working squash matches. He's involved in storylines and has been since his debut. Roddy is gonna be a big player in NXT over the next 365 days.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 22, 2017 10:30:57 GMT -5
NXT is trying to be part NXT 2015 and part WWECW at the same time, and it's hurt the product a bit imo. Black, Ohno, Roode and McIntyre are all extremely awesome. I don't think anyone would argue that point. Strong, Gargano, Ciampa, Itami, Almas, you could argue this is the most talent they've had together at any one time for the men.
I've said this before, but NXT has already hit the maturity stage of the product life cycle. They blasted through the growth stage and everyone jumped on the wave and it was exciting, fresh and cool. You can only ride that wave once though. Grunge could only become cool one time and then that excitement plateaued in the back half of the 90s, as the world moved onto boy bands. NXT caught their lightning in a bottle, just like WWF did from 97-01. Then it ended.
The crowd was inevitable. They're jaded, and entitled. Just like the Impact Zone crowd became, and just like the ECW Arena crowd before them. Listen to those ECW guys talk about the Arena crowd fans. They hated them, but they all agreed they were a pivotal part of the show in both energy and in guys having to work harder to get stuff over. WWE is always going to try and control their crowd though and present the image they see for the superstars. They have to draw the line between awesome energy and letting self indulgent chants get onto TV imo.
I agree they're in flux still too. They likely always will be from now on. When you have guys like Roode and McIntyre, who could just as easily be IC Champion as NXT Champion, you're going to lose guys to the main roster. Owens was there and gone. Nakamura was there and gone. They took 3 of the 4 women in one shot. Joe, Sami, Aries, AA, Enzo and Cass, the Revival, Breeze, look at how much of the talent that made those TakeOvers great have moved onto Raw or Smackdown. I say, if you enjoy the TakeOvers, don't worry about what is happening on NXT TV. Let that be for other people and just stick to the PPVs. We're under no obligation to watch everything and nobody is paying any of us to fix WWE's problems.
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Mr Wrestling Jr.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Jun 22, 2017 11:52:33 GMT -5
"Tell us below"? Who is "us"? You're one forum member. Hard to take this post seriously with all of the "I heard this" and "Rumor has it" c-o-n-spiracy talk. Lately for some reason when talking to friends I've been using "us" instead of me. And it's just an opinion post to see what others think, not trying to spread dirt sheet rumour and innuendo or anything.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Jun 22, 2017 11:52:43 GMT -5
As far as each show only really building up to the next TakeOver? That's what the weekly shows are supposed to be. Before Nitro came around, that is all RAW was used for. Long infomercials to get you to buy the PPV. Give them little for free, but leave the good stuff for the shows they have to pay for. Probably could've worded that better. I get they're not going to give away Roode vs Drew or whatever will headline Brooklyn III for free. It could be nostalgia of the 2013-2014/5 NXT I'm thinking of, but every few weeks and looking back likely because of the smaller roster, Sami/Breeze/Kidd when he was there, ADRIAN Neville and others like Charlotte, Sasha, Bayley and Becky, Enzo and Cass and others in the tag division we would see competing one way or another every 3/4 weeks. I think on NXT TV this year Roode has had 3 or 4 matches? Could be wrong on that and I'm not saying he should be wrestling every single week, I get the idea of waiting for his matches but when the Authors and Asuka get in the ring every few weeks it makes me think why not him as well? And I remember being so excited for those early TakeOver's because of the build and seeing the guys in the ring at least once before the show. While I've enjoyed the TakeOver's this year, I hardly remember any of the build aside from #DIY and the Authors on the second to last NXT before Chicago being told by Regal they're having a Ladder Match. For me that's something that should be announced weeks ahead not one or two. NXT should be developmental, but the hybrid of half developmental guys and half "Why aren't they on the main roster" is a tough transition as some have said. I'm interested in seeing what they do with Lars Sullivan, Dan Matha if he's still a thing after Joe crashed his debut last year, the Ealy Brothers look like they might've figured out something, the women are being saved for the Mae Young Classic and that's cool. Ellering mentioned Moss and Sabbatelli and there's been no backstage promos from them, maybe it's next week but the manager of the champions mentions them as unworthy challengers and they do nothing? Not trying to come off as bitching for the sake of bitching I just feel they've been stuck in a rut and they don't seem to be trying to get out if it.
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Post by JC Motors on Jun 22, 2017 11:53:25 GMT -5
All of the good roster has moved up to the main roster
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Post by Triple S on Jun 22, 2017 12:06:14 GMT -5
All of the good roster has moved up to the main roster Do you currently watch NXT?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 12:46:11 GMT -5
I watch Takeovers. That's it now. And I only watch a few matches from it.
The crowds get on my nerves.
NXT became huge but it's still WWE developmental.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jun 22, 2017 13:36:00 GMT -5
I miss the Sami, Neville, Breeze, Kidd fued. That was the turning point towards great tv. I have to agree it died a bit after Dallas last year...
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