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Post by The-Rock on Jul 18, 2017 17:50:42 GMT -5
I can't believe that people think this is legit. It's obviously a plot by HHH where he is using Jordan to give Kurt a son he never knew he had and then snap the truth will be revealed and Kurt will be left broken and vulnerable and that is when HHH will strike. Having said that I am fuming that yet another great tag team has been split. I think everyone gets what the eventual end game is and has no issue with it. The disappointment is in the fact that everyone knows WWE isn't going to thoroughly invest in committing to the storyline, and thus they will have not cashed in on a potential major asset. This gives Jordan (and potentially his former tag partner) tremendous momentum going forward, and if they reveal the end goal too soon everyone see's it coming and it loses its effect. Growing up, I remember when Linda and Stephanie gave their share of ownership to Stone Cold and then he lost it back to Vince and Shane like no less than a month later at King of the Ring. I was 8 or 9 at the time and remembered totally unfazed by it because WWF hadn't invested enough in Stone Cold actually being a part owner to the point that I considered Austin losing his 1/2 to be a substantial loss. The best way to describe it was like that GIF of Grandpa Simpson walking in the door and then walking right back out. If this storyline is about anyone else besides elevating Jason Jordan, then it's a total waste. Just look at how Rikishi running over Stone Cold faired, it should have propelled Rikishi...instead it became about The Rock, Stone Cold, and HHH. Somehow Rikishi should have been the biggest heel after this, but instead he got his 1 off match with Austin, then Rock, and then it was back to HHH being the worst of the worst and World Champion heel Kurt Angle. One of the reason it fell flat was because Rikishi did it for The Rock, The Rock didn't tell Rikishi to do it, so The Rock stayed face...Austin got his revenge and the world went on. Kurt Angle is no longer an active competitor that needs to be pushed, they don't need an elaborate storyline like this to make his return to ring special or to set up a feud with HHH. Besides if Angle's first match back is against JJ, then it's a much bigger deal if JJ is a main venter (or even heel world champion) than just a guy who put one over on him. Sting vs. Rollins in 2015 would have been far less intriguing if Rollins wasn't world champion.
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Post by The-Rock on Jul 18, 2017 18:01:27 GMT -5
I haven't watched wrestling in god knows how long, so I don't know anything about Jason Jordan. But I saw this trending on twitter tonight, and I can tell you this was really short sighted booking that really doesn't do anything other than give this Jason Jordan guy a chance to be on TV for a few weeks, unless WWE is really committed to this. The fact that they're resorting to this soap opera style of booking less than 6 months into Angle being GM is just not good. I'm also never in favor of this kind of stuff (unless the wrestlers are actually relatives) because (1) it unnecessarily devalues the legacy of a hall of famer and (2) it it almost inevitably dies out (see Edge & Christian, Hornswaggle & Vince, Big Show & Andre) and becomes a joke years later or has a payoff that falls flat. The WWE writers are not sophisticated or patient enough to effectively execute this storyline (for instance having other superstars claim nepotism against Angle, have Angle try to be impartial to Jordan for as long as possible, and to have the eventual payoff in a year (or more) turn into Jordan revealing he falsified the whole thing as an elaborate plan to get ahead). Unless this Jason Jordan guy is already established, this is going to take too long. I assume the eventual payoff is to lead to a match between Angle (who comes out of retirement) and Jordan, where it's sort of a passing of the torch. If I was WWE I'd take this in a direction they've never done before and have Angle and Jordan be tag partners (winning the titles once or twice), with Angle mentoring Jordan; ala Ken Griffey Jr. & Sr.. We've had plenty of dads mentor and feud with their sons, but never actually tag with them for a legitimate run. This could easily lead to Angle reviving some of his old feuds by teaming with Jordan to face HHH (and any number of his mentees), Rock & Roman Reigns, etc. etc.). Jordan facing Brock Lesnar, with Angle helping him prepare, would also be an interesting dynamic. But like I said above, the eventual payoff needs to lead to it being revealed that Jordan is not really Angle's son, and that Jordan did all this to get ahead because he found out he was about to be released or something else. You can add the element that Kurt beat Jordan's dad for a spot on the olympic team/injured him and ended his career...and thus Jordan knew this was his chance to ruin Angle's life...just like Angle had previously ruined his father's life. Or, reveal that it was actual Jordan's tag partner (Chad Gable?) who was Angle's son, and Jordan switched some sort of test or information or something because he knew that would've meant the end of his career and Jordan wasn't going to let that happen. However, the only way for this to be effective is for WWE to make Angle/Jordan's relationship legitimate and believable for a long time, so that people are interested and engaged in it. For the first few weeks/months, everyone is going to be skeptical. Once it gets over the hill of skepticism then it needs to grow to the point where it isn't just accepted, but it's taken as a constant, and THEN that's when you pull the rug out from under it. Jordan is a former armature wrestler and is very good in the ring,but he really hasn't had a chance to expand himself as a character outside of his tag team with Gable (who is also an armature wrestler and former Olympian) and he's still very, very young at 28. From the reports, it sounds like they're giving him a midcard push so it sounds like they're taking it slow with him instead of throwing him in the main event. Sounds like Shelton Benjamin 2.0, but I saw the interview with Angle, and he has a lot more Charisma...which makes me question why he even needed this storyline
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jul 18, 2017 18:14:13 GMT -5
I can't believe that people think this is legit. It's obviously a plot by HHH where he is using Jordan to give Kurt a son he never knew he had and then snap the truth will be revealed and Kurt will be left broken and vulnerable and that is when HHH will strike. Having said that I am fuming that yet another great tag team has been split. I think everyone gets what the eventual end game is and has no issue with it. The disappointment is in the fact that everyone knows WWE isn't going to thoroughly invest in committing to the storyline, and thus they will have not cashed in on a potential major asset. This gives Jordan (and potentially his former tag partner) tremendous momentum going forward, and if they reveal the end goal too soon everyone see's it coming and it loses its effect. Growing up, I remember when Linda and Stephanie gave their share of ownership to Stone Cold and then he lost it back to Vince and Shane like no less than a month later at King of the Ring. I was 8 or 9 at the time and remembered totally unfazed by it because WWF hadn't invested enough in Stone Cold actually being a part owner to the point that I considered Austin losing his 1/2 to be a substantial loss. The best way to describe it was like that GIF of Grandpa Simpson walking in the door and then walking right back out. If this storyline is about anyone else besides elevating Jason Jordan, then it's a total waste. Just look at how Rikishi running over Stone Cold faired, it should have propelled Rikishi...instead it became about The Rock, Stone Cold, and HHH. Somehow Rikishi should have been the biggest heel after this, but instead he got his 1 off match with Austin, then Rock, and then it was back to HHH being the worst of the worst and World Champion heel Kurt Angle. One of the reason it fell flat was because Rikishi did it for The Rock, The Rock didn't tell Rikishi to do it, so The Rock stayed face...Austin got his revenge and the world went on. Kurt Angle is no longer an active competitor that needs to be pushed, they don't need an elaborate storyline like this to make his return to ring special or to set up a feud with HHH. Besides if Angle's first match back is against JJ, then it's a much bigger deal if JJ is a main venter (or even heel world champion) than just a guy who put one over on him. Sting vs. Rollins in 2015 would have been far less intriguing if Rollins wasn't world champion. I don't expect it to do Jordan any favours. He is nothing more than a pawn in all of this and I believe it's only to set up HHH vs Angle at Summerslam while Jordan will fade away in the background and sadly AA has suffered because of it.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jul 19, 2017 5:52:40 GMT -5
Gable - about the same size as Kurt and a legit Olympic wrestler, would have been the better choice.
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Post by ARUN on Jul 19, 2017 8:11:12 GMT -5
Gable - about the same size as Kurt and a legit Olympic wrestler, would have been the better choice. That what I was thinking too
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Post by RSCTom on Jul 20, 2017 12:42:41 GMT -5
But he doesn't have the baldish head! People won't think he will be Kurt Angle's son without that baldish head!
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 20, 2017 13:59:44 GMT -5
Gable - about the same size as Kurt and a legit Olympic wrestler, would have been the better choice. I'm sure the skin color had a lot to do with the choice. WWE is so far behind the times on social issues, I'm sure they are figuring there would be some sort of social media frenzy (controversy creating cash) on Kurt Angle having a black son. Since Vince seems to be mentally stuck in his childhood years, he's probably still in the 1950s thought process of how society views each other.
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Post by The Constable on Jul 20, 2017 17:18:21 GMT -5
These memes are getting two much now. Check this one 😂 God i hope a crowd chant of the song happens
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Jul 20, 2017 20:22:51 GMT -5
I'll wait and see where this is headed, but I don't feel like this will do Jordan any favors. Also hating that 4 tag teams have been broken up this year, assuming Gable hasn't followed Jordan to Raw. Not really sure.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jul 20, 2017 21:27:20 GMT -5
But he doesn't have the baldish head! People won't think he will be Kurt Angle's son without that baldish head! Like Kurt never had hair....or a wig.
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Post by r44gz96 on Jul 21, 2017 4:49:25 GMT -5
These memes are getting two much now. Check this one 😂 God i hope a crowd chant of the song happens If only..
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Post by marino13 on Jul 21, 2017 9:45:51 GMT -5
But he doesn't have the baldish head! People won't think he will be Kurt Angle's son without that baldish head! I believe the hair gene comes from your mother's father. So if so, it's possible for a son to have more hair than his father.
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Post by T R W on Jul 21, 2017 9:46:55 GMT -5
The fans need to chant "Black Son" instead of "You Suck"
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jul 21, 2017 10:25:06 GMT -5
The fans need to chant "Black Son" instead of "You Suck" And then the Kurt Angle remix will be I have a black son
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