ellisd
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Post by ellisd on Aug 11, 2017 20:20:53 GMT -5
So I've recently started rereading The Death of WCW and recently rewatched the NWO dvd. It got me thinking about how the NWO was such a good, fresh idea for the WCW, but ultimately it became watered down and ran too long. It got me thinking about what could have been done differently.
Here's some of the things I would have done differently.
First of all, they should have kept it a little more exclusive, not every wrestler needed to be part of the nWo. I don't think VK Walstreet and Big Bubba or anyone along those lines needed to be added to the group, unless the company actually had a plan for them. I saw no point in bringing in Virgil either. Also if kept more exclusive, there wouldn't be any need to split into NWO Hollywood and NWO Wolfpack, because there wouldn't be a 1,000 people in the group.
I do think that there did need to be some members that weren't in that top tier that Hogan, Hall, Nash, Savage, The Giant were all in. I think guys like Buff Bagwell and Scott Norton made sense because the group did need a presence in the mid and lower card. Also there had to be a few expendable guys for Sting to take out before he took out the inner circle of the group during his run ins. But again, it needs to be kept exclusive, so as they don't overdo it.
Ted Dibiase was brought in to be a mouthpiece/benefactor for the group. As Dibiase mentioned on the NWO dvd, Bischoff joined yhe group and made himself the mouthpiece. Both ideas worked but I think I would have left Ted as the NWO manager and not had Bischoff join. It made sense being that he was a WWF guy and that's what the initial faction was built on. Also him being the 'Million Dollar Man' , it made sense them using Ted's money to get all their resources and access.
I wouldn't have had Bret Hart join the NWO. In my opinion, it should have been heavily hinted at that Bret was going to be part of the group, even the NWO themselves saying that he was going to be with them. But when he showed up I would have had him stand up against them and for his values. He could have brought in Bulldog and Neidhart to help him. (Owen too, if he could have gotten out of his WWF contract). Benoit and Jericho could have even been associated with them, due to there training with the Hart family. I think Bret would have been a perfect guy to help lead the charge against Hogan and the NWO. Bret's values standing up against the gang mentality of the NWO. Also they could have mentioned Hogan leaving WWF in '93 and him ndver giving Bret a rematch for the belt, because he knew Bret was better.
I don't know, these are just some ideas. What are some of your ideas that you would have done differently with the NWO?
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Post by Kill Em' All on Aug 12, 2017 1:09:33 GMT -5
Never would I ever have had Sting join the Wolfpac. I wouldn't allow NWO to grow to this overgrown bs thing
Honestly I would start showing signs of breakup in early 1998. I would still have the NWO have a civil war with the Wolfpac but i'd outline it more. Hogan would lead Black and White. While Wolfpac was led by Randy Savage and or Kevin Nash who felt Hogan made the NWO all about themselves. And the Wolfpac stands for a new order within the New World Order. Newer and fresher talent would be on the Wolfpac while Black and White would be more established experience guys. Their goal is restore the NWO like the Wolfpac but maintain like it has been for the past two years. Sting would lead the resistance against both NWO's but greed and uncertain feels on what's next for WCW would appear. Sting would hold the World Championship until May. Savage would win the title in May and Hogan the next night wanted Savage to lay down, and part of the NWO goes into rebellion. The Championship can flip flop between the NWO, while WCW stars run over eachother to capture the title. I would use Bret Hart/Sting fighting for control over the WCW team. I would blow the angle off by fall of '98. A Wolfpac victory would end it, and Hulk Hogan would ''Retire'' The Wolfpac shows up to Nitro and acts as if the NWO will gain power after it's civil war. Only for the WCW stars to unite against all the hate and destroy everyone in the Wolfpac. Guys who were linked to either faction of the NWO were view as criminal to WCW stars and given a hard time on screen. Bret Hart captures the title off of Nash. Sting and Hart have a program running to Starcade off the title.
Everything NWO would be forgotten and peace would settle in WCW but many WCW guys would scrap it out in this new world. Many stars like Jericho, Guerrero, Beniot, Booker T would be pushed. Sting/Bret Hart/Ric Flair/Lex Lurger etc would fight it out for control in this new world.
I would bring Hulk Hogan back to his ''roots in the Spring of 1999''. The WCW has changed and has turned into different program and Hogan forgets the NWO. He tries to make a friendship with Sting. Sting backstabs Hogan they feud over the title. Then we can start bringing up the New Breed of WCW.
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Post by Mark Martin on Aug 12, 2017 1:51:30 GMT -5
I definitely would've kept it smaller. Still would've had Hogan, Nash, Hall, Giant, Dibiase, Syxx and Bischoff join in 96 but have that be the core group until Savage joins in February 97 and I would've had Curt join a little earlier than he did in 97 and that would've been it for me. No Vincent, Wallstreet, Big Bubba, Nick Patrick, Fake Sting, Liz, nWo Japan guys, Bagwell, Norton, Adams.
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Post by PJ on Aug 12, 2017 3:54:17 GMT -5
I would have kept it to the original 3 plus Savage, the Giant, Syxx and maybe Steiner and Buff eventually.
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ellisd
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Post by ellisd on Aug 12, 2017 7:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by JokerFC on Aug 12, 2017 9:10:41 GMT -5
The membership of the group would have been
Hogan, Hall, Nash, Syxx, Savage, Giant, Buff, Muta, Norton, Hennig, Vincent, Steiner & The Disciple.
Bischoff is somebody I would have always left with the group. Him being part of it made perfect sense in the context of the storyline. How they had the freedom to do what they do etc etc.
IF the nWo Civil war HAD to happen I would have had the Wolfpac be just that-the Wolfpac its own thing. NOT the nWo.....The Wolfpac was Nashs idea in 98 to emulate the popularity of DX(ironically). The rift could have exploited the real life firing of Syxx and would have been eaten up by the fans.
Sting & Hart would have had ZERO to do with either group.
Savage & Luger also have nothing to do with Wolfpac-poor poor fits......Both were totally unsuitable for membership. But Hogan cried because if Hall & Bagwell were allowed be in Wolfpac Nash had all the "cool guys".
Wolfpac is Hall, Nash, Bagwell, & Konnan..... . The nWo meets its end @ War games 98 as it goes head to head with a coalition of the Wolfpac & WCW.
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Aug 12, 2017 19:58:26 GMT -5
If I were booking the nWo angle I would've had it be exclusive like you. I would have Hogan, Hall, Nash, Syxx, Giant, DiBiase, Savage, Henning, and Bischoff. Eventually when Bret comes in, he doesn't join the nWo instead he joins in Sting's crusade to destroy the nWo till there's nothing left. I would start teasing a Hogan face turn right about in July then have him fully turn face at Bash at The Beach '98 ironically where the nWo began and kill it there.
(Also I know this isn't about these two things but, at Starrcade '97 Nash loses and at Starrcade '98 Goldberg doesn't kick Bret in the head)
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Post by blissfan4life on Aug 12, 2017 20:00:15 GMT -5
Would've had Sting go over Hogan Cleanly, The rest of the NWO start to lose faith in the Hulkster, internal turmoil within the group happens and within a year, they are all disbanded and NWO is no more.
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Post by ellisd on Aug 12, 2017 23:19:27 GMT -5
Would've had Sting go over Hogan Cleanly, The rest of the NWO start to lose faith in the Hulkster, internal turmoil within the group happens and within a year, they are all disbanded and NWO is no more. I love the idea of them loosing faith in Hogan and it starting some inner turmoil in the group. I would've love to see some of the lower card guys slowly fall away from the group, eith they leave or get kicked out. Not all at once, but over time the group starts to get smaller. And then have it come down to a match involving Hogan/Hall/Nash vs Sting/Luger/Bret ( or Savage if you want it to come full circle, possibly even at Bash at the Beach as Hulkster2001 mentioned) . The weeks leading up to it, tease the problems within the group. Then at the end of the match, as Hogan goes to make the tag, Hall and Nash finally get tired of Hogan's crap and walk off. Hogan is left alone in the ring in disbelief, begging for them to come back. Hogan turns around and is left to face Sting, without the NWO to back him up. Sting takes out Hogan and the nWo is no more. |
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Post by The Brain on Aug 13, 2017 1:25:56 GMT -5
If it was me I would've had the group just be Hogan,Hall and Nash with Bischoff as the mouthpiece. If I had choose a few more guys to join it'd be Bagwell,Norton and Scott Steiner.
And without question if it was up to me, Sting would've defeated Hogan clean at Starrcade 97 to end the group once and for all.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Aug 13, 2017 11:46:00 GMT -5
Here is a rough timeline of what I would do from 96-98. That's right, if I were re-booking the NWO, it's going to last until War Games 98.
July 96-January 97
Hogan, Hall, Nash, Dibiase, The Giant, and Syxx
Keep this as the group up until Jan 97. But also keep the fake sting but not as a member. Instead of having fake sting as a member just use him on a one off appearance on Nitro and one more appearance at Fall Brawl to set up the Sting crow gimmick. In the build up to the Sould Out PPV, have the NWO come out and tell the WCW roster that if they want to join the NWO that they have to prove themselves. The NWO says that two new members will join the group on the ppv. This would set up either guys from WCW wanting to wrestle the guys trying to defect to NWO. Say Scott Norton says he wants to go and join the NWO but Jericho decides to stand up to him so a match at Souled Out is set up. So Jericho is out to show Norton he is making a bad choice. But anyways, that is a bad example but that's what part of the story could be. The other side could be two guys just trying to beat the hell out of each other to show that they are worthy of being NWO member. Have the night play out and in the main event the Steiners are close to winning the belts from The Outsiders but then Muta and Chono run in and save the Outsiders. Talk about HEAT!
After Sould Out 97
Hogan, Hall, Nash, Dibiase, The Giant, Syxx, Chono, and Muta.
So the only members of the NWO that don't have titles are The Giant and Syxx. So at SuperBrawl we will have Syxx win the Cruiserweight title and The Giant will fail to win the US title. This will upset the NWO and they kick The Giant out and add Savage so now we have all guys from up north and Savage will win the US title. We will go ahead and add Rodman. From a wrestling perspective I didn't like him but I'll keep him in rebooking here.
Feb 97
Hogan, Hall, Nash, Syxx, Savage, Chono, Muta, Rodman, and Liz
This pretty much keeps the same story line in place that was in place in WCW at the time. Except we haven't watered down the NWO with tons of members. The idea is to have the NWO hold all the titles and keep them for a very long time. No one is dropping a belt until at least October of 97, and no new members will be added to the group until September of 97. So lets fast forward
September 97
Hogan, Hall, Nash, Syxx, Chono, Muta, Rodman, Liz, and Henning
So we keep the Horsemen story and keep the Henning heel turn. This make the group still exclusive to the WWF with the exception of Chono, Muta, and Rodman who are not full time WCW workers anyways. Goldberg would make his first appearance on Nitro in September of 97 so keep up with that.
October 97
Syxx loses his title and The Outsiders lose the tag titles. The unthinkable happens! This will come up later. Hogan, instead of being disappointed in the three men, tells them that they are still in control.
December 97
Hogan taps out to Sting. The NWO now has no titles. Unlike in October, the rest of the NWO start to question Hogans leadership. The most outspoken is Savage. This will set up Hogan costing Savage the US title and kicking Savage out of the NWO.
January 98
Hogan, Hall, Nash, Syxx, Chono, Muta, Rodman, Henning
Now the NWO is on the chase for the gold.
February 98
Hogan and Savage settle their feud. Sting beats Syxx in a singles match and is kicked out of the NWO. In real life Syxx was fired by WCW in March anyways so we are keeping that here. Goldberg beats Martel for the TV title. The title that the NWO didn't want because, in kayfabe, they would be required to work more matches on TV which they didn't want to do. So now Goldberg gets his first title. Scott Steiner turns on Rick because the wrestling world would not be the same without heel Scott Steiner
March 98
Hogan, Hall, Nash, Chono, Muta, Rodman, Henning, and Steiner
Hogan beats Sting for the title at Uncensored and we are saving Hogan for Goldberg now. Henning wins the US title.
May 98
Goldberg beats Henning for the US title and the first member of the NWO. He vacates the TV title which is decided between Booker T and Benoit.
June 98 Great American Bash
Change the main event to the Rodman/Hogan VS DDP/Malone. Malone's NBA season would end in early June so we don't have a quick turnaround time to really train but we want that NBA Finals exposure to build up for this match because...
July 98 Bash at The Beach
Goldberg beats Hogan for the WCW title vacating the US Title.
September 98 Fall Brawl War Games
Team WCW Sting, Goldberg, DDP, and Bret Hart beat Team NWO of Hogan, Hall, Nash, and Henning. With Team WCW finally winning, the NWO has to disband. From here on if the members of NWO want to stay in WCW, they must continue to win for the next few months. If they lose, they are fired from WCW.
Are there things here that don't work? Yes. I admit that. There are somethings I left out that could be worked in but I want to keep the NWO to a handful of members, not on TV a lot making there attacks mean even more.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 13, 2017 11:58:01 GMT -5
Id start with Hogan, Hall and Nash as the core 3. Id then add DiBiase & Vincent. DiBiase being the financial backer & Vincent being his Body Guard/Mid card guy that takes the beat downs. Id follow up with Syxx and then eventually Randy Savage.
At this point I would stop adding members. Lets say Syxx were to be fired as he was, I would replace him with Curt Hennig (and maybe Rude for a manager for him). Other then that the only nWo members I would have would be nWo Japan which would mostly be in NJPW except for a few random appearances in WCW. Muta, Chono, Tenzan and maybe Norton.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 13, 2017 18:00:27 GMT -5
I had all these ideas rush to my head. I open the thread, and they're already all laid out.  No Sting. Never! He would always be the force behind destroying them. No Savage either. He spent months fighting them and then he joined randomly. No Luger. Same as Sting & Savage. NO DUSTY RHODES! One of the worst moves in wrestling history. Keep it far more elite. No Virgil, IRS, Boss Man, Horace, Norton, Steve Ray. Hogan losing to Sting would have caused the fractures in the nWo foundation. Have them oust Hogan and try to recruit Hart. Hogan takes a long break, returns as a face. No Wolfpac. No LWO. No black and silver. It became diluted. No nWo PPV. No Nick Patrick heel ref. No Konnan. He's the guy that acts cool, but just seems like a dork doing it. No Curt Hennig. Leave him a Horsemen. No Jeff Jarrett. He's a nerd. nWo should be cool. The fake Sting ran it's course and never should have been an official member. They should have used him till they didn't need him. And then beat the hell out of him. I'll think of more later. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 13, 2017 18:12:08 GMT -5
marino13 I completely forgot about Hennig being a Horseman. Ill retract what I said about him being in the nWo...Id keep him with the Horsemen. Maybe eventually move Mongo out of the group so it could be Flair, Hennig, Benoit & Malenko. I still think there needs to be a couple "schmucks" in the nWo though just to take pin fall loses and beat downs.
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Post by ClassicFan2 on Aug 13, 2017 18:44:03 GMT -5
id have kept it at these 8:
hogan, hall, nash, giant, syxx, poppa pump, bagwell & bischoff!
if I had to do one big turn it'd be henning turning in horseman and having rude as his manger only in the nwo.
sting, luger, savage, bret, goldberg, horseman, etc are all wcw battling them.
NO mid-carder nwo guys, no wolf-pac, nwo nwo japan BS. NWO stays at the top in the main spots only.
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