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Post by #DI-WHY? on Sept 18, 2017 15:14:57 GMT -5
I'm not great at introductions, so here's my ideas to improve WWE house shows, and possibly sell more tickets.
1. My main point: stop having so many title matches. At this point, everybody knows titles are never going to change on house shows. There's no reason that they should. Whenever there's a title match, you KNOW the champions are going to win (or lose by DQ). Combine that with the fact that 3/4 of the matches on the card are title matches, it's more predictable then the actual show. So if you have AJ Styles vs Sami Zayn for the US title for example, you know for a fact Styles is going over. But, if it's Styles vs Zayn non title at a house show anything could happen, Zayn could pull off a win. Adding this unpredictability would definitely sell some more tickets.
2. Don't have the same card back to back. If you go and read results of house shows, for about 5-6 shows back to back the results are almost cookie cutter. If you're that fourth show, you already know what you're going to see. They have a decently sized roster. Use enhancement talent if necessary, just keep things fresh.
3. Create a new show on the network: Some house show matches or moments that are reported to have blown the roof off the place. Everyone would want to see them, and they end up on YouTube and the WWE gets nothing of it. So tape one match every once and a while and put it on the Network. For example, that Nakamura vs Styles vs Zayn vs Owens match. Why waste that on a house show where nobody would see? Record it and put in on the Network!
4. Have some title matches. Now I know what I just said in #1, but hear me out. You make having a title match on a house show a big deal. Local advertise the hell out of it. Because now that there's the Network show in #3, title matches will end up on it. Make title matches feel like a rare occurance, and give the chance that the title might change hands.
If you have these changes, I can all but guarantee more tickets will sell, and profits will go up.
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Post by Sizzle on Sept 18, 2017 16:00:07 GMT -5
If the house show is going to be shown on the Network, why buy a ticket?
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Sept 18, 2017 16:04:52 GMT -5
More Jinder Mahal in the main event scene, please!!
That's how you improve house shows/live events!
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Post by #DI-WHY? on Sept 18, 2017 16:23:28 GMT -5
If the house show is going to be shown on the Network, why buy a ticket? Not the whole show, just specific matches that was really great.
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Post by The American Daydream on Sept 18, 2017 17:33:16 GMT -5
Or you could just name the show after a famous WCW event.
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Post by bababooey on Sept 18, 2017 17:49:49 GMT -5
Titles have changed hands at house shows plenty of times for the specific purpose of making it seem like you never really know when it could happen. It literally just happened a few months ago with the US title at MSG.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Sept 18, 2017 18:21:34 GMT -5
My two main issues with house shows are title matches and faces winning all the time. It's got to the point that you know exactly who is going to win because they always follow the same formula.
I would like to go to an event and get surprised.
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Sept 18, 2017 18:29:49 GMT -5
Two biggest ways to fix some of the house show problems would be to end the brand split again and to change up the card on a nightly bases.Right now they basically run the same card top to bottom for weeks at a time with very little changes and with the same roster.Go old school and have the WWE Champion headline one tour and the IC/Tag Tag Team champions headline the other.Also maybe only announcing a few big names stars and a big match or two might help.People might be more interested in going if they don't know who's on the card or what the matches might be.
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Sept 19, 2017 16:00:54 GMT -5
the price of tickets needs to go way down.
i remember getting front row tickets for 60$ back in the early 2000s now they are 120 with no meet and greet or anything.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Sept 19, 2017 17:21:26 GMT -5
I think more house shows should be shown on the Network. They also need to have title changes at them. Give WWE the feel that this is real competition and anyone can lose on any given night.
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Post by Artie Kendall on Sept 19, 2017 19:27:25 GMT -5
I know it's not a popular opinion but I think the matches on TV should be the house show, and TV should be used for jobbers, advancing storylines, and cutting promos.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Sept 19, 2017 19:49:43 GMT -5
Or you could just name the show after a famous WCW event. And watch people get p*ssed off that a "prestigious" WCW PPV has been relegated to a mere house show lol
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Post by bababooey on Sept 19, 2017 20:53:18 GMT -5
I know it's not a popular opinion but I think the matches on TV should be the house show, and TV should be used for jobbers, advancing storylines, and cutting promos. That's how it was before the Monday Night Wars and monthly PPVs. TV was pretty much seen as a commercial to get people to house shows. On TV the stars would be showcased, then you would want to go see them when they came to town. Then it changed to TV being a tool to sell PPV. Now I don't know what the hell they're trying to sell. If you don't buy the network they'll give it to you for free. We get midcard matches to main event RAW now because they assume people are just watching something else at that time. There's no purpose to anything anymore. Good TV will make people go to house shows. Stars people want to see will bring people to the shows. I go to house shows because I want to see certain stars. I typically always go when I can, but until recently I was choosing to just save my money and use it to do something else like traveling.
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Post by J12 on Sept 19, 2017 22:04:32 GMT -5
Those things aren't going to fix the house show business. House shows are primarily marketed to families, and for a lot of them, it's the only time they get to see WWE. Taking away title matches won't change anything. If anything, it might hurt their perceived importance to those fans who consider themselves lucky just to go to one house show a year.
I've never once seen a kid not be into a title match at a house show because he/she knew that the outcome was guaranteed. They cheer the babyface and boo the heel and hope like hell the babyface is going to pull out the win. There are exceptions, but by and large, they're still believers.
A show on the Network is unlikely to garner anything but fleeting interest from the die-hard fan who probably won't watch the match because, being die-hards, they know that most of the roster is only working at half-speed at live events and the match probably won't be anything all that special.
The only point I really agree with here is the card dilemma, but I sympathize with WWE's position on this too. Getting guys into a groove with certain workers helps make the house show circuit grind a little easier. Now, with that being said, I very much think the card should vary at least some when the shows are in very close proximity to one another. For example, I attended two back to back house shows in August that were only about 60 miles apart. I saw a lot of the same faces both nights, and the show was almost blow for blow identical (Cena worked the second night and not the first, but all of the matches that were featured both nights were carbon copies of one another.) That, to me, is problematic. Even then, though, you have to assume the vast majority of the audience is only attending one of the two shows, and those who are willing to drop the cash to be at both are likely a little more privy to the way house shows work.
I think ticket prices are pretty much in-line with the economy, with the exception of ringside. While I don't necessarily mind forking over $100 to sit front row, it wasn't all that long ago (4-5 years) that $60 got you that same ticket. After ringside, though, the prices drop fast and for those looking to get in the door, you really can't beat $15.
Good television and strong rosters are what draw people to buy tickets to house shows. According to ratings, WWE hasn't been putting out good television for quite some time. And, the way they book their characters is conducive to only 2-3 guys ever really having a dominant, featured role. So, take those guys out of the house show circuit (like they often do), and they're left with a card full of 50/50 booked quasi-main event/mid-card talent that don't put asses in the seats. It's been a problem for years, and they've shown no signs of changing it.
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Post by wrestlingfan20 on Sept 21, 2017 16:28:16 GMT -5
The biggest problem for house shows is the ticket prices and local advertising. The cheapest ones are going up to $20. The rest of lower level go up up to 75-80. Ringside up to row 5 and ramp seats are 100-125. This does not include parking, merchandise, food, etc. which is an additional 100 or so per family. House shows having less production and most top stars aren't in it (Orton Cena lesnar) also cost the same as a televised show. A family of 4 easily spends $150 all the way to $600 for a live event depending on where they sit. You also sacrifice buying a front row or ramp ticket to slap the wrestlers hands and they barley do that now, top stars only do it to a very few people as they leave.
Only the cheapest ones sell good, which is like 20%of arena. The rest of venue is empty.
Also they don't advertise. Most venues only advertise on Facebook like twice before they go on sale and again 3 days before the show. They hardly show any commercials and barely any ads outside the arena. You have to be checking the wwe website to find out.
If these problems would get resolved they would do WAY better
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Post by Hitman Bono on Sept 21, 2017 16:35:42 GMT -5
If the house show is going to be shown on the Network, why buy a ticket? I'm not disagreeing with you, but this argument has been made about every sport (pro wrestling included) since TV began. I mean, local blackouts absolutely were a thing when the WWF started running PPVs. They still continue in major sports. So obviously there's a strong argument to be made there. That being said, have you ever watched a PPV event on tape/dvd/network/ect that you had been to live? The only WWE event DVDs I have are of ones that I was at live. Interesting point you brought up there man. As far as helping House Shows, I honestly think that they need to do more angles. If one were to look at how the MSG shows were put together month to month back in the day, they'd see a great formula. So like, just do that all over the horn.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 21, 2017 22:24:32 GMT -5
I'm not great at introductions, so here's my ideas to improve WWE house shows, and possibly sell more tickets. 1. My main point: stop having so many title matches. At this point, everybody knows titles are never going to change on house shows. There's no reason that they should. Whenever there's a title match, you KNOW the champions are going to win (or lose by DQ). Combine that with the fact that 3/4 of the matches on the card are title matches, it's more predictable then the actual show. So if you have AJ Styles vs Sami Zayn for the US title for example, you know for a fact Styles is going over. But, if it's Styles vs Zayn non title at a house show anything could happen, Zayn could pull off a win. Adding this unpredictability would definitely sell some more tickets. 2. Don't have the same card back to back. If you go and read results of house shows, for about 5-6 shows back to back the results are almost cookie cutter. If you're that fourth show, you already know what you're going to see. They have a decently sized roster. Use enhancement talent if necessary, just keep things fresh. 3. Create a new show on the network: Some house show matches or moments that are reported to have blown the roof off the place. Everyone would want to see them, and they end up on YouTube and the WWE gets nothing of it. So tape one match every once and a while and put it on the Network. For example, that Nakamura vs Styles vs Zayn vs Owens match. Why waste that on a house show where nobody would see? Record it and put in on the Network! 4. Have some title matches. Now I know what I just said in #1, but hear me out. You make having a title match on a house show a big deal. Local advertise the hell out of it. Because now that there's the Network show in #3, title matches will end up on it. Make title matches feel like a rare occurance, and give the chance that the title might change hands. If you have these changes, I can all but guarantee more tickets will sell, and profits will go up. I couldnt disagree with you more. 1. Suspension of disbelief. If you "know" what the results are going to be, why bother attending at all? Most of us can pick winners of house show matches with some decent consistency. In addition, MANY of your results are based on babyfaces winning/hometown heroes winning. Combine that with the champions...makes it simple. House shows are designed to both make money and give wrestlers opportunities to try some new stuff, run ideas, try spots for feuds, etc. Matches on Raw and Smackdown are more designed to produce television. Give me a house show match over a Raw match anyday. 2. Read the results? You just told me how predictable everything is. What difference will the same lineup have on ticket sales? In the end, this simply takes away chances for the guys to develop chemistry. 3. Look at house shows as like a scrimmage of sorts. You dont go out to kill yourself, but you do take liberties here that you cant do on Raw or Smackdown or a PPV because it would be seen as out of character or perhaps you want to test an idea in front of an audience before trying to incorporate it into your characcter. Airing this on the network makes it just another tv show and restricts the talent. 4. They already have title matches and they already advertise those. Titles HAVE changed hands at house shows. Sometimes THAT result ends up being erased from history. Sometimes its not. Bret Hart won the WWF Title the first time at house show. Edge won his first IC Title at a house show. AJ and Owens just had a US title swap at a house show.
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Post by #DI-WHY? on Sept 22, 2017 1:18:30 GMT -5
I'm not great at introductions, so here's my ideas to improve WWE house shows, and possibly sell more tickets. 1. My main point: stop having so many title matches. At this point, everybody knows titles are never going to change on house shows. There's no reason that they should. Whenever there's a title match, you KNOW the champions are going to win (or lose by DQ). Combine that with the fact that 3/4 of the matches on the card are title matches, it's more predictable then the actual show. So if you have AJ Styles vs Sami Zayn for the US title for example, you know for a fact Styles is going over. But, if it's Styles vs Zayn non title at a house show anything could happen, Zayn could pull off a win. Adding this unpredictability would definitely sell some more tickets. 2. Don't have the same card back to back. If you go and read results of house shows, for about 5-6 shows back to back the results are almost cookie cutter. If you're that fourth show, you already know what you're going to see. They have a decently sized roster. Use enhancement talent if necessary, just keep things fresh. 3. Create a new show on the network: Some house show matches or moments that are reported to have blown the roof off the place. Everyone would want to see them, and they end up on YouTube and the WWE gets nothing of it. So tape one match every once and a while and put it on the Network. For example, that Nakamura vs Styles vs Zayn vs Owens match. Why waste that on a house show where nobody would see? Record it and put in on the Network! 4. Have some title matches. Now I know what I just said in #1, but hear me out. You make having a title match on a house show a big deal. Local advertise the hell out of it. Because now that there's the Network show in #3, title matches will end up on it. Make title matches feel like a rare occurance, and give the chance that the title might change hands. If you have these changes, I can all but guarantee more tickets will sell, and profits will go up. I couldnt disagree with you more. 1. Suspension of disbelief. If you "know" what the results are going to be, why bother attending at all? Most of us can pick winners of house show matches with some decent consistency. In addition, MANY of your results are based on babyfaces winning/hometown heroes winning. Combine that with the champions...makes it simple. House shows are designed to both make money and give wrestlers opportunities to try some new stuff, run ideas, try spots for feuds, etc. Matches on Raw and Smackdown are more designed to produce television. Give me a house show match over a Raw match anyday. 2. Read the results? You just told me how predictable everything is. What difference will the same lineup have on ticket sales? In the end, this simply takes away chances for the guys to develop chemistry. 3. Look at house shows as like a scrimmage of sorts. You dont go out to kill yourself, but you do take liberties here that you cant do on Raw or Smackdown or a PPV because it would be seen as out of character or perhaps you want to test an idea in front of an audience before trying to incorporate it into your characcter. Airing this on the network makes it just another tv show and restricts the talent. 4. They already have title matches and they already advertise those. Titles HAVE changed hands at house shows. Sometimes THAT result ends up being erased from history. Sometimes its not. Bret Hart won the WWF Title the first time at house show. Edge won his first IC Title at a house show. AJ and Owens just had a US title swap at a house show. I don't know if you understood any of my points. First off, with your "suspension of disbelief" part, that's exactly what I'm saying: if you already know the results, why go? With title matches, you know that 99% of the time titles won't change hands so how is that not predictable? Second, with your fourth point, I know they already have title matches. That's basically my entire first and fourth point. I'm just saying that they should have them MUCH less often, so you don't know whether or not a title could change, especially if the match could end up on the Network if the title does swap holders. When you have them 3-4 times a night, every night, it becomes much more predictable. Your third point is definitely valid, but if wrestlers only go out of their way to entertain on the matches they know will end up on the Network, it won't stress them too much. Also, if WWE begins to make more money with this system, they can pay the wrestlers more for their harder work. But overall, I think before you comment your disagreements next time you may want to read the original content better.
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Post by alanpartridge on Sept 22, 2017 7:51:21 GMT -5
Having some house show matches being put on the network may be a short term fix. I think WWE needs to improve the overall product. The WWE stars of today aren't as marketable as the wrestlers of yesterday.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 22, 2017 21:44:55 GMT -5
I couldnt disagree with you more. 1. Suspension of disbelief. If you "know" what the results are going to be, why bother attending at all? Most of us can pick winners of house show matches with some decent consistency. In addition, MANY of your results are based on babyfaces winning/hometown heroes winning. Combine that with the champions...makes it simple. House shows are designed to both make money and give wrestlers opportunities to try some new stuff, run ideas, try spots for feuds, etc. Matches on Raw and Smackdown are more designed to produce television. Give me a house show match over a Raw match anyday. 2. Read the results? You just told me how predictable everything is. What difference will the same lineup have on ticket sales? In the end, this simply takes away chances for the guys to develop chemistry. 3. Look at house shows as like a scrimmage of sorts. You dont go out to kill yourself, but you do take liberties here that you cant do on Raw or Smackdown or a PPV because it would be seen as out of character or perhaps you want to test an idea in front of an audience before trying to incorporate it into your characcter. Airing this on the network makes it just another tv show and restricts the talent. 4. They already have title matches and they already advertise those. Titles HAVE changed hands at house shows. Sometimes THAT result ends up being erased from history. Sometimes its not. Bret Hart won the WWF Title the first time at house show. Edge won his first IC Title at a house show. AJ and Owens just had a US title swap at a house show. I don't know if you understood any of my points. First off, with your "suspension of disbelief" part, that's exactly what I'm saying: if you already know the results, why go? With title matches, you know that 99% of the time titles won't change hands so how is that not predictable? Second, with your fourth point, I know they already have title matches. That's basically my entire first and fourth point. I'm just saying that they should have them MUCH less often, so you don't know whether or not a title could change, especially if the match could end up on the Network if the title does swap holders. When you have them 3-4 times a night, every night, it becomes much more predictable. Your third point is definitely valid, but if wrestlers only go out of their way to entertain on the matches they know will end up on the Network, it won't stress them too much. Also, if WWE begins to make more money with this system, they can pay the wrestlers more for their harder work. But overall, I think before you comment your disagreements next time you may want to read the original content better. 1. I got to be entertained and enjoy good wrestling matches. At a house show, I just watch and enjoy. Even if I know my guy is going to lose...I still freak out and boo when he does. 2. Having less title matches doesnt make it any less predictable. Just less chances to make the prediction. Percentages still stay the same. I dont think I misunderstood anything you wrote. I read it. Took it in and completely disagree with you.
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