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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Oct 6, 2017 15:34:35 GMT -5
Everyone seems to like the box more than the figure. I can see why, there are so many wrong parts used, and the head looks like Cena with a 'tache....
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Post by BorrachoBancho on Oct 6, 2017 16:23:31 GMT -5
Such a lazy effort by Mattel, but a lot of people will still gobble this up just for the belt.
I know collectors blow up over silly things, but it still bugs me when people defend Mattel over some of their bad decisions. They deserve the criticisms. A lot of bad/average figures would be good/great if Mattel would invest in just a small amount of newer molds. And furthermore,actually put effort into making sure the production factories use them. Even just 2 or 3 new molds each for thighs and torsos would make such a huge difference for their product.
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Post by guster on Oct 6, 2017 16:58:43 GMT -5
Such a lazy effort by Mattel, but a lot of people will still gobble this up just for the belt. I know collectors blow up over silly things, but it still bugs me when people defend Mattel over some of their bad decisions. They deserve the criticisms. A lot of bad/average figures would be good/great if Mattel would invest in just a small amount of newer molds. And furthermore,actually put effort into making sure the production factories use them. Even just 2 or 3 new molds each for thighs and torsos would make such a huge difference for their product. So you want these figures to be upwards of $30-40? This is a single release in a unique market for the first time. The tooling budget obviously went towards the head and the belt (a very complicated belt at that), which up until a couple months ago were unique to one wrestler, Tyler Bate. There's no guarantee there will be a second exclusive, so it's Mattel's job to make it cost effective as possible to hopefully lead to another exclusive. For all intents and purposes, this figure is a test run. If you compare this exclusive to RSC's past exclusives, it's right in line with the amount of newly tooled pieces. HBK is the only figure I counted that had two new pieces tooled (head and jacket) over the past couple years.
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Post by BorrachoBancho on Oct 6, 2017 17:38:22 GMT -5
Such a lazy effort by Mattel, but a lot of people will still gobble this up just for the belt. I know collectors blow up over silly things, but it still bugs me when people defend Mattel over some of their bad decisions. They deserve the criticisms. A lot of bad/average figures would be good/great if Mattel would invest in just a small amount of newer molds. And furthermore,actually put effort into making sure the production factories use them. Even just 2 or 3 new molds each for thighs and torsos would make such a huge difference for their product. So you want these figures to be upwards of $30-40? This is a single release in a unique market for the first time. The tooling budget obviously went towards the head and the belt (a very complicated belt at that), which up until a couple months ago were unique to one wrestler, Tyler Bate. There's no guarantee there will be a second exclusive, so it's Mattel's job to make it cost effective as possible to hopefully lead to another exclusive. For all intents and purposes, this figure is a test run. If you compare this exclusive to RSC's past exclusives, it's right in line with the amount of newly tooled pieces. HBK is the only figure I counted that had two new pieces tooled (head and jacket) over the past couple years. I'm not sure what part of my post suggested that this single figure should be uniquely made from the ground up. My suggestion for new molds is in regards to the line as a whole. Figure prices aren't going to suddenly double if Mattel invests in 4-5 new molds that can be used across the entire line of Elites. It's not like a thicker thigh mold for shorter guys would be used specifically for Bate and then discarded forever.
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Post by guster on Oct 6, 2017 18:22:38 GMT -5
So you want these figures to be upwards of $30-40? This is a single release in a unique market for the first time. The tooling budget obviously went towards the head and the belt (a very complicated belt at that), which up until a couple months ago were unique to one wrestler, Tyler Bate. There's no guarantee there will be a second exclusive, so it's Mattel's job to make it cost effective as possible to hopefully lead to another exclusive. For all intents and purposes, this figure is a test run. If you compare this exclusive to RSC's past exclusives, it's right in line with the amount of newly tooled pieces. HBK is the only figure I counted that had two new pieces tooled (head and jacket) over the past couple years. I'm not sure what part of my post suggested that this single figure should be uniquely made from the ground up. Sorry, that was more a general statement to everyone else complaining about tooling. So you want these figures to be upwards of $30-40? This is a single release in a unique market for the first time. The tooling budget obviously went towards the head and the belt (a very complicated belt at that), which up until a couple months ago were unique to one wrestler, Tyler Bate. There's no guarantee there will be a second exclusive, so it's Mattel's job to make it cost effective as possible to hopefully lead to another exclusive. For all intents and purposes, this figure is a test run. If you compare this exclusive to RSC's past exclusives, it's right in line with the amount of newly tooled pieces. HBK is the only figure I counted that had two new pieces tooled (head and jacket) over the past couple years. My suggestion for new molds is in regards to the line as a whole. Figure prices aren't going to suddenly double if Mattel invests in 4-5 new molds that can be used across the entire line of Elites. It's not like a thicker thigh mold for shorter guys would be used specifically for Bate and then discarded forever. That's not how business works. You don't just make random molds and wait on your ROI when the time comes for the part to be used. Every decision has a specific reason in regards to that particular budget and needs to be accounted for. This is a publicly traded company and there are people above Bill's pay grade who would be asking Bill, "Why did we spend R+D money on 3 new leg molds that haven't been used yet?" "Welll....we'll get to it...maybe. If we can find the right person." is not an acceptable answer when your financials are under scrutiny from a quarter to quarter basis and even month to month.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 18:39:36 GMT -5
So we are now accepting completely mediocre figures because the box is nice? Lol an absolutely terrible figure. Wrong torso, Wrong thighs. A shocking headscan. I mean his moustache isn't even correct. A massive pass for me Wow so much heat over a kids toy. Unfortunately with the fad and trend of collecting people forget these are toys not lifelike statues I'll use him as a jobber to lose to doink and irs That's upto you if you want to spend that kind of money on a jobber. Nobody asked for them to b3 like statues. But I'm willing to say that they didn't even scan bate for the head. It's absolutely terrible. Probably thought as long as a moustache is on it it'll look fine. Wrong.
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Post by Classic Collector: The Return on Oct 6, 2017 19:16:39 GMT -5
I have no idea who this guy is but the head looks to be an easy Shane Douglas minus the skin tone
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Post by screech on Oct 6, 2017 19:20:47 GMT -5
Horrible head sculpt but glad to see they're getting that UK belt out somehow.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Oct 6, 2017 19:58:33 GMT -5
Preordered mine just a minute ago. I'm stoked lol
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Post by bababooey on Oct 6, 2017 20:34:17 GMT -5
Even if you don't like Bate this should sell well. Great base for tons of customs.
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Post by B-Radimus Prime on Oct 6, 2017 23:02:19 GMT -5
Definitely should have chosen some different parts. But I’ll still get it and a couple more for customs.
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Post by BorrachoBancho on Oct 7, 2017 4:49:59 GMT -5
I'm not sure what part of my post suggested that this single figure should be uniquely made from the ground up. Sorry, that was more a general statement to everyone else complaining about tooling. My suggestion for new molds is in regards to the line as a whole. Figure prices aren't going to suddenly double if Mattel invests in 4-5 new molds that can be used across the entire line of Elites. It's not like a thicker thigh mold for shorter guys would be used specifically for Bate and then discarded forever. That's not how business works. You don't just make random molds and wait on your ROI when the time comes for the part to be used. Every decision has a specific reason in regards to that particular budget and needs to be accounted for. This is a publicly traded company and there are people above Bill's pay grade who would be asking Bill, "Why did we spend R+D money on 3 new leg molds that haven't been used yet?" "Welll....we'll get to it...maybe. If we can find the right person." is not an acceptable answer when your financials are under scrutiny from a quarter to quarter basis and even month to month. Ok, well how do you explain stuff like Boogeyman's pants or Berserker's boots? Do you really think those unique molds will see much more use in the near future to silence higher ups asking about this R&D money you mention? It's very likely that those will be "one and done" molds. The same goes for the up coming Elsworth torso. I'm sure other examples exist, but those are the most recent. It was awesome of Mattel to put in that effort for the figures, sure. But it lessens the weight of your argument that something as simple as a new thigh mold would need a ton of justification. A mold like that would see far more immediate use than furry boots, or furry voodoo man pants. The only debatable point is if Mattel is smart to look at it as an unnecessary investment. Which, as much as it pains me to admit, I can see their reasoning to not really care. Despite all the angry complaints, collectors rarely speak with their wallet when Mattel makes a bad or inaccurate figure. They're blessed with customers that are typically very easy to please. If a golf ball shouldered Rhyno, and now 2 mega shredded versions of the fairly doughy looking Big Cass can fly off the shelf (though the next Cass may shelf warm due to him being off TV and turning heel), I suppose there really isn't a dire need to improve the chicken legs on guys like AJ, Seth, or Bate. Anyways, sorry to get off topic. On a somewhat related note, I've been trying to check in with some of my customers to see who plans to buy this thing. I'm hoping one of them will let me do a quick repaint on the head to see if an even better likeness of Bate can be pulled out from it.
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Post by Professor Sparlin on Oct 7, 2017 8:08:01 GMT -5
Looks like JYD and Tito made a friend.
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Post by guster on Oct 7, 2017 9:23:07 GMT -5
Sorry, that was more a general statement to everyone else complaining about tooling. That's not how business works. You don't just make random molds and wait on your ROI when the time comes for the part to be used. Every decision has a specific reason in regards to that particular budget and needs to be accounted for. This is a publicly traded company and there are people above Bill's pay grade who would be asking Bill, "Why did we spend R+D money on 3 new leg molds that haven't been used yet?" "Welll....we'll get to it...maybe. If we can find the right person." is not an acceptable answer when your financials are under scrutiny from a quarter to quarter basis and even month to month. Ok, well how do you explain stuff like Boogeyman's pants or Berserker's boots? Do you really think those unique molds will see much more use in the near future to silence higher ups asking about this R&D money you mention? It's very likely that those will be "one and done" molds. The same goes for the up coming Elsworth torso. I'm sure other examples exist, but those are the most recent. It was awesome of Mattel to put in that effort for the figures, sure. But it lessens the weight of your argument that something as simple as a new thigh mold would need a ton of justification. A mold like that would see far more immediate use than furry boots, or furry voodoo man pants. The only debatable point is if Mattel is smart to look at it as an unnecessary investment. Which, as much as it pains me to admit, I can see their reasoning to not really care. Despite all the angry complaints, collectors rarely speak with their wallet when Mattel makes a bad or inaccurate figure. They're blessed with customers that are typically very easy to please. If a golf ball shouldered Rhyno, and now 2 mega shredded versions of the fairly doughy looking Big Cass can fly off the shelf (though the next Cass may shelf warm due to him being off TV and turning heel), I suppose there really isn't a dire need to improve the chicken legs on guys like AJ, Seth, or Bate. Anyways, sorry to get off topic. On a somewhat related note, I've been trying to check in with some of my customers to see who plans to buy this thing. I'm hoping one of them will let me do a quick repaint on the head to see if an even better likeness of Bate can be pulled out from it. Every line has a certain budget. The Boogeyman pants and Berserker boots were worked into those lines particular budgets. This goes back to what I said earlier. Every decision is accounted for. Those parts were made for specific reasons and yes, most likely a one off. But when you have 6 figures in a line, Mattel has more wiggle room to not allocate as much money into say a Roman Reigns who already has existing parts in the same set, which in turn leaves money for more unique one-off parts. When it comes to an exclusive, there is no wiggle room to take money from other figures to develop unique parts which goes back to my point about RSC exclusives usually only have one or two new unique molds. If Bate was in a regular elite line, there may be more of a budget to allocate to Bate, but Bate has only appeared on NXT a handful of times. An exclusive is really the only way to get him out at this time until he gets more screen time. What you suggested is to develop molds for non-existing lines for future release for unknown figures which aren't accounted for.
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Post by Decky on Oct 7, 2017 9:31:04 GMT -5
This is what every wrestling figure I own looks like to somebody who doesn't like wrestling lol
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Post by zoomfactor32 on Oct 7, 2017 9:46:26 GMT -5
I just preordered this figure. I like what I've seen of Bate, and I'm glad to get a figure of him. The figure is a little plain looking, but I'm still excited for it. Hopefully Dunne will get a figure soon too!
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Post by James St. James on Oct 7, 2017 17:43:01 GMT -5
Super boring, but gives me hope for the speedy release of a Kairi Sane, then again, it's lack of......anything interesting aside from the belt probably sped up the process.
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Post by BADMON on Oct 7, 2017 19:21:13 GMT -5
Garbage, utter garbage.
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Post by #HANDSOME1 on Oct 7, 2017 20:03:10 GMT -5
Nothing special but I'll grab one.
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Post by poindizzle on Oct 7, 2017 21:25:48 GMT -5
It is neither bad nor good to me, but the packaging looks amazing and I'm a belt whore.
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