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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 7:25:54 GMT -5
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Post by Liv Is Life on Oct 11, 2017 7:38:36 GMT -5
Such a damn shame. Neville has been the breakout performer of 2017, hands down. I have zero issue with Enzo doing his thing on 205 Live as it's helping that brand, but Neville should have been lifted to the main roster and really given some stuff to work with.
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Post by havoc7179 on Oct 11, 2017 8:48:44 GMT -5
Illogical news.
1) Some reports say Neville was going to face Enzo FOR the title before walking out. - Logically, froma standpoint, makes no sense. Dirtsheets grasping at straws. He attacked Enzo. Enzo had a clause that if you touched him, no shot at the title.
2) Some reports say he was going to face him one on one in a non title. Bit more plausible, but illogical since they introduced Kalisto last week. And if he was scheduled to lose...
3) ...and if it was a non-title match, why not just do another non-title with Kalisto? Or if they wanted to save the match until the PPV, have it be Ali or Dar, or any of the others. I know it's SO RARE that WWE would have PPV opponents fight each other the weeks leading up to the PPV, but maybe they could do it here? Just think how amazing it would have been to see the Bar and Rollins adn Ambrose fight each week until their match at No Mercy? Oh that happened. So it's not outside the realm of WWE logic to do that.
4) Neville is/was the King of the Cruiserweights. It would be beneath him storyline wise to be out there with the other lumberjacks. It would be like having John Cena out there to break up a fight with the rest of the Roster.
They didn't need him at Raw. They sent him home. It's not a punishment. It's not a "I quit". It's a logical storyline progression that dirt sheet writers are trying to find a hidden meaning.
Until I see a future endeavor story on WWE.com, I'm siding with logic.
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Post by mrmonkeyofficial on Oct 11, 2017 8:51:49 GMT -5
I hope not, he's a good heel, and a fantastic wrestler, and if this is true, what does this mean for his elite?
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Oct 11, 2017 9:17:58 GMT -5
Illogical news. 1) Some reports say Neville was going to face Enzo FOR the title before walking out. - Logically, froma standpoint, makes no sense. Dirtsheets grasping at straws. He attacked Enzo. Enzo had a clause that if you touched him, no shot at the title. 2) Some reports say he was going to face him one on one in a non title. Bit more plausible, but illogical since they introduced Kalisto last week. And if he was scheduled to lose... 3) ...and if it was a non-title match, why not just do another non-title with Kalisto? Or if they wanted to save the match until the PPV, have it be Ali or Dar, or any of the others. I know it's SO RARE that WWE would have PPV opponents fight each other the weeks leading up to the PPV, but maybe they could do it here? Just think how amazing it would have been to see the Bar and Rollins adn Ambrose fight each week until their match at No Mercy? Oh that happened. So it's not outside the realm of WWE logic to do that. 4) Neville is/was the King of the Cruiserweights. It would be beneath him storyline wise to be out there with the other lumberjacks. It would be like having John Cena out there to break up a fight with the rest of the Roster. They didn't need him at Raw. They sent him home. It's not a punishment. It's not a "I quit". It's a logical storyline progression that dirt sheet writers are trying to find a hidden meaning. Until I see a future endeavor story on WWE.com, I'm siding with logic. Best post in the thread so far, well done sir 👏🏽 Always side with logic. |
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Post by robbutler01 on Oct 11, 2017 9:36:33 GMT -5
it is a shame and he deserved better but people leaving is how it always used to be. Hopefully it gives him a chance to improve his options and return at some point down the line and get the push he deserves
Still a waste of a top performer though
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Post by J12 on Oct 11, 2017 10:12:30 GMT -5
Illogical news. 1) Some reports say Neville was going to face Enzo FOR the title before walking out. - Logically, froma standpoint, makes no sense. Dirtsheets grasping at straws. He attacked Enzo. Enzo had a clause that if you touched him, no shot at the title. 2) Some reports say he was going to face him one on one in a non title. Bit more plausible, but illogical since they introduced Kalisto last week. And if he was scheduled to lose... 3) ...and if it was a non-title match, why not just do another non-title with Kalisto? Or if they wanted to save the match until the PPV, have it be Ali or Dar, or any of the others. I know it's SO RARE that WWE would have PPV opponents fight each other the weeks leading up to the PPV, but maybe they could do it here? Just think how amazing it would have been to see the Bar and Rollins adn Ambrose fight each week until their match at No Mercy? Oh that happened. So it's not outside the realm of WWE logic to do that. 4) Neville is/was the King of the Cruiserweights. It would be beneath him storyline wise to be out there with the other lumberjacks. It would be like having John Cena out there to break up a fight with the rest of the Roster. They didn't need him at Raw. They sent him home. It's not a punishment. It's not a "I quit". It's a logical storyline progression that dirt sheet writers are trying to find a hidden meaning. Until I see a future endeavor story on WWE.com, I'm siding with logic. Eh. WWE doesn't regularly send roster members home for TV unless they're injured. It's pretty much always all-hands on deck unless they're not being featured on television at all (someone like Summer Rae, for example, who is healthy, but not used.) Plus, Meltzer is reporting it was a walk out, and he doesn't usually get that stuff wrong. I know the cool thing around here is to rag on him, but he's right about this backstage stuff way more often than he's not. |
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Post by JC Motors on Oct 11, 2017 10:15:37 GMT -5
This is a shocker
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Post by havoc7179 on Oct 11, 2017 10:38:53 GMT -5
Illogical news. 1) Some reports say Neville was going to face Enzo FOR the title before walking out. - Logically, froma standpoint, makes no sense. Dirtsheets grasping at straws. He attacked Enzo. Enzo had a clause that if you touched him, no shot at the title. 2) Some reports say he was going to face him one on one in a non title. Bit more plausible, but illogical since they introduced Kalisto last week. And if he was scheduled to lose... 3) ...and if it was a non-title match, why not just do another non-title with Kalisto? Or if they wanted to save the match until the PPV, have it be Ali or Dar, or any of the others. I know it's SO RARE that WWE would have PPV opponents fight each other the weeks leading up to the PPV, but maybe they could do it here? Just think how amazing it would have been to see the Bar and Rollins adn Ambrose fight each week until their match at No Mercy? Oh that happened. So it's not outside the realm of WWE logic to do that. 4) Neville is/was the King of the Cruiserweights. It would be beneath him storyline wise to be out there with the other lumberjacks. It would be like having John Cena out there to break up a fight with the rest of the Roster. They didn't need him at Raw. They sent him home. It's not a punishment. It's not a "I quit". It's a logical storyline progression that dirt sheet writers are trying to find a hidden meaning. Until I see a future endeavor story on WWE.com, I'm siding with logic. Eh. WWE doesn't regularly send roster members home for TV unless they're injured. It's pretty much always all-hands on deck unless they're not being featured on television at all (someone like Summer Rae, for example, who is healthy, but not used.) Plus, Meltzer is reporting it was a walk out, and he doesn't usually get that stuff wrong. I know the cool thing around here is to rag on him, but he's right about this backstage stuff way more often than he's not. Not saying he's wrong, but until WWE confirms, I'm not going to worry. Plus, in the past year: Meltzer said AJ was going to Raw at the Shakeup. Or at least strongly suggested it. I've been watching Raw (oh god. I've been watching Raw) since the shakeup. Never saw him there. Meltzer also said Dana Brooke was in line for the WWE Raw Women's title. I'm assuming it must have occurred at a house show in Cancun, because it sure as heck didn't happen hee. And I do love that Summerslam matchup between Nakamura and AJ. It was a classic. Good thing he reported that it was happening. Also, shame that he was the one that explained why Sane couldn't use her elbow drop any more because of Bayley. That top rope elbow like drop that she does is a decent fill in for now. And then there was that thing about Aiden English crying being reported as a jab at Mauro And I think it was him that reported Kevin Owens is being called KO because he's Kinda Overweight. And Mauro Ranallo being referred to as MR because he's mentally re.... Heavens forbid those are their initials. Yes. Most of those were speculations based on him talking to his sources. Don't know how much his sources were relied upon in this report, but the thing is, he's been wrong before and countless other times. He looks for meaning behind every action so that if somehow the stars align and he's right, he's the Oracle of Professional Wrestling. And, is it not possible that Neville is in fact injured? |
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Post by tylerbreezee on Oct 11, 2017 10:43:19 GMT -5
Illogical news. 1) Some reports say Neville was going to face Enzo FOR the title before walking out. - Logically, froma standpoint, makes no sense. Dirtsheets grasping at straws. He attacked Enzo. Enzo had a clause that if you touched him, no shot at the title. 2) Some reports say he was going to face him one on one in a non title. Bit more plausible, but illogical since they introduced Kalisto last week. And if he was scheduled to lose... 3) ...and if it was a non-title match, why not just do another non-title with Kalisto? Or if they wanted to save the match until the PPV, have it be Ali or Dar, or any of the others. I know it's SO RARE that WWE would have PPV opponents fight each other the weeks leading up to the PPV, but maybe they could do it here? Just think how amazing it would have been to see the Bar and Rollins adn Ambrose fight each week until their match at No Mercy? Oh that happened. So it's not outside the realm of WWE logic to do that. 4) Neville is/was the King of the Cruiserweights. It would be beneath him storyline wise to be out there with the other lumberjacks. It would be like having John Cena out there to break up a fight with the rest of the Roster. They didn't need him at Raw. They sent him home. It's not a punishment. It's not a "I quit". It's a logical storyline progression that dirt sheet writers are trying to find a hidden meaning. Until I see a future endeavor story on WWE.com, I'm siding with logic. Neville was entitled to a rematch so even though he attacked him, it didn't matter. |
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Post by havoc7179 on Oct 11, 2017 10:49:02 GMT -5
Illogical news. 1) Some reports say Neville was going to face Enzo FOR the title before walking out. - Logically, froma standpoint, makes no sense. Dirtsheets grasping at straws. He attacked Enzo. Enzo had a clause that if you touched him, no shot at the title. 2) Some reports say he was going to face him one on one in a non title. Bit more plausible, but illogical since they introduced Kalisto last week. And if he was scheduled to lose... 3) ...and if it was a non-title match, why not just do another non-title with Kalisto? Or if they wanted to save the match until the PPV, have it be Ali or Dar, or any of the others. I know it's SO RARE that WWE would have PPV opponents fight each other the weeks leading up to the PPV, but maybe they could do it here? Just think how amazing it would have been to see the Bar and Rollins adn Ambrose fight each week until their match at No Mercy? Oh that happened. So it's not outside the realm of WWE logic to do that. 4) Neville is/was the King of the Cruiserweights. It would be beneath him storyline wise to be out there with the other lumberjacks. It would be like having John Cena out there to break up a fight with the rest of the Roster. They didn't need him at Raw. They sent him home. It's not a punishment. It's not a "I quit". It's a logical storyline progression that dirt sheet writers are trying to find a hidden meaning. Until I see a future endeavor story on WWE.com, I'm siding with logic. Neville was entitled to a rematch so even though he attacked him, it didn't matter. Did Styles and Cena get their rematch yet? The rematch clause is not always followed. |
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Post by J12 on Oct 11, 2017 10:55:31 GMT -5
Eh. WWE doesn't regularly send roster members home for TV unless they're injured. It's pretty much always all-hands on deck unless they're not being featured on television at all (someone like Summer Rae, for example, who is healthy, but not used.) Plus, Meltzer is reporting it was a walk out, and he doesn't usually get that stuff wrong. I know the cool thing around here is to rag on him, but he's right about this backstage stuff way more often than he's not. Not saying he's wrong, but until WWE confirms, I'm not going to worry. Plus, in the past year: Meltzer said AJ was going to Raw at the Shakeup. Or at least strongly suggested it. I've been watching Raw (oh god. I've been watching Raw) since the shakeup. Never saw him there. Meltzer also said Dana Brooke was in line for the WWE Raw Women's title. I'm assuming it must have occurred at a house show in Cancun, because it sure as heck didn't happen hee. And I do love that Summerslam matchup between Nakamura and AJ. It was a classic. Good thing he reported that it was happening. Also, shame that he was the one that explained why Sane couldn't use her elbow drop any more because of Bayley. That top rope elbow like drop that she does is a decent fill in for now. And then there was that thing about Aiden English crying being reported as a jab at Mauro And I think it was him that reported Kevin Owens is being called KO because he's Kinda Overweight. And Mauro Ranallo being referred to as MR because he's mentally re.... Heavens forbid those are their initials. Yes. Most of those were speculations based on him talking to his sources. Don't know how much his sources were relied upon in this report, but the thing is, he's been wrong before and countless other times. He looks for meaning behind every action so that if somehow the stars align and he's right, he's the Oracle of Professional Wrestling. And, is it not possible that Neville is in fact injured? As you said, most of that is storyline stuff, and as we know, Vince changes his mind constantly. I'm far less apt to take that stuff seriously (not because it's necessarily purely speculation, but because plans change so rapidly) than something like this, which isn't just coming from Meltzer. The rest of it could very well be true, despite sounding ridiculous, because of the sheer number of confirmed examples of Vince McMahon being unbelievably petty and cruel. It's certainly possible that this all winds up being much ado about nothing, but if there weren't any truth behind it, or if his absence was related to injury, it could be explained away very quickly and very easily by either party involved. Thus far, they've been quiet, save for WWE's "he hasn't been released." That doesn't really bode all that well. |
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Post by havoc7179 on Oct 11, 2017 11:09:47 GMT -5
Not saying he's wrong, but until WWE confirms, I'm not going to worry. Plus, in the past year: Meltzer said AJ was going to Raw at the Shakeup. Or at least strongly suggested it. I've been watching Raw (oh god. I've been watching Raw) since the shakeup. Never saw him there. Meltzer also said Dana Brooke was in line for the WWE Raw Women's title. I'm assuming it must have occurred at a house show in Cancun, because it sure as heck didn't happen hee. And I do love that Summerslam matchup between Nakamura and AJ. It was a classic. Good thing he reported that it was happening. Also, shame that he was the one that explained why Sane couldn't use her elbow drop any more because of Bayley. That top rope elbow like drop that she does is a decent fill in for now. And then there was that thing about Aiden English crying being reported as a jab at Mauro And I think it was him that reported Kevin Owens is being called KO because he's Kinda Overweight. And Mauro Ranallo being referred to as MR because he's mentally re.... Heavens forbid those are their initials. Yes. Most of those were speculations based on him talking to his sources. Don't know how much his sources were relied upon in this report, but the thing is, he's been wrong before and countless other times. He looks for meaning behind every action so that if somehow the stars align and he's right, he's the Oracle of Professional Wrestling. And, is it not possible that Neville is in fact injured? As you said, most of that is storyline stuff, and as we know, Vince changes his mind constantly. I'm far less apt to take that stuff seriously (not because it's necessarily purely speculation, but because plans change so rapidly) than something like this, which isn't just coming from Meltzer. The rest of it could very well be true, despite sounding ridiculous, because of the sheer number of confirmed examples of Vince McMahon being unbelievably petty and cruel. It's certainly possible that this all winds up being much ado about nothing, but if there weren't any truth behind it, or if his absence was related to injury, it could be explained away very quickly and very easily by either party involved. Thus far, they've been quiet, save for WWE's "he hasn't been released." That doesn't really bode all that well. That's certainly true. Perhaps its to build suspense for a return? Only they know for sure. |
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Oct 11, 2017 11:14:18 GMT -5
If this is true, I’ll be very disappointed in the whole situation. As others have said, Neville has been one of the best things in wrestling over the last year. I’d also be disappointed if it has anything to do with 205 Live. Because IMO I think the division is better than people give it credit for. I also think if Neville isn’t in the foreseeable title plans, he’s earned the right to be promoted to the regular roster. Hope it gets debunked soon. The following rant is somewhat on topic. The Cruisers have a plethora of talent and a wide backlog of really good-great matches. But there's no effort fron the writers part. We see the same matches over and over and feuds drag on for what seems like forever. NXT succeeds because of the effort put into it. The writers strive to make the show must see at least to some degree. The cruisers are presenter almost like an afterthought and their show feels like another D Level show nobody cares to watch. |
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Post by Kanenite on Oct 11, 2017 11:26:33 GMT -5
Oh man I'm going to be bummed if Neville is leaving. First Aries, and now Neville!?
The CW Division is very dead and two very talented guys gone this year.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Oct 11, 2017 11:40:01 GMT -5
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Post by ohernan6 on Oct 11, 2017 13:39:02 GMT -5
Illogical news. 1) Some reports say Neville was going to face Enzo FOR the title before walking out. - Logically, froma standpoint, makes no sense. Dirtsheets grasping at straws. He attacked Enzo. Enzo had a clause that if you touched him, no shot at the title. 2) Some reports say he was going to face him one on one in a non title. Bit more plausible, but illogical since they introduced Kalisto last week. And if he was scheduled to lose... 3) ...and if it was a non-title match, why not just do another non-title with Kalisto? Or if they wanted to save the match until the PPV, have it be Ali or Dar, or any of the others. I know it's SO RARE that WWE would have PPV opponents fight each other the weeks leading up to the PPV, but maybe they could do it here? Just think how amazing it would have been to see the Bar and Rollins adn Ambrose fight each week until their match at No Mercy? Oh that happened. So it's not outside the realm of WWE logic to do that. 4) Neville is/was the King of the Cruiserweights. It would be beneath him storyline wise to be out there with the other lumberjacks. It would be like having John Cena out there to break up a fight with the rest of the Roster. They didn't need him at Raw. They sent him home. It's not a punishment. It's not a "I quit". It's a logical storyline progression that dirt sheet writers are trying to find a hidden meaning. Until I see a future endeavor story on WWE.com, I'm siding with logic. I agree with all your points but along with storyline logic... let's add performer logic as well: Neville's been positioned as the dominant champion for most of the year. He rarely lost. Announcers praise everything he does, even though he's a heel. He's always featured on RAW. After all this, the minute he loses his title after a tremendously dominant run he wants to quit??? Losing to Enzo is no big deal. There was a point Cena was green af and he made Benoit and Angle tap... ish happens. Plus, he only has about 2 years on the main roster — he's still in the middle of paying his dues as far as I'm concerned. I'm having a hard time believing this story because no one can be that self-centered and ungrateful. |
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Post by Will on Oct 11, 2017 14:47:29 GMT -5
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Post by theMOESIAH on Oct 11, 2017 16:22:32 GMT -5
Eh. WWE doesn't regularly send roster members home for TV unless they're injured. It's pretty much always all-hands on deck unless they're not being featured on television at all (someone like Summer Rae, for example, who is healthy, but not used.) Plus, Meltzer is reporting it was a walk out, and he doesn't usually get that stuff wrong. I know the cool thing around here is to rag on him, but he's right about this backstage stuff way more often than he's not. Not saying he's wrong, but until WWE confirms, I'm not going to worry. Plus, in the past year: Meltzer said AJ was going to Raw at the Shakeup. Or at least strongly suggested it. I've been watching Raw (oh god. I've been watching Raw) since the shakeup. Never saw him there. Meltzer also said Dana Brooke was in line for the WWE Raw Women's title. I'm assuming it must have occurred at a house show in Cancun, because it sure as heck didn't happen hee. And I do love that Summerslam matchup between Nakamura and AJ. It was a classic. Good thing he reported that it was happening. Also, shame that he was the one that explained why Sane couldn't use her elbow drop any more because of Bayley. That top rope elbow like drop that she does is a decent fill in for now. And then there was that thing about Aiden English crying being reported as a jab at Mauro And I think it was him that reported Kevin Owens is being called KO because he's Kinda Overweight. And Mauro Ranallo being referred to as MR because he's mentally re.... Heavens forbid those are their initials. Yes. Most of those were speculations based on him talking to his sources. Don't know how much his sources were relied upon in this report, but the thing is, he's been wrong before and countless other times. He looks for meaning behind every action so that if somehow the stars align and he's right, he's the Oracle of Professional Wrestling. And, is it not possible that Neville is in fact injured? I don't believe a word that Dave Meltzer says but this has been so widely reported they I'm thinking there's something to it. |
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Oct 11, 2017 17:26:28 GMT -5
EFF I hope that isn't true. One of the few people on the entire roster that keep me watching and now he may be gone? I was touting Neville as far and away the MVP of WWE in 2017, and regardless of the outcome of this I stand by that.
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