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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Oct 14, 2017 20:47:39 GMT -5
Every time I see a wrestler who used to work for WWE post about making more money on the Indy scene I just laugh. I doubt Vince gives a if they make more there. He knows that he's still the main player because most who leave eventually come back. WWE is literally the end all be all of wrestling. Stars from all over the world eventually come to WWE. Biggest name and biggest stage. Is it everyone's dream to get there and stay? Maybe not. But anyone who says they don't want to go to WWE is lying. Except the Young Bucks. They says they don't want to because they know the E won't take them. It's good to see Independent wrestling promotions thriving, though. Not everyone can wrestle in WWE at any given time.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 14, 2017 22:38:41 GMT -5
If you can be on WWE TV for 6 months and then leave, you could make a killing on the indy scene for well over a year just based on your WWE TV time alone. Let alone if you get yourself over on the Indy scene, you could make a career wrestling in bingo halls for 300 fans who show passion, compared to the 10,000 fans at arenas on Raw who are bored out of their mind. How long can you really do indies for and keep making the big money though? Eventually your name loses value. Smartest thing to do is be like Punk. Work your ass off in WWE, save and invest your money and you don't have to worry about indies I think if you market yourself right, can perform inside the ring and branch off into other entertainment ventures...a LONG TIME. Cody Rhodes has laid the blue print of success in the indys. We all knew Cody was good and even showed some very creative aspects to himself in WWE, even if it was in minor blips. What we didnt know was just how capable he was inside the ring and just how creative he could be in developing his character. Is Cody a bigger star today than he was when he was Stardust or Dashing or whatever...no. WWE remains the big stage. But it seems he is financially satisfied and very happy with his career today. He gets to dictate his own terms. He wrestles where and who he wants. He has outside ventures with autograph conventions, guest appearances on Arrow, his branded wine and marketing with a major retailer in Hot Topic. Cody has complete and utter freedom. Could he have done this without WWE? Absolutely not. But Cody wasnt a huge star while he was there. But he had a name and he had a Legacy from his father. He parlayed that to possibly the largest amount of success for a talent that upped and left WWE.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Oct 14, 2017 22:45:48 GMT -5
How long can you really do indies for and keep making the big money though? Eventually your name loses value. Smartest thing to do is be like Punk. Work your ass off in WWE, save and invest your money and you don't have to worry about indies I think if you market yourself right, can perform inside the ring and branch off into other entertainment ventures...a LONG TIME. Cody Rhodes has laid the blue print of success in the indys. We all knew Cody was good and even showed some very creative aspects to himself in WWE, even if it was in minor blips. What we didnt know was just how capable he was inside the ring and just how creative he could be in developing his character. Is Cody a bigger star today than he was when he was Stardust or Dashing or whatever...no. WWE remains the big stage. But it seems he is financially satisfied and very happy with his career today. He gets to dictate his own terms. He wrestles where and who he wants. He has outside ventures with autograph conventions, guest appearances on Arrow, his branded wine and marketing with a major retailer in Hot Topic. Cody has complete and utter freedom. Could he have done this without WWE? Absolutely not. But Cody wasnt a huge star while he was there. But he had a name and he had a Legacy from his father. He parlayed that to possibly the largest amount of success for a talent that upped and left WWE. Idk I think he is one of the few that can. Look how many people have been let go by WWE not even asked for a release and didna round or 2 of indies and fizzled off. I honestly didn't know Cody was involved with all that. How many guys really are? There is such a large number of guys that have been with WWE And don't get any kind of bookings anymore. While it is nice to be able to pick your days working and not working how many guys can really afford to take off? I don't really know the price per booking but in a way you have to make as much as you can. You ever really know what's around the corner. The WWE paychecks are great for future stability. Indies... idk. You can't wrestle Forever. So you have to make the money while you can. Even if you were to let's say wrestle and keep your name around, how long would you want to keep going? Cody has to be in what? His late 30s? I don't really know just going off a guess. You're body is going to want to slow up sooner or later probably sooner.
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Post by kimberlasskick on Oct 14, 2017 23:20:53 GMT -5
apollo crews heath slater zack ryder
are three names i can see wanting to go
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Post by marino13 on Oct 14, 2017 23:54:21 GMT -5
We all need to thank John Edwards for the very insightful prediction!
I’m sure there probably are people thinking about leaving. But that’s always the case. That’s just like writing a report saying “many independent wrestlers striving for WWE contract”. No s**t Sherlock.
These “breaking reports” are put out only to get all the naysayers all excited. Don’t get too caught up in it.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 15, 2017 0:15:27 GMT -5
I think if you market yourself right, can perform inside the ring and branch off into other entertainment ventures...a LONG TIME. Cody Rhodes has laid the blue print of success in the indys. We all knew Cody was good and even showed some very creative aspects to himself in WWE, even if it was in minor blips. What we didnt know was just how capable he was inside the ring and just how creative he could be in developing his character. Is Cody a bigger star today than he was when he was Stardust or Dashing or whatever...no. WWE remains the big stage. But it seems he is financially satisfied and very happy with his career today. He gets to dictate his own terms. He wrestles where and who he wants. He has outside ventures with autograph conventions, guest appearances on Arrow, his branded wine and marketing with a major retailer in Hot Topic. Cody has complete and utter freedom. Could he have done this without WWE? Absolutely not. But Cody wasnt a huge star while he was there. But he had a name and he had a Legacy from his father. He parlayed that to possibly the largest amount of success for a talent that upped and left WWE. Idk I think he is one of the few that can. Look how many people have been let go by WWE not even asked for a release and didna round or 2 of indies and fizzled off. I honestly didn't know Cody was involved with all that. How many guys really are? There is such a large number of guys that have been with WWE And don't get any kind of bookings anymore. While it is nice to be able to pick your days working and not working how many guys can really afford to take off? I don't really know the price per booking but in a way you have to make as much as you can. You ever really know what's around the corner. The WWE paychecks are great for future stability. Indies... idk. You can't wrestle Forever. So you have to make the money while you can. Even if you were to let's say wrestle and keep your name around, how long would you want to keep going? Cody has to be in what? His late 30s? I don't really know just going off a guess. You're body is going to want to slow up sooner or later probably sooner. You are 100% right. Cody is NOT the norm. Not by a longshot. There are guys that have made a damn decent living on the indys and never made it to WWE. Christopher Daniels is one that comes to mind. He has been in this business for nearly 30 years now. While he hasnt ventured to the level of Cody Rhodes, he certainly has made more than sufficient living, controls his career and has ventured into smaller levels of entertainment. There are definitely WAY more guys that have failed, flopped or just blew it. Ryback was someone who came out of WWE and was getting a ton of bookings and appearances to start. And now he has almost completely fizzled out. There are some guys who came out of WWE and over valued their brand and got crap for bookings. I wont name names, but a few guys thought they were worth BIG BUCKS. There is definitely a BIG GAMBLE when it comes to indys. There is also not a long history of guys making it big. But not everyone had the skill, ability or intelligence of Cody Rhodes. And some may try and follow his path and fail. But the blue print is set. IF you can follow Cody's groundwork, you can be just as successful. No, its not guaranteed money...but its pretty close to it. Autograph conventions are everywhere on almost every weekend. I couldnt tell you what Cody charges now, but I can tell you when he first came off of WWE and for several months thereafter, he set himself a solid price...one that doesnt bankrupt the promoter, but one that Cody aint going broke over. Dude did PHENOMENAL business. It helps that he has a fantastic personality and is so damn humble. Its hard to not like Cody. Its hard not to root for the guy. I think Cody is in his EARLY 30s at worse. You are right..who knows how long he has to be active in the ring? But the same would be said if he was in WWE. The great thing about pro wrestling is there is life outside the ring and Cody has already shown that and gotten himself a head start. If you play your cards right, you can easily make yourself a comfortable living by doing conventions alone. But being the smart cookie that Cody is...dude diversified and has his hands in many jars. He doesnt have to worry about an injury ending his career tomorrow. He will be able to provide nonetheless. A guy like Neville has the talent to do the same. I think Punk REALLY could have pulled it off had he chosen to do so. Hes one of those iconic stars. He has ventured into other avenues, so that helps him diversify. But he could have written his own ticket each and every week if he wanted to.
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Post by k5 on Oct 15, 2017 0:43:49 GMT -5
ziggler would’ve been smart to leave for a while now.
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Post by hbkowns on Oct 15, 2017 1:25:56 GMT -5
The indies are absolutely on fire right now. Probably more than they ever were. Talent leaving elsewhere and creating buzz on a different platform is great for the business overall. It's going to take a number of talents going elsewhere to make an impact. Competition makes the industry flourish. Everyone will make more money.
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Post by PrincessOfSunlight on Oct 15, 2017 3:01:22 GMT -5
Well it is the land of opportunity on the outside. The majority of guys now in wwe know that they've got little chance of moving up the card unless they either grow in height magically or blow up like Jinder and you need both because Neville was jacked to the gills but they weren't interested and look what they're currently putting Finn through. The template of who gets the big push in this company has been laid down and disqualifies at least a good 70% of the roster. The NXT model is clearly being ignored on the main shows and that spells trouble for guys that are smaller going through there. *Cough Adam Cole cough*.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 15, 2017 7:35:51 GMT -5
Well it is the land of opportunity on the outside. The majority of guys now in wwe know that they've got little chance of moving up the card unless they either grow in height magically or blow up like Jinder and you need both because Neville was jacked to the gills but they weren't interested and look what they're currently putting Finn through. The template of who gets the big push in this company has been laid down and disqualifies at least a good 70% of the roster. The NXT model is clearly being ignored on the main shows and that spells trouble for guys that are smaller going through there. *Cough Adam Cole cough*. Kevin Owens won the last PPV main event, ahead of Jinder's position on the card. Is KO really tall or jacked to the gills? He doesn't look either of those things to me. Perhaps you've been looking at the arms on his figures and assuming they were accurate.
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Post by LA Times on Oct 15, 2017 7:57:34 GMT -5
Every time I see a wrestler who used to work for WWE post about making more money on the Indy scene I just laugh. I doubt Vince gives a if they make more there. He knows that he's still the main player because most who leave eventually come back. WWE is literally the end all be all of wrestling. Stars from all over the world eventually come to WWE. Biggest name and biggest stage. Is it everyone's dream to get there and stay? Maybe not. But anyone who says they don't want to go to WWE is lying. Except the Young Bucks. They says they don't want to because they know the E won't take them. It's good to see Independent wrestling promotions thriving, though. Not everyone can wrestle in WWE at any given time. Only in the US. More wrestlers want to wrestle in Japan than the WWE.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Oct 15, 2017 8:56:14 GMT -5
Idk I think he is one of the few that can. Look how many people have been let go by WWE not even asked for a release and didna round or 2 of indies and fizzled off. I honestly didn't know Cody was involved with all that. How many guys really are? There is such a large number of guys that have been with WWE And don't get any kind of bookings anymore. While it is nice to be able to pick your days working and not working how many guys can really afford to take off? I don't really know the price per booking but in a way you have to make as much as you can. You ever really know what's around the corner. The WWE paychecks are great for future stability. Indies... idk. You can't wrestle Forever. So you have to make the money while you can. Even if you were to let's say wrestle and keep your name around, how long would you want to keep going? Cody has to be in what? His late 30s? I don't really know just going off a guess. You're body is going to want to slow up sooner or later probably sooner. You are 100% right. Cody is NOT the norm. Not by a longshot. There are guys that have made a damn decent living on the indys and never made it to WWE. Christopher Daniels is one that comes to mind. He has been in this business for nearly 30 years now. While he hasnt ventured to the level of Cody Rhodes, he certainly has made more than sufficient living, controls his career and has ventured into smaller levels of entertainment. There are definitely WAY more guys that have failed, flopped or just blew it. Ryback was someone who came out of WWE and was getting a ton of bookings and appearances to start. And now he has almost completely fizzled out. There are some guys who came out of WWE and over valued their brand and got crap for bookings. I wont name names, but a few guys thought they were worth BIG BUCKS. There is definitely a BIG GAMBLE when it comes to indys. There is also not a long history of guys making it big. But not everyone had the skill, ability or intelligence of Cody Rhodes. And some may try and follow his path and fail. But the blue print is set. IF you can follow Cody's groundwork, you can be just as successful. No, its not guaranteed money...but its pretty close to it. Autograph conventions are everywhere on almost every weekend. I couldnt tell you what Cody charges now, but I can tell you when he first came off of WWE and for several months thereafter, he set himself a solid price...one that doesnt bankrupt the promoter, but one that Cody aint going broke over. Dude did PHENOMENAL business. It helps that he has a fantastic personality and is so damn humble. Its hard to not like Cody. Its hard not to root for the guy. I think Cody is in his EARLY 30s at worse. You are right..who knows how long he has to be active in the ring? But the same would be said if he was in WWE. The great thing about pro wrestling is there is life outside the ring and Cody has already shown that and gotten himself a head start. If you play your cards right, you can easily make yourself a comfortable living by doing conventions alone. But being the smart cookie that Cody is...dude diversified and has his hands in many jars. He doesnt have to worry about an injury ending his career tomorrow. He will be able to provide nonetheless. A guy like Neville has the talent to do the same. I think Punk REALLY could have pulled it off had he chosen to do so. Hes one of those iconic stars. He has ventured into other avenues, so that helps him diversify. But he could have written his own ticket each and every week if he wanted to. You are correct he is 32. I don't know why I thought he was older. Yeah again Like you said Ryback was everywhere. I don't know if he burned himself out, asked for too much money or what but you don't see him as much. That's where it gets hard. I guess the bottom line is you create your own success in a way. I do think Punk had the right idea though. Save and live normal and be set so you don't have to be one of these guys who can hardly walk and move by 50. I do think a lot more guys are seeing what the older generation of workers looks like and tries saving and taking care of themselves finalcially and health wise.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Oct 15, 2017 9:33:20 GMT -5
Every time I see a wrestler who used to work for WWE post about making more money on the Indy scene I just laugh. I doubt Vince gives a if they make more there. He knows that he's still the main player because most who leave eventually come back. WWE is literally the end all be all of wrestling. Stars from all over the world eventually come to WWE. Biggest name and biggest stage. Is it everyone's dream to get there and stay? Maybe not. But anyone who says they don't want to go to WWE is lying. Except the Young Bucks. They says they don't want to because they know the E won't take them. It's good to see Independent wrestling promotions thriving, though. Not everyone can wrestle in WWE at any given time. Only in the US. More wrestlers want to wrestle in Japan than the WWE. I disagree with that. WWE is known more worldwide than New Japan. Styles and Nakamura left Japan to come to WWE. Arguably two of the best talents in the world. Gallows and Anderson left. Balor left. Not saying Japan isn't legit. But if you polled the world, I bet WWE ousts Japan.
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Post by PrincessOfSunlight on Oct 15, 2017 15:34:17 GMT -5
Well it is the land of opportunity on the outside. The majority of guys now in wwe know that they've got little chance of moving up the card unless they either grow in height magically or blow up like Jinder and you need both because Neville was jacked to the gills but they weren't interested and look what they're currently putting Finn through. The template of who gets the big push in this company has been laid down and disqualifies at least a good 70% of the roster. The NXT model is clearly being ignored on the main shows and that spells trouble for guys that are smaller going through there. *Cough Adam Cole cough*. Kevin Owens won the last PPV main event, ahead of Jinder's position on the card. Is KO really tall or jacked to the gills? He doesn't look either of those things to me. Perhaps you've been looking at the arms on his figures and assuming they were accurate. Completely missed my point but yeah you're right. They're so behind KO, he could be going straight to the Mania main event. KO has his spot on merit beyond 'the look'. His work took him there on mic and in ring. He could have gone the way of the other KO stuck in NXT but he didn't he fought for his place at the sort-of top. The point was that it's over, something has changed lately particularly with "The Jinder experiment", they fed Nakamura to him for christs sake. Whatever mild success that gets enjoyed by guys outside what they view as the parameters for what a superstar/world champion is will be very very short lived. With Brock, Roman, Braun and Jinder clearly who they're running with, those 4 I think are gonna be in the Mania main events. Yuck. Nobody else is getting a sniff.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 16:02:53 GMT -5
Wait Wait Wait
None of the 205 Guys are getting A piece of the sales on 2K18?
That's Terrible.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Oct 15, 2017 18:49:14 GMT -5
Wait Wait Wait None of the 205 Guys are getting A piece of the sales on 2K18? That's Terrible. They got a flat fee instead. Each 205 guy may have gotten 15,000$ per day.i know NHL guys get a VERY nice check for letting them use their name
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Oct 15, 2017 22:26:03 GMT -5
You are 100% right. Cody is NOT the norm. Not by a longshot. There are guys that have made a damn decent living on the indys and never made it to WWE. Christopher Daniels is one that comes to mind. He has been in this business for nearly 30 years now. While he hasnt ventured to the level of Cody Rhodes, he certainly has made more than sufficient living, controls his career and has ventured into smaller levels of entertainment. There are definitely WAY more guys that have failed, flopped or just blew it. Ryback was someone who came out of WWE and was getting a ton of bookings and appearances to start. And now he has almost completely fizzled out. There are some guys who came out of WWE and over valued their brand and got crap for bookings. I wont name names, but a few guys thought they were worth BIG BUCKS. There is definitely a BIG GAMBLE when it comes to indys. There is also not a long history of guys making it big. But not everyone had the skill, ability or intelligence of Cody Rhodes. And some may try and follow his path and fail. But the blue print is set. IF you can follow Cody's groundwork, you can be just as successful. No, its not guaranteed money...but its pretty close to it. Autograph conventions are everywhere on almost every weekend. I couldnt tell you what Cody charges now, but I can tell you when he first came off of WWE and for several months thereafter, he set himself a solid price...one that doesnt bankrupt the promoter, but one that Cody aint going broke over. Dude did PHENOMENAL business. It helps that he has a fantastic personality and is so damn humble. Its hard to not like Cody. Its hard not to root for the guy. I think Cody is in his EARLY 30s at worse. You are right..who knows how long he has to be active in the ring? But the same would be said if he was in WWE. The great thing about pro wrestling is there is life outside the ring and Cody has already shown that and gotten himself a head start. If you play your cards right, you can easily make yourself a comfortable living by doing conventions alone. But being the smart cookie that Cody is...dude diversified and has his hands in many jars. He doesnt have to worry about an injury ending his career tomorrow. He will be able to provide nonetheless. A guy like Neville has the talent to do the same. I think Punk REALLY could have pulled it off had he chosen to do so. Hes one of those iconic stars. He has ventured into other avenues, so that helps him diversify. But he could have written his own ticket each and every week if he wanted to. You are correct he is 32. I don't know why I thought he was older. Yeah again Like you said Ryback was everywhere. I don't know if he burned himself out, asked for too much money or what but you don't see him as much. That's where it gets hard. I guess the bottom line is you create your own success in a way. I do think Punk had the right idea though. Save and live normal and be set so you don't have to be one of these guys who can hardly walk and move by 50. I do think a lot more guys are seeing what the older generation of workers looks like and tries saving and taking care of themselves finalcially and health wise. Wrestlers are able to to last longer these days. A lot of the old timers were working 350 days a year and sometimes pulling double headers and did not have the luxury of chartered flights or touring buses. Also, they were never being paid the kind of money superstars get today. And they werent getting large guarantees either. You got hurt...you got screwed. So you had guys that were ignoring injuries and making things work. And it wasnt just fear of moving down on the card but fear of not being able to provide for their families. Now WWE is more concerned with injury and with guarantees, wrestlers know they can pay their bills even if it means sitting on the sidelines for a year. As far as Ryback goes, he does command a big dollar, but has most recently been nursing an injury. So thats why his number of shows have decreased. Punk isnt the first to save and not be financially dependent on pro wrestling. The generation before him, the younger end of the Attitude Era like Edge, Christian, Hardyz...they all did the same as well. The guy clearly doesnt want anything to do with wrestling and that is his choice. His contact is now expired and he was released. So he owes nothing else really.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 5:42:47 GMT -5
Why should I care if someone isn't happy working for the biggest wrestling promotion in the world? Life is short and you only get one chance to live it. Might as well leave and be happy vs staying and being miserable.
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