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Post by blissfan4life on Oct 17, 2017 17:08:22 GMT -5
Ambrose definitely benefits the most from it, as he's the only one of the three that really failed as a top guy (and is the one the company has least faith in as a top guy) so this is a reset for him. At WrestleMania, he was in a kickoff match with Corbin while Roman and Seth faced Undertaker and HHH in the featured matches. Now is his chance to stand alongside them, raise his game and get another shot at that main event level. Failed as a top guy is something your Boy Roman is...... Not Ambrose.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Oct 17, 2017 17:19:39 GMT -5
I'm part of the minority that thinks Dean Ambrose is a bit rubbish.
He has, however, come alive in recent weeks with the reunion of the Shield.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Oct 17, 2017 18:49:53 GMT -5
I liked Ambrose during his fued with the Authority, then his shtick got old fast. He tries too hard.
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Post by cableV on Oct 17, 2017 18:58:31 GMT -5
I think Ambrose feeds off direction. When he has it, there are few better. Without it, he's just bored.... You are probably right and that's why he will never be the top guy. As WWE's top guy, you need to go out there with whatever crap they have given you and sell it like it's the greatest thing ever. Cena was able to do it for years and years...not so much this year though. The only time I was ever into what Dean was doing was during the run up to his match with Triple H at Roadblock. Dean was on another level, the match was great and he should have won. He then should have taken the title into Mania against Brock and beat him too. It would have been amazing. Aside from what I mentioned above, Dean is just below Orton on my list of 'Guys that Bore the S**t out of me'. I know he is still tremendously popular, I just don't care for him 99% of the time.
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Post by tenup on Oct 17, 2017 20:22:09 GMT -5
I'm just wondering how it took so much effort for Seth to convince Dean to reform the Sheild and zero effort for him to get Ronan back on board.
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Post by Chief on Oct 17, 2017 20:25:11 GMT -5
His promo on RAW was his best in recent memory.
However, Roman needs the Shield more - to help get him cheered.
Dean should have been this motivated last year against Dolph at Summerslam.
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Post by PJ on Oct 17, 2017 21:32:01 GMT -5
I have said it before and I will say it again Ambrose has regressed weekly since they handed him the title and made him the number one pick of Smackdown. The guy has been nothing but unwatchable maybe this will give him new life. But I do feel like having the Shield reunion is hurting Seth the most, because he was doing fine on his own.
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Post by IRS on Oct 17, 2017 22:23:27 GMT -5
I'm just wondering how it took so much effort for Seth to convince Dean to reform the Sheild and zero effort for him to get Ronan back on board. Roman never gave a in the first place. After Seth turned, Ambrose was the only one concerned with getting revenge. Roman went right from getting smashed with a chair to poisoning Steph's coffee.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 17, 2017 22:26:56 GMT -5
Ambrose definitely benefits the most from it, as he's the only one of the three that really failed as a top guy (and is the one the company has least faith in as a top guy) so this is a reset for him. At WrestleMania, he was in a kickoff match with Corbin while Roman and Seth faced Undertaker and HHH in the featured matches. Now is his chance to stand alongside them, raise his game and get another shot at that main event level. Because terrible booking has nothing to do with it... Dean is the only one who’s remained consistently over since the original split. Even Seth was getting heat from fans for a terrible title run. Dean didn’t fail as a top guy. The company dropped the ball multiple times when he was primed to break out as the man.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 17, 2017 22:35:11 GMT -5
I have said it before and I will say it again Ambrose has regressed weekly since they handed him the title and made him the number one pick of Smackdown. The guy has been nothing but unwatchable maybe this will give him new life. But I do feel like having the Shield reunion is hurting Seth the most, because he was doing fine on his own. Dean was drafted to SDL #1 and was immediately placed into a feud with friggin Dolph Ziggler while AJ and Cena were the main focus of the show. AJ was given the title, but despite this, Dean was continuing to put on great matches with him and Cena. They may have drafted him #1, but it was clear right away that they weren’t gonna get behind him as their top draw (working with Dolph as your first big title feud is a death note). I feel all this “Dean is lazy” crap is due to the stupid Austin podcast. They guy is always a great promo. He matches are always solid to great. It’s not his fault the WWE hasn’t given him a fraction of the protection that they have with Roman and Seth.
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Post by hbkowns on Oct 17, 2017 23:07:01 GMT -5
I have said it before and I will say it again Ambrose has regressed weekly since they handed him the title and made him the number one pick of Smackdown. The guy has been nothing but unwatchable maybe this will give him new life. But I do feel like having the Shield reunion is hurting Seth the most, because he was doing fine on his own. Dean was drafted to SDL #1 and was immediately placed into a feud with friggin Dolph Ziggler while AJ and Cena were the main focus of the show. AJ was given the title, but despite this, Dean was continuing to put on great matches with him and Cena. They may have drafted him #1, but it was clear right away that they weren’t gonna get behind him as their top draw (working with Dolph as your first big title feud is a death note). I feel all this “Dean is lazy” crap is due to the stupid Austin podcast. They guy is always a great promo. He matches are always solid to great. It’s not his fault the WWE hasn’t given him a fraction of the protection that they have with Roman and Seth. I agree 1000000%. They were never ever fully behind him. When they split up the Shield he was the least priority of the 3. They only gave Ambrose the belt because Reigns got suspended and they had to shift plans around. When given the opportunity, he's very good, and he's not been given many opportunities compared to his two Shield buddies. I think if they flip the switch and let him be heel, wow, the promos would be out of this world.
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Post by Liv Is Life on Oct 18, 2017 2:32:37 GMT -5
I have said it before and I will say it again Ambrose has regressed weekly since they handed him the title and made him the number one pick of Smackdown. The guy has been nothing but unwatchable maybe this will give him new life. But I do feel like having the Shield reunion is hurting Seth the most, because he was doing fine on his own. Dean was drafted to SDL #1 and was immediately placed into a feud with friggin Dolph Ziggler while AJ and Cena were the main focus of the show. AJ was given the title, but despite this, Dean was continuing to put on great matches with him and Cena. They may have drafted him #1, but it was clear right away that they weren’t gonna get behind him as their top draw (working with Dolph as your first big title feud is a death note). I feel all this “Dean is lazy” crap is due to the stupid Austin podcast. They guy is always a great promo. He matches are always solid to great. It’s not his fault the WWE hasn’t given him a fraction of the protection that they have with Roman and Seth. Bingo. He was given a title reign to appease us, with zero intention of investing in it long term.
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Post by PJ on Oct 18, 2017 5:16:33 GMT -5
I don't care who his opponents were. The bottom line is as soon as he became champion he got very lazy in the ring. His matches looked like he was just going through the motions like he was doing walk throughs instead of being in a match. His moveset is pretty weak as well with his cat-fight beatdowns where 90% of it clearly looks like he's beating up air. And don't even get me started on that stupid mid-ropes fall away slingshot clothesline. That thing is so slow developing I don't see how anyone would fall prey to it if wrestling was real. Or his "running" diagonally across the ring from one ring post to the other. I am guessing he is supposed to be picking up momentum when he hops on the first but he actually gets slower. I would say he has been on cruise control, but honestly that would be a lie as the guy has given zero effort for well over a year. Ambrose definitely benefits the most from it, as he's the only one of the three that really failed as a top guy (and is the one the company has least faith in as a top guy) so this is a reset for him. At WrestleMania, he was in a kickoff match with Corbin while Roman and Seth faced Undertaker and HHH in the featured matches. Now is his chance to stand alongside them, raise his game and get another shot at that main event level. Because terrible booking has nothing to do with it... Dean is the only one who’s remained consistently over since the original split. Even Seth was getting heat from fans for a terrible title run.Dean didn’t fail as a top guy. The company dropped the ball multiple times when he was primed to break out as the man. Why? He played the cowardly heel champion perfectly. To me Seth's problem was he's to wreckless. Accidents are part of the lifestyle and will happen, but there's been to many to his opponents and himself in a very short period of time to think it's not an issue.
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Oct 18, 2017 12:28:29 GMT -5
I don't care who his opponents were. The bottom line is as soon as he became champion he got very lazy in the ring. His matches looked like he was just going through the motions like he was doing walk throughs instead of being in a match. His moveset is pretty weak as well with his cat-fight beatdowns where 90% of it clearly looks like he's beating up air. And don't even get me started on that stupid mid-ropes fall away slingshot clothesline. That thing is so slow developing I don't see how anyone would fall prey to it if wrestling was real. Or his "running" diagonally across the ring from one ring post to the other. I am guessing he is supposed to be picking up momentum when he hops on the first but he actually gets slower. I would say he has been on cruise control, but honestly that would be a lie as the guy has given zero effort for well over a year. Because terrible booking has nothing to do with it... Dean is the only one who’s remained consistently over since the original split. Even Seth was getting heat from fans for a terrible title run.Dean didn’t fail as a top guy. The company dropped the ball multiple times when he was primed to break out as the man. Why? He played the cowardly heel champion perfectly. To me Seth's problem was he's to wreckless. Accidents are part of the lifestyle and will happen, but there's been to many to his opponents and himself in a very short period of time to think it's not an issue. Other than the Cena nose accident, who has he injured? Can't think of anyone, and I find Seth to be very entertaining and a safe worked I'd say. If you listen to him on Jerichos podcast following his big return, he addressed what bret had to say about him and commented on the Cena accident. Sounded like it was a thing that just happened, wasn't due to anyone being wreckless. Also just wanted to state I'm not trying to start anything, just merely conversation PJ. See so much fighting throughout the boards I feel I need to say that.
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Post by Chief on Oct 18, 2017 12:42:39 GMT -5
I don't care who his opponents were. The bottom line is as soon as he became champion he got very lazy in the ring. His matches looked like he was just going through the motions like he was doing walk throughs instead of being in a match. His moveset is pretty weak as well with his cat-fight beatdowns where 90% of it clearly looks like he's beating up air. And don't even get me started on that stupid mid-ropes fall away slingshot clothesline. That thing is so slow developing I don't see how anyone would fall prey to it if wrestling was real. Or his "running" diagonally across the ring from one ring post to the other. I am guessing he is supposed to be picking up momentum when he hops on the first but he actually gets slower. I would say he has been on cruise control, but honestly that would be a lie as the guy has given zero effort for well over a year. Why? He played the cowardly heel champion perfectly. To me Seth's problem was he's to wreckless. Accidents are part of the lifestyle and will happen, but there's been to many to his opponents and himself in a very short period of time to think it's not an issue. Other than the Cena nose accident, who has he injured? Can't think of anyone, and I find Seth to be very entertaining and a safe worked I'd say. If you listen to him on Jerichos podcast following his big return, he addressed what bret had to say about him and commented on the Cena accident. Sounded like it was a thing that just happened, wasn't due to anyone being wreckless. Also just wanted to state I'm not trying to start anything, just merely conversation PJ. See so much fighting throughout the boards I feel I need to say that. Both Sting and Finn Balor were seriously injured in matches with Seth. Also Seth's title run had so much Authority and Kane bulls*** that it overshadowed him actually being champion. IIRC, he had quite the losing streak on TV going as well.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 18, 2017 13:51:34 GMT -5
Failed as a top guy is something your Boy Roman is...... Not Ambrose. False. I didn't say "failing as a favourite with teens online" - I said failing as a main eventer. Roman was in the main event of WrestleMania this year. Rollins was in one of the main matches. Ambrose went from the WWE title six months prior to Mania, to wrestling on the pre-show in Orlando. Because terrible booking has nothing to do with it... Don't be silly, of course booking matters. And this is Ambrose's chance to capitalise on being booked in a top spot alongside two top guys. How does Roman main eventing three mainas have anything to do with being a successful main eventer? The WWE puts who they want in the main event. CM Punk never main evented WM. Does that make him a failed main eventer? Daniel Bryan was on a WM pre-show as the US Champ. Does that make him a failed main eventer? The WWE doesn’t see him as a top guy like Roman and Seth. The majority of fans differ. Doesn’t mean he’s a failed main eventer.
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Post by classicwrestlingfan on Oct 18, 2017 13:54:11 GMT -5
I think he would be better suited as a heel
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Oct 18, 2017 14:15:35 GMT -5
Other than the Cena nose accident, who has he injured? Can't think of anyone, and I find Seth to be very entertaining and a safe worked I'd say. If you listen to him on Jerichos podcast following his big return, he addressed what bret had to say about him and commented on the Cena accident. Sounded like it was a thing that just happened, wasn't due to anyone being wreckless. Also just wanted to state I'm not trying to start anything, just merely conversation PJ. See so much fighting throughout the boards I feel I need to say that. Both Sting and Finn Balor were seriously injured in matches with Seth. Also Seth's title run had so much Authority and Kane bulls*** that it overshadowed him actually being champion. IIRC, he had quite the losing streak on TV going as well. Ahh, thank you. I knew there were others but couldn't think off the top of my head. But again, I don't feel either of those were Seth being too reckless, rather that the move just didn't land flush as it normally did eithbthe other guys who had taken it before.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 18, 2017 15:31:57 GMT -5
False. I didn't say "failing as a favourite with teens online" - I said failing as a main eventer. Roman was in the main event of WrestleMania this year. Rollins was in one of the main matches. Ambrose went from the WWE title six months prior to Mania, to wrestling on the pre-show in Orlando. Don't be silly, of course booking matters. And this is Ambrose's chance to capitalise on being booked in a top spot alongside two top guys. How does Roman main eventing three mainas have anything to do with being a successful main eventer? You've answered your own question before you even finished asking it there. Ambrose is the only member of the Shield that has failed to stay in the main event picture as a solo performer, hence having more to gain than the other two do from the reunion.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Oct 18, 2017 16:36:56 GMT -5
This argument about Ambrose being lazy is a myth that fans have made up without any proof. The way I see it is Ambrose has worked his ass off for 5 years and when The Shield broke up he was the break out star of the group. Reigns went for the title and Rollins became a cowardly heel but Ambrose built himself up and got over huge with the fans and became the number 1 merch seller.
Ambrose has had problems but the main culprit was Smackdown. It's a show that can't properly book it's own roster and sadly Ambrose was a major casualty. The night after he won the title there was a Stone Cold vibe from him and Raw got high ratings so things were looking up. Then he went to Smackdown and was put in a feud with Ziggler and then the comedy crap with Styles and Ellsworth. After that he was demoted to the IC title and then the Mania pre show was the final nail.
The facts are obvious. Smackdown ruined Ambrose.
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