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Post by hbkowns on Nov 24, 2017 14:44:38 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure he’d be cheered heavily now once he comes back.
Batista vs Triple H at Wrestlemania makes the most sense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 14:52:34 GMT -5
I'd be down. He was treated so poorly in his last run, and still has a championship match he never was given.
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Post by JC Motors on Nov 24, 2017 15:42:05 GMT -5
Batista's last run was terrible with him walking out on that episode of Raw
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Post by Planktung on Nov 24, 2017 16:07:53 GMT -5
Me when I hear I Walk Alone
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 14:10:52 GMT -5
Me when I hear I Walk Alone Everyone on the roster needs a Saliva remix of their theme
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Post by Dan on Nov 25, 2017 14:39:36 GMT -5
His last run was extremely anti-climatic and pretty much flopped on it's head, purely because they had him placed to face Randy Orton one on one for the Undisputed Championship at Wrestlemania. The whole World could see it should have been Daniel Bryan, and consequently Batista took the hit for it despite not doing too much wrong himself. He'd be better off as a heel though, which is why I'm unsure how a program with Triple H would work. In all honesty, I'm really not too sure anybody would care for another Batista vs Triple H feud, there's nothing for it to ride on.
Batista vs Brock Lesnar would be refreshing to see and would sell tickets, but it's a logical booking nightmare as both would need protecting significantly, and the match itself would be horrible. If he's to come back, there's two ways he could be successful;
1 - Return as a face back as a face, but have him steered well away from the Universal Championship. As soon as he's positioned to go for the Title, the smarks will instantly turn on him for taking the spot of someone who's there week in and week out, regardless of what schedule he's on. Have him be a face, and just have high profile feuds with Samoa Joe, Kevin Owens, Chris Jericho, bigger name heels.
2 - Return as a heel, have him win the Title, and have the whole audience hate him because he's just waltzed in and taken 'Balor/Rollins/AJ Styles etc' spot. It would almost be replicant of the Jinder Mahal project, only he'd actually be good and worthy. Then, come Wrestlemania or Summerslam, give an underdog face the rub of beating him. It will put them over twice as much.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 25, 2017 15:05:43 GMT -5
Yes. I’d welcome back Big Dave with open arms after the way he was treated during his last run.
I know he wants a feud with HHH, but I’d book him with Styles for the WWE Championship at WM. That’s a marquee matchup that would get the casuals talking about SDL during WM season.
If Dave is willing to work full time for 6 months, have him debut on SDL and work with Styles. Then use the “superstar shakeup” to move him to Raw where he can feud with HHH with the culmination at Summer Slam. I doubt he could commit full time for a year but if he does, they can hold off on the HHH/Batista match until WM35 in 2019.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 25, 2017 16:48:46 GMT -5
The only thing that I don't understand are the people that act like WWE wronged Batista last time. They were bringing him in to win the RR & headline WM. That's not a bad gig for a guy who hasn't been around in years. If you want to blame them for underestimating Bryan's popularity, that's one thing. But at no time would I say Batista was mistreated or misused.
Honestly, I think the fans were more to blame for how Batista's run went. They boo'ed him at the RR. They boo'ed his friend Mysterio (which he says he was not happy about). They made fun of his gear (which he has said he was not happy about). They sabotaged it all because he wasn't Daniel Bryan. We had the return of an entertaining character, and people s**t all over it. Then had the nerve to blame it on WWE.
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Post by TheLastDude on Nov 25, 2017 18:23:29 GMT -5
The only thing that I don't understand are the people that act like WWE wronged Batista last time. They were bringing him in to win the RR & headline WM. That's not a bad gig for a guy who hasn't been around in years. If you want to blame them for underestimating Bryan's popularity, that's one thing. But at no time would I say Batista was mistreated or misused. Honestly, I think the fans were more to blame for how Batista's run went. They boo'ed him at the RR. They boo'ed his friend Mysterio (which he says he was not happy about). They made fun of his gear (which he has said he was not happy about). They sabotaged it all because he wasn't Daniel Bryan. We had the return of an entertaining character, and people s**t all over it. Then had the nerve to blame it on WWE.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Nov 25, 2017 18:29:56 GMT -5
The only thing that I don't understand are the people that act like WWE wronged Batista last time. They were bringing him in to win the RR & headline WM. That's not a bad gig for a guy who hasn't been around in years. If you want to blame them for underestimating Bryan's popularity, that's one thing. But at no time would I say Batista was mistreated or misused. Honestly, I think the fans were more to blame for how Batista's run went. They boo'ed him at the RR. They boo'ed his friend Mysterio (which he says he was not happy about). They made fun of his gear (which he has said he was not happy about). They sabotaged it all because he wasn't Daniel Bryan. We had the return of an entertaining character, and people s**t all over it. Then had the nerve to blame it on WWE. I think they mean that Dave heavily argued how he shouldn't be brought back as a face and yet they did it anyway so he suffered.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 25, 2017 19:25:42 GMT -5
The only thing that I don't understand are the people that act like WWE wronged Batista last time. They were bringing him in to win the RR & headline WM. That's not a bad gig for a guy who hasn't been around in years. If you want to blame them for underestimating Bryan's popularity, that's one thing. But at no time would I say Batista was mistreated or misused. Honestly, I think the fans were more to blame for how Batista's run went. They boo'ed him at the RR. They boo'ed his friend Mysterio (which he says he was not happy about). They made fun of his gear (which he has said he was not happy about). They sabotaged it all because he wasn't Daniel Bryan. We had the return of an entertaining character, and people s**t all over it. Then had the nerve to blame it on WWE. I think they mean that Dave heavily argued how he shouldn't be brought back as a face and yet they did it anyway so he suffered. Well if you think about it... Randy Orton was the WWE champion at the time. And top heel in WWE. Him & Batista already had a great backstory. So it only makes sense to have Batista return as a face.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 25, 2017 22:16:41 GMT -5
I think they mean that Dave heavily argued how he shouldn't be brought back as a face and yet they did it anyway so he suffered. Well if you think about it... Randy Orton was the WWE champion at the time. And top heel in WWE. Him & Batista already had a great backstory. So it only makes sense to have Batista return as a face. They had Daniel Bryan though who was the most over guy on the planet. Batista should have been brought in as a heel as extra muscle for the Authority to ensure Daniel didn’t make it to the WM main event. Instead the WWE were hell bent on doing Batista/Orton at WM while Bryan was going to get stuck with Sheamus. Batista knee the fans were gonna crap on him but the WWE went along with it anyway. Then the WWE literally crapped on his movie career and felt that Guardians was gonna be a huge flop (when Marvel was already a proven money machine). I’m all for Big Dave returning for one last run but am surprised that he’d be willing to come back after the crap he put up with in 2014.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 25, 2017 23:49:42 GMT -5
Well if you think about it... Randy Orton was the WWE champion at the time. And top heel in WWE. Him & Batista already had a great backstory. So it only makes sense to have Batista return as a face. They had Daniel Bryan though who was the most over guy on the planet. Batista should have been brought in as a heel as extra muscle for the Authority to ensure Daniel didn’t make it to the WM main event. Instead the WWE were hell bent on doing Batista/Orton at WM while Bryan was going to get stuck with Sheamus. Batista knee the fans were gonna crap on him but the WWE went along with it anyway. Then the WWE literally crapped on his movie career and felt that Guardians was gonna be a huge flop (when Marvel was already a proven money machine). I’m all for Big Dave returning for one last run but am surprised that he’d be willing to come back after the crap he put up with in 2014. I agree Bryan should have been pushed sooner than he was. But I can also see why they thought a Batista vs Orton feud was a good idea. Story practically writes itself and we all know Vince loves his big marque match ups main eventing the show. But as I said... being brought in to win the RR & headline WM is a hell of a gig. But it was the perfect storm of backfiring from the get go. Started when Dave's return got leaked a few weeks early. Forcing WWE to acknowledge it. Had he been a surprise entrant, who knows what would have happened? Didn't help that he wore tiny clothes on RAW. Didn't help he was gassed 3 minutes into the RR. Add that to Bryan's fans hijacking the RR, and it was a no win situation. At least they finally listened and changed plans for the better. Turned out to be a great show. And to be fair, there were MANY people who assumed GOTG would be Marvel's first bomb. I remember reading about it and being worried for both Batista and the MCU. Even Chris Pratt said he figured it would ruin his career. It wasn't till word of mouth got out that it exceeded expectations. Thank god it did because it was a damn near perfect film IMO.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Nov 26, 2017 8:53:15 GMT -5
They had Daniel Bryan though who was the most over guy on the planet. Batista should have been brought in as a heel as extra muscle for the Authority to ensure Daniel didn’t make it to the WM main event. Instead the WWE were hell bent on doing Batista/Orton at WM while Bryan was going to get stuck with Sheamus. Batista knee the fans were gonna crap on him but the WWE went along with it anyway. Then the WWE literally crapped on his movie career and felt that Guardians was gonna be a huge flop (when Marvel was already a proven money machine). I’m all for Big Dave returning for one last run but am surprised that he’d be willing to come back after the crap he put up with in 2014. I agree Bryan should have been pushed sooner than he was. But I can also see why they thought a Batista vs Orton feud was a good idea. Story practically writes itself and we all know Vince loves his big marque match ups main eventing the show. But as I said... being brought in to win the RR & headline WM is a hell of a gig. But it was the perfect storm of backfiring from the get go. Started when Dave's return got leaked a few weeks early. Forcing WWE to acknowledge it. Had he been a surprise entrant, who knows what would have happened? Didn't help that he wore tiny clothes on RAW. Didn't help he was gassed 3 minutes into the RR. Add that to Bryan's fans hijacking the RR, and it was a no win situation. At least they finally listened and changed plans for the better. Turned out to be a great show. And to be fair, there were MANY people who assumed GOTG would be Marvel's first bomb. I remember reading about it and being worried for both Batista and the MCU. Even Chris Pratt said he figured it would ruin his career. It wasn't till word of mouth got out that it exceeded expectations. Thank god it did because it was a damn near perfect film IMO. It was leaked? I thought they just started airing vignettes a month before the rumble on their own
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Post by marino13 on Nov 26, 2017 10:32:03 GMT -5
I agree Bryan should have been pushed sooner than he was. But I can also see why they thought a Batista vs Orton feud was a good idea. Story practically writes itself and we all know Vince loves his big marque match ups main eventing the show. But as I said... being brought in to win the RR & headline WM is a hell of a gig. But it was the perfect storm of backfiring from the get go. Started when Dave's return got leaked a few weeks early. Forcing WWE to acknowledge it. Had he been a surprise entrant, who knows what would have happened? Didn't help that he wore tiny clothes on RAW. Didn't help he was gassed 3 minutes into the RR. Add that to Bryan's fans hijacking the RR, and it was a no win situation. At least they finally listened and changed plans for the better. Turned out to be a great show. And to be fair, there were MANY people who assumed GOTG would be Marvel's first bomb. I remember reading about it and being worried for both Batista and the MCU. Even Chris Pratt said he figured it would ruin his career. It wasn't till word of mouth got out that it exceeded expectations. Thank god it did because it was a damn near perfect film IMO. It was leaked? I thought they just started airing vignettes a month before the rumble on their own There were advertisements confirming his return that leaked before they were supposed to air. WWE had them pulled, but the word wast out. Here's 3 different sites reports (assuming they're right)... Going by this, I assume Dave's return wasn't supposed to happen till the Rumble match. Which would have gotten him a huge pop had no one known. But once word got out, they called an audible. So his whole run started off on a bad note. IMO they always had the right intentions as far as Dave goes. And maybe things could have worked out had they been handled differently. But I guess hindsight is always 20/20.
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Post by k5 on Nov 26, 2017 13:36:50 GMT -5
The only thing that I don't understand are the people that act like WWE wronged Batista last time. They were bringing him in to win the RR & headline WM. That's not a bad gig for a guy who hasn't been around in years. If you want to blame them for underestimating Bryan's popularity, that's one thing. But at no time would I say Batista was mistreated or misused. Honestly, I think the fans were more to blame for how Batista's run went. They boo'ed him at the RR. They boo'ed his friend Mysterio (which he says he was not happy about). They made fun of his gear (which he has said he was not happy about). They sabotaged it all because he wasn't Daniel Bryan. We had the return of an entertaining character, and people s**t all over it. Then had the nerve to blame it on WWE. Batista literally says himself that he was misused in multiple ways, and yet you are somehow putting the blame on the fans again. saying that we should have been happy with mysterio and Batista winning when we all did not want that is the equivalent of feeding someone horse crap and then being angry when they don’t want a piece of pie at the end. this whole ‘blame the fans’ propoganda has all gone ridiculously far. I have never seen another product blame the consumer for the product’s decline. surreal.
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Nov 26, 2017 13:47:49 GMT -5
I would love one last run from Batista.One of my favorites from the post Attitude Era and lots of good and fresh match ups he can have.Ideally he would return soon and you could book Brock/Batista for the Universal Title at Royal Rumble which would be a huge match up(it would be fine for Batista to take the L as long as he look strong with it being his first match back in nearly 4 year) then you could do Batista/Triple H at Mania or maybe even Batista/Strowman.Anyway you go he would be a breath of fresh air and could have feuds and matches with the likes of Triple H,Strowman,Brock,Joe,Rollins,Reigns,Styles,Owens...ect just a lot that could be done with him.Also I think if and when he returns this time around he should be as a face because the fans really respect him now and he's got over so well in Hollywood and this time around their isn't someone as white hot as a babyface in Daniel Bryan that the fans want to get behind more then him.Only face close to as over would be Styles and you could solve that problem easy with the two being on different brands.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 26, 2017 13:51:14 GMT -5
The only thing that I don't understand are the people that act like WWE wronged Batista last time. They were bringing him in to win the RR & headline WM. That's not a bad gig for a guy who hasn't been around in years. If you want to blame them for underestimating Bryan's popularity, that's one thing. But at no time would I say Batista was mistreated or misused. Honestly, I think the fans were more to blame for how Batista's run went. They boo'ed him at the RR. They boo'ed his friend Mysterio (which he says he was not happy about). They made fun of his gear (which he has said he was not happy about). They sabotaged it all because he wasn't Daniel Bryan. We had the return of an entertaining character, and people s**t all over it. Then had the nerve to blame it on WWE. Batista literally says himself that he was misused in multiple ways, and yet you are somehow putting the blame on the fans again. saying that we should have been happy with mysterio and Batista winning when we all did not want that is the equivalent of feeding someone horse crap and then being angry when they don’t want a piece of pie at the end. this whole ‘blame the fans’ propoganda has all gone ridiculously far. I have never seen another product blame the consumer for the product’s decline. surreal. WWE planned on having him win the RR & WM. The fans weren't having it. Seems rather obvious. I'm not saying WWE may not have done things wrong. I'm not saying they're completely innocent. I'm saying they had great intentions to have him return as a conquering hero. Batista has also literately said how he didn't like how the fans treated Rey at the Rumble. He said himself that they were too busy bitching about his gear to enjoy the match against The Shield. He's also said how they were constantly complaining because Bryan wasn't on TV every segment. So it doesn't sound like Dave was 100% happy with the fans either.
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Post by laythvandam on Nov 26, 2017 15:40:36 GMT -5
I would like one last run for Big Dave.
He's become such a bigger star since his first run he'd bring back some star power to the show.
With Cena slowing down and Orton's star fading this would be a great time to have him return to Raw for another year or two run before calling it quits for good.
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Post by k5 on Nov 26, 2017 16:02:10 GMT -5
Batista literally says himself that he was misused in multiple ways, and yet you are somehow putting the blame on the fans again. saying that we should have been happy with mysterio and Batista winning when we all did not want that is the equivalent of feeding someone horse crap and then being angry when they don’t want a piece of pie at the end. this whole ‘blame the fans’ propoganda has all gone ridiculously far. I have never seen another product blame the consumer for the product’s decline. surreal. WWE planned on having him win the RR & WM. The fans weren't having it. Seems rather obvious. I'm not saying WWE may not have done things wrong. I'm not saying they're completely innocent. I'm saying they had great intentions to have him return as a conquering hero. Batista has also literately said how he didn't like how the fans treated Rey at the Rumble. He said himself that they were too busy bitching about his gear to enjoy the match against The Shield. He's also said how they were constantly complaining because Bryan wasn't on TV every segment. So it doesn't sound like Dave was 100% happy with the fans either. I can’t disagree with that at all.
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