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Post by drnickriviera995 on Dec 9, 2017 2:40:31 GMT -5
So who was the most obscure or maybe unnecessary Hasbro release?
Keeping in mind where they were of importance at the time of release like Koko and Greg in 92' etc.
I have to think it's Skinner, curious what others think.
I also think had Bastian Booger actually come out, he would probably been #1.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 11:14:56 GMT -5
Nailz as he was around for such a short period of time. Skinner seemed to be around for at least a couple years and had a Wrestlemania match.
The New Foundation Neidhart/Owen was just a matter of timing more than anything else.
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Dec 9, 2017 11:35:33 GMT -5
Nailz as he was around for such a short period of time. Skinner seemed to be around for at least a couple years and had a Wrestlemania match. The New Foundation Neidhart/Owen was just a matter of timing more than anything else. Really, Skinner had a match in a WM? I'll have to look that up, he also did challenge Bret for the IC title at Tuesday in Texas though. I was baffled by the Owen and Anvil releases, wasn't sure if Owen was meant as New Foundation or High Energy or singles run since Anvil was in a completely different and earlier wave and Koko was never done in HE attire. |
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 9, 2017 11:52:10 GMT -5
I went with Skinner mainly because he was a glorified jobber, he only beat jobbers and lost to every main roster guy. As for the bushwhackers, they always had a following amongst kids so it doesn't surprise me that they made another set of them. As for Nailz, he may have only been around for a short time, but in that time he was in a big feud with the Big Boss Man and it looked like they were setting him up to have a feud or a big match against the Undertaker. Plus the only reason he was there for a short time was because he attacked Vince. Same with the Giant Gonzales and Kamala, they were only there for a short time but in that time they both had a big feud with the Undertaker. The others seemed to be a timing of release issue, they were important/semi-important at the time there figure was being produced but when it was finally released they were not as important, like Hammer, in 1990-91 when the figure was in production he was still a mid-card guy but by 1992 when he was released he was just doing spot appearances.
The next question is, who was the best or most important guy or tag team during that run (1990-1994) that didn't get a figure made? I would have to pick the Hart Foundation, why in the tag team sets for series two they went with the Bushwhackers, Demolition (Smash & Crush), and the Rockers (and were going to make the Rhythm and Blues) instead of the Hart Foundation who were the Tag Team Champions at the time is beyond me.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 9, 2017 12:02:55 GMT -5
Nailz as he was around for such a short period of time. Skinner seemed to be around for at least a couple years and had a Wrestlemania match. The New Foundation Neidhart/Owen was just a matter of timing more than anything else. Really, Skinner had a match in a WM? I'll have to look that up, he also did challenge Bret for the IC title at Tuesday in Texas though. I was baffled by the Owen and Anvil releases, wasn't sure if Owen was meant as New Foundation or High Energy or singles run since Anvil was in a completely different and earlier wave and Koko was never done in HE attire. Yes, Skinner did have a match at WrestleMania 8 vs. Owen Hart, but that was a throw-in match that was never supposed to happen. I heard a interview that either Ted DiBiase or Brother Love did saying that because the Tag Team Match of The Natural Disasters vs Money Inc. ran longer than it was supposed to, the British Bulldog vs. Berzerker match was cancelled. So to fill a few minutes they sent Skinner and Owen out there to fill time before the Hogan vs Sid main event match. The match only went about a minute, two if you count the introductions. As for the Anvil/Owen New Foundation releases, I think Anvil was released as a singles wrestler from his late 1991 run because there is no mention of the New Foundation tag team on his bio card. And for Owen, I think he was released because of the New Foundation tag team but by the time he figure was actually released he was a member of High Energy which is what it says on the back of the card. Though, he is wearing his New Foundation attire not his High Energy Attire, the High Energy attire had suspenders and a checkered patter design on the legs. Probably the reason we didn't get a Koko in the High Energy attire was because by the time the figure would have went into production High Energy was no longer a tag team - they had a very short run, probably summer 1992 - January/February 1993. |
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Post by hasbrogold! on Dec 9, 2017 13:17:41 GMT -5
Really, Skinner had a match in a WM? I'll have to look that up, he also did challenge Bret for the IC title at Tuesday in Texas though. I was baffled by the Owen and Anvil releases, wasn't sure if Owen was meant as New Foundation or High Energy or singles run since Anvil was in a completely different and earlier wave and Koko was never done in HE attire. Yes, Skinner did have a match at WrestleMania 8 vs. Owen Hart, but that was a throw-in match that was never supposed to happen. I heard a interview that either Ted DiBiase or Brother Love did saying that because the Tag Team Match of The Natural Disasters vs Money Inc. ran longer than it was supposed to, the British Bulldog vs. Berzerker match was cancelled. So to fill a few minutes they sent Skinner and Owen out there to fill time before the Hogan vs Sid main event match. The match only went about a minute, two if you count the introductions. As for the Anvil/Owen New Foundation releases, I think Anvil was released as a singles wrestler from his late 1991 run because there is no mention of the New Foundation tag team on his bio card. And for Owen, I think he was released because of the New Foundation tag team but by the time he figure was actually released he was a member of High Energy which is what it says on the back of the card. Though, he is wearing his New Foundation attire not his High Energy Attire, the High Energy attire had suspenders and a checkered patter design on the legs. Probably the reason we didn't get a Koko in the High Energy attire was because by the time the figure would have went into production High Energy was no longer a tag team - they had a very short run, probably summer 1992 - January/February 1993. Owen by Rumble 1993 was in his blue attire, Koko was still in the WWF in 1994, I had a Mania video of him from raw after Mania 10 against Double J. Skinner was in the WWF late 1991 he was in the 1991 Survivior Series, 1992 Rumble, Mania 8 and was in the 1993 Rumble as was Koko. Wouldn't say Bezerker or Shango are anymore obscure as they pretty much lasted only few years, wasn't case them being jobbers it's just a gimmick, they weren't jobbers as they would be booked against jobbers in the classic sense to defeat. |
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Post by hasbrogold! on Dec 9, 2017 13:21:45 GMT -5
Also Kona Crush didn't really have any memorable feuds either lol 😂, I wouldn't say Valentine was a jobber lol he was in main feuds in the late 80s so was a known name by fans
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Post by robbutler01 on Dec 9, 2017 15:59:01 GMT -5
Really, Skinner had a match in a WM? I'll have to look that up, he also did challenge Bret for the IC title at Tuesday in Texas though. I was baffled by the Owen and Anvil releases, wasn't sure if Owen was meant as New Foundation or High Energy or singles run since Anvil was in a completely different and earlier wave and Koko was never done in HE attire. Yes, Skinner did have a match at WrestleMania 8 vs. Owen Hart, but that was a throw-in match that was never supposed to happen. It was always set to happen. I watched it back then and it was in the wwf mag preview article and sure it was on mean genes wrestlemania reports in the weeks leading up to the event. It was short due to the time restrictions but was always scheduled |
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 9, 2017 17:29:27 GMT -5
Yes, Skinner did have a match at WrestleMania 8 vs. Owen Hart, but that was a throw-in match that was never supposed to happen. I heard a interview that either Ted DiBiase or Brother Love did saying that because the Tag Team Match of The Natural Disasters vs Money Inc. ran longer than it was supposed to, the British Bulldog vs. Berzerker match was cancelled. So to fill a few minutes they sent Skinner and Owen out there to fill time before the Hogan vs Sid main event match. The match only went about a minute, two if you count the introductions. As for the Anvil/Owen New Foundation releases, I think Anvil was released as a singles wrestler from his late 1991 run because there is no mention of the New Foundation tag team on his bio card. And for Owen, I think he was released because of the New Foundation tag team but by the time he figure was actually released he was a member of High Energy which is what it says on the back of the card. Though, he is wearing his New Foundation attire not his High Energy Attire, the High Energy attire had suspenders and a checkered patter design on the legs. Probably the reason we didn't get a Koko in the High Energy attire was because by the time the figure would have went into production High Energy was no longer a tag team - they had a very short run, probably summer 1992 - January/February 1993. Owen by Rumble 1993 was in his blue attire, Koko was still in the WWF in 1994, I had a Mania video of him from raw after Mania 10 against Double J. Skinner was in the WWF late 1991 he was in the 1991 Survivior Series, 1992 Rumble, Mania 8 and was in the 1993 Rumble as was Koko. Wouldn't say Bezerker or Shango are anymore obscure as they pretty much lasted only few years, wasn't case them being jobbers it's just a gimmick, they weren't jobbers as they would be booked against jobbers in the classic sense to defeat. Owen and Koko were both still in their High Energy attire at Royal Rumble 1993, Owen didn't start wearing the blue attire until after the Royal Rumble. You could put Berzerker, Repoman, and Papa Shango in the same class as Skinner, they would beat the jobbers but almost always lost to main roster stars. Though, Papa Shango did work with the Ultimate Warrior in 1992 and also had a WWF Championship Match against Bret Hart at the Saturday Nights Main Event just before Survivor Series 1992. Even so, I would still say that Skinner was the most obscure wrestler to get a figure made, he always reminded me of Special Delivery Jones and the Brooklyn Brawler - which is that they were just a step up from being a jobber, pretty much a jobber with a gimmick. |
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 9, 2017 17:35:48 GMT -5
Yes, Skinner did have a match at WrestleMania 8 vs. Owen Hart, but that was a throw-in match that was never supposed to happen. It was always set to happen. I watched it back then and it was in the wwf mag preview article and sure it was on mean genes wrestlemania reports in the weeks leading up to the event. It was short due to the time restrictions but was always scheduled Just looked up on youtube, you are correct, it was supposed to happen - never knew that. On the Mean Gene Okerlund WrestleMania Report a week or two before the PPV it said that the match was just signed. I wonder if the match was added to the card just incase they needed to make a match shorter or even cut it from the PPV if another match or 2 went longer than it was supposed too, because, I don't remember them being in a feud or program at the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 18:18:39 GMT -5
Yes, Skinner did have a match at WrestleMania 8 vs. Owen Hart, but that was a throw-in match that was never supposed to happen. I heard a interview that either Ted DiBiase or Brother Love did saying that because the Tag Team Match of The Natural Disasters vs Money Inc. ran longer than it was supposed to, the British Bulldog vs. Berzerker match was cancelled. So to fill a few minutes they sent Skinner and Owen out there to fill time before the Hogan vs Sid main event match. The match only went about a minute, two if you count the introductions. As for the Anvil/Owen New Foundation releases, I think Anvil was released as a singles wrestler from his late 1991 run because there is no mention of the New Foundation tag team on his bio card. And for Owen, I think he was released because of the New Foundation tag team but by the time he figure was actually released he was a member of High Energy which is what it says on the back of the card. Though, he is wearing his New Foundation attire not his High Energy Attire, the High Energy attire had suspenders and a checkered patter design on the legs. Probably the reason we didn't get a Koko in the High Energy attire was because by the time the figure would have went into production High Energy was no longer a tag team - they had a very short run, probably summer 1992 - January/February 1993. Owen by Rumble 1993 was in his blue attire, Koko was still in the WWF in 1994, I had a Mania video of him from raw after Mania 10 against Double J. Skinner was in the WWF late 1991 he was in the 1991 Survivior Series, 1992 Rumble, Mania 8 and was in the 1993 Rumble as was Koko. Wouldn't say Bezerker or Shango are anymore obscure as they pretty much lasted only few years, wasn't case them being jobbers it's just a gimmick, they weren't jobbers as they would be booked against jobbers in the classic sense to defeat. No, Owen was still in his High Energy attire in the 93' Rumble. High Energy broke up in March 93. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 18:19:30 GMT -5
It was always set to happen. I watched it back then and it was in the wwf mag preview article and sure it was on mean genes wrestlemania reports in the weeks leading up to the event. It was short due to the time restrictions but was always scheduled Just looked up on youtube, you are correct, it was supposed to happen - never knew that. On the Mean Gene Okerlund WrestleMania Report a week or two before the PPV it said that the match was just signed. I wonder if the match was added to the card just incase they needed to make a match shorter or even cut it from the PPV if another match or 2 went longer than it was supposed too, because, I don't remember them being in a feud or program at the time. Allegedly the original plan for WM8 was the Beverly Bros vs. The New Foundation. I'm guessing Owen vs. Skinner was born out of Neidhart leaving. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 18:20:37 GMT -5
Also Kona Crush didn't really have any memorable feuds either lol 😂, I wouldn't say Valentine was a jobber lol he was in main feuds in the late 80s so was a known name by fans Good or bad, the Kona Crush/Doink feud was pretty damn memorable lol. |
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Post by hasbrogold! on Dec 9, 2017 18:36:17 GMT -5
Owen by Rumble 1993 was in his blue attire, Koko was still in the WWF in 1994, I had a Mania video of him from raw after Mania 10 against Double J. Skinner was in the WWF late 1991 he was in the 1991 Survivior Series, 1992 Rumble, Mania 8 and was in the 1993 Rumble as was Koko. Wouldn't say Bezerker or Shango are anymore obscure as they pretty much lasted only few years, wasn't case them being jobbers it's just a gimmick, they weren't jobbers as they would be booked against jobbers in the classic sense to defeat. Owen and Koko were both still in their High Energy attire at Royal Rumble 1993, Owen didn't start wearing the blue attire until after the Royal Rumble. You could put Berzerker, Repoman, and Papa Shango in the same class as Skinner, they would beat the jobbers but almost always lost to main roster stars. Though, Papa Shango did work with the Ultimate Warrior in 1992 and also had a WWF Championship Match against Bret Hart at the Saturday Nights Main Event just before Survivor Series 1992. Even so, I would still say that Skinner was the most obscure wrestler to get a figure made, he always reminded me of Special Delivery Jones and the Brooklyn Brawler - which is that they were just a step up from being a jobber, pretty much a jobber with a gimmick. my mistake I've not watched the 93 Rumble in a long time but remembered them being involved, dunno why I thought he was in his blue attire |
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Post by hasbrogold! on Dec 9, 2017 18:38:32 GMT -5
Also Kona Crush didn't really have any memorable feuds either lol 😂, I wouldn't say Valentine was a jobber lol he was in main feuds in the late 80s so was a known name by fans Good or bad, the Kona Crush/Doink feud was pretty damn memorable lol. Yeah they where good 😊 I really liked the 1993 Raw stuff, the start of 1993 was a slow start but mid 1993 picked up steam, I've always been big on the 92, 93 & 94 periods |
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Post by hasbrogold! on Dec 9, 2017 18:41:28 GMT -5
Just looked up on youtube, you are correct, it was supposed to happen - never knew that. On the Mean Gene Okerlund WrestleMania Report a week or two before the PPV it said that the match was just signed. I wonder if the match was added to the card just incase they needed to make a match shorter or even cut it from the PPV if another match or 2 went longer than it was supposed too, because, I don't remember them being in a feud or program at the time. Allegedly the original plan for WM8 was the Beverly Bros vs. The New Foundation. I'm guessing Owen vs. Skinner was born out of Neidhart leaving. New Foundation against The Orient Express was a nice Rumble 1992 opener |
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 9, 2017 19:07:27 GMT -5
I'd say the 1994 Bushwhackers were obscure. 1991 Bushwhackwers were deserved but the 1994 version seemed out of place. The coloring was off, if Hasbro was trying to make their grey attire but instead went with a tan. Unless WWF had plans for that color in advance, because their green top had the tan camo pants but that wasn't until late 1994. Plus Bushwhackers were basically part time by 1992-1993. I'm guessing no other quality choices were available and Hasbro just went with the repaints.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 9, 2017 19:38:40 GMT -5
Just looked up on youtube, you are correct, it was supposed to happen - never knew that. On the Mean Gene Okerlund WrestleMania Report a week or two before the PPV it said that the match was just signed. I wonder if the match was added to the card just incase they needed to make a match shorter or even cut it from the PPV if another match or 2 went longer than it was supposed too, because, I don't remember them being in a feud or program at the time. Allegedly the original plan for WM8 was the Beverly Bros vs. The New Foundation. I'm guessing Owen vs. Skinner was born out of Neidhart leaving. Yes, I believe that is true. During a WWF Superstars TV Show before Survivor Series 1991, Anvil faced Ric Flair, Ric "injured" Anvil's leg with the figure four. As Anvil was crawling back to the locker room the Beverly Brothers came out (because their match was next) and attacked him, further injuring his leg. I believe the story the WWF told was that the Anvil had recruited Owen to help him get his revenge against the Beverly Brothers, and they formed the New Foundation Tag Team. I believe they were working towards a match between the New Foundation and the Beverly Brothers to happen at WM8. At least, that is how I remember it. |
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 9, 2017 19:40:12 GMT -5
Also Kona Crush didn't really have any memorable feuds either lol 😂, I wouldn't say Valentine was a jobber lol he was in main feuds in the late 80s so was a known name by fans Good or bad, the Kona Crush/Doink feud was pretty damn memorable lol. Didn't Crush also have a feud with Shawn Michaels which resulted in a IC Championship match at King of the Ring 1993? |
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 9, 2017 19:48:52 GMT -5
Allegedly the original plan for WM8 was the Beverly Bros vs. The New Foundation. I'm guessing Owen vs. Skinner was born out of Neidhart leaving. New Foundation against The Orient Express was a nice Rumble 1992 opener True. That was a very good match. The Orient Express also had a great opening match against the Rockers the year before at Royal Rumble 1991. They were an underrated team, not great, but they could have very good matches. Also, I really liked the New Foundation. It is a shame that the Anvil left the WWF before they could really get going. I think they could have been really good during that time, especially because the tag team division in the WWF was losing top teams (like the Legion of Doom, the Hart Foundation, and the Rockers) and needed some new talent to fill the void. The tag team division from late 1993 through 1997 was pretty bad, it was getting to the point where the WWF had to start teaming up singles stars (like HBK and Diesel, Owen and Yoko, Owen & Davey Boy, among others) to hold the titles because the regular tag teams were not that good. |
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