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Post by hasbrogold! on Dec 9, 2017 20:16:39 GMT -5
New Foundation against The Orient Express was a nice Rumble 1992 opener True. That was a very good match. The Orient Express also had a great opening match against the Rockers the year before at Royal Rumble 1991. They were an underrated team, not great, but they could have very good matches. Also, I really liked the New Foundation. It is a shame that the Anvil left the WWF before they could really get going. I think they could have been really good during that time, especially because the tag team division in the WWF was losing top teams (like the Legion of Doom, the Hart Foundation, and the Rockers) and needed some new talent to fill the void. The tag team division from late 1993 through 1997 was pretty bad, it was getting to the point where the WWF had to start teaming up singles stars (like HBK and Diesel, Owen and Yoko, Owen & Davey Boy, among others) to hold the titles because the regular tag teams were not that good. Yeah remember the 1991 Royal Rumble not a bad one to be fair. Yeah 93 wasn't great for your tag teams kind of weak like you said you had the Headshrinkers, Steiners, Hevenly Bodies, Smoking Gunns, MOM, Whackers to name a few then late 1993 we got the Quebecers and they teamed up the Kid & Jannetty then we got a short stint for Bret & Owen, those mentioned bar few made for the 94tag teams and we lost the Steiners and we saw Diesel & HBK briefly with the belts, plus few failed challenges by Yoko & Crush and IRS & Bam Bam. Regards 1995 your right mate it was poor but I liked the Owen & Yoko team classic, they pretty much dominated the tag division I don't even remember many challengers to them apart from the Gunns then The Allied Powers lol, it ended up teaming Diesel.& HBK to challenge then once they dropped the belts we saw the Gunns back on top and we brief saw Razor & The Kid!. 1996 lol was crazy 😜 Owen & Bulldog where great but the tag teams just didn't cut it you had the Godwins, Body Donnas, New Rockers, Gunns until split & Furnas & Lafon oh yeah Fake Razor & Fake Diesel!. dont think any of them matches the great stufffrom 87 to 1990, can't beat the 1987 & 1988 Survivor Series with all the great 👍 tag teams in one match.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 9, 2017 20:45:57 GMT -5
True. That was a very good match. The Orient Express also had a great opening match against the Rockers the year before at Royal Rumble 1991. They were an underrated team, not great, but they could have very good matches. Also, I really liked the New Foundation. It is a shame that the Anvil left the WWF before they could really get going. I think they could have been really good during that time, especially because the tag team division in the WWF was losing top teams (like the Legion of Doom, the Hart Foundation, and the Rockers) and needed some new talent to fill the void. The tag team division from late 1993 through 1997 was pretty bad, it was getting to the point where the WWF had to start teaming up singles stars (like HBK and Diesel, Owen and Yoko, Owen & Davey Boy, among others) to hold the titles because the regular tag teams were not that good. Yeah remember the 1991 Royal Rumble not a bad one to be fair. Yeah 93 wasn't great for your tag teams kind of weak like you said you had the Headshrinkers, Steiners, Hevenly Bodies, Smoking Gunns, MOM, Whackers to name a few then late 1993 we got the Quebecers and they teamed up the Kid & Jannetty then we got a short stint for Bret & Owen, those mentioned bar few made for the 94tag teams and we lost the Steiners and we saw Diesel & HBK briefly with the belts, plus few failed challenges by Yoko & Crush and IRS & Bam Bam. Regards 1995 your right mate it was poor but I liked the Owen & Yoko team classic, they pretty much dominated the tag division I don't even remember many challengers to them apart from the Gunns then The Allied Powers lol, it ended up teaming Diesel.& HBK to challenge then once they dropped the belts we saw the Gunns back on top and we brief saw Razor & The Kid!. 1996 lol was crazy 😜 Owen & Bulldog where great but the tag teams just didn't cut it you had the Godwins, Body Donnas, New Rockers, Gunns until split & Furnas & Lafon oh yeah Fake Razor & Fake Diesel!. dont think any of them matches the great stufffrom 87 to 1990, can't beat the 1987 & 1988 Survivor Series with all the great 👍 tag teams in one match. Agreed, 1987-1990 (I would even add 1991) that was probably the best tag team era I have ever seen. Yeah, after the Steiner's left in 1994 the tag team division became very poor and really didn't pick up again until the late 90's/early 00's when the New Age Outlaw, Road Warriors, Cactus Jack & Chainsaw Charlie, APA, Hardy's, Dudley's, and Edge & Christian arrived. And, I didn't have a problem with Owen & Yoko (they actually worked well together), my problem is that they took two singles stars and made them a team at a time when the WWF was lacking single stars as well. The new generation did not have the depth of roster like the hulk-a-mania era (1984-1992) and they really couldn't spare losing two top singles stars - even though they really needed tag team stars.
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Post by hasbrogold! on Dec 9, 2017 21:23:32 GMT -5
Yeah remember the 1991 Royal Rumble not a bad one to be fair. Yeah 93 wasn't great for your tag teams kind of weak like you said you had the Headshrinkers, Steiners, Hevenly Bodies, Smoking Gunns, MOM, Whackers to name a few then late 1993 we got the Quebecers and they teamed up the Kid & Jannetty then we got a short stint for Bret & Owen, those mentioned bar few made for the 94tag teams and we lost the Steiners and we saw Diesel & HBK briefly with the belts, plus few failed challenges by Yoko & Crush and IRS & Bam Bam. Regards 1995 your right mate it was poor but I liked the Owen & Yoko team classic, they pretty much dominated the tag division I don't even remember many challengers to them apart from the Gunns then The Allied Powers lol, it ended up teaming Diesel.& HBK to challenge then once they dropped the belts we saw the Gunns back on top and we brief saw Razor & The Kid!. 1996 lol was crazy 😜 Owen & Bulldog where great but the tag teams just didn't cut it you had the Godwins, Body Donnas, New Rockers, Gunns until split & Furnas & Lafon oh yeah Fake Razor & Fake Diesel!. dont think any of them matches the great stufffrom 87 to 1990, can't beat the 1987 & 1988 Survivor Series with all the great 👍 tag teams in one match. Agreed, 1987-1990 (I would even add 1991) that was probably the best tag team era I have ever seen. Yeah, after the Steiner's left in 1994 the tag team division became very poor and really didn't pick up again until the late 90's/early 00's when the New Age Outlaw, Road Warriors, Cactus Jack & Chainsaw Charlie, APA, Hardy's, Dudley's, and Edge & Christian arrived. And, I didn't have a problem with Owen & Yoko (they actually worked well together), my problem is that they took two singles stars and made them a team at a time when the WWF was lacking single stars as well. The new generation did not have the depth of roster like the hulk-a-mania era (1984-1992) and they really couldn't spare losing two top singles stars - even though they really needed tag team stars. They did tend to use Owen & Yoko a few times as singles, I agree they should of maybe created new teams and made tteams with guys who really weren't fairing to well such as Bob Holly & The Roadie as examples over Owen & Yoko 1995 was just a mess mate from King Of The Ring what a mess to SS 1995, no Tag Team Belts defended just lots of bad decisions and gimmicks but I have an old soft spot for that year. Can't beat late 80s lol 😂 classic Harts Demolition Dream Team Islanders Bolsheviks Powers Bulldogs Rockers Fab Rouge Young Stallions Brain Busters Conquistadors Killer Bees Whackers Power & Glory bit later Unreal
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Dec 10, 2017 2:52:40 GMT -5
Good or bad, the Kona Crush/Doink feud was pretty damn memorable lol. Didn't Crush also have a feud with Shawn Michaels which resulted in a IC Championship match at King of the Ring 1993? Sure did, I don't know if it was a big feud, but they did have the IC match at KotR. I thought Crush was way over as a face, and I thought he was a potential name in the mix when they were scrambling for a new face champion at the end of 92'. I also really thought when I was a kid he had a legit chance of being the guy to beat Yoko in 93' for the belt on Raw when he got injured before his heel turn.
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Post by master_fuji on Dec 10, 2017 4:22:31 GMT -5
Its an interesting question but I don't really see any of them as obscure. These were all reflective of the roster at that point in time.
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Post by robbutler01 on Dec 10, 2017 5:30:33 GMT -5
It was always set to happen. I watched it back then and it was in the wwf mag preview article and sure it was on mean genes wrestlemania reports in the weeks leading up to the event. It was short due to the time restrictions but was always scheduled Just looked up on youtube, you are correct, it was supposed to happen - never knew that. On the Mean Gene Okerlund WrestleMania Report a week or two before the PPV it said that the match was just signed. I wonder if the match was added to the card just incase they needed to make a match shorter or even cut it from the PPV if another match or 2 went longer than it was supposed too, because, I don't remember them being in a feud or program at the time. No they weren't in a feud at the time i think it was just a get them on the card type deal same as bulldog v berzerker, although I'm surprised they dropped bulldog and not the Owen match as bulldog was a bigger name at that point and he could have squashed the berzerker quick if need be.
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Post by ozz on Dec 10, 2017 9:55:26 GMT -5
Its an interesting question but I don't really see any of them as obscure. These were all reflective of the roster at that point in time. Pretty much. But overall, some of these wrestlers are far more obscure in WWF (yea I said it!) history. I'd say Skinner based on the fact that the average wrestling fan on the street wouldn't know him. Probably not Nailz or even another guy or two listed, but Skinner also never did anything remotely high profile like Giant Gonzalez for instance. Bushwhackers were far too popular to not have figures, come on now. Valentine too, his legacy cemented the reason for his figure.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 10, 2017 12:06:52 GMT -5
Just looked up on youtube, you are correct, it was supposed to happen - never knew that. On the Mean Gene Okerlund WrestleMania Report a week or two before the PPV it said that the match was just signed. I wonder if the match was added to the card just incase they needed to make a match shorter or even cut it from the PPV if another match or 2 went longer than it was supposed too, because, I don't remember them being in a feud or program at the time. No they weren't in a feud at the time i think it was just a get them on the card type deal same as bulldog v berzerker, although I'm surprised they dropped bulldog and not the Owen match as bulldog was a bigger name at that point and he could have squashed the berzerker quick if need be. Yeah, Bulldog could have, but maybe they were higher on the Berzerker than Skinner at the time and didn't mind Skinner getting squashed instead of Berzerker. If I remember correctly, after WM8 and before Summer Slam 1992, the Berzerker had a feud with the Undertaker. Maybe they didn't want to squash him if they had plans for him to feud with the Undertaker. Squashing him would have made him look too weak to be a threat against the Undertaker.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 10, 2017 12:20:27 GMT -5
Its an interesting question but I don't really see any of them as obscure. These were all reflective of the roster at that point in time. Pretty much. But overall, some of these wrestlers are far more obscure in WWF (yea I said it!) history. I'd say Skinner based on the fact that the average wrestling fan on the street wouldn't know him. Probably not Nailz or even another guy or two listed, but Skinner also never did anything remotely high profile like Giant Gonzalez for instance. Bushwhackers were far too popular to not have figures, come on now. Valentine too, his legacy cemented the reason for his figure. Don't know why someone would think that Valentine didn't deserve a figure, he was kind of an odd choice for this list. Though, I think it may have to do with timing of the release of his figure. I believe his figure was released in 1992 and by that time he was only making spot appearances with the WWF - I think he was also in the WCW at the time. But, when his figure was getting made, he was still a mid-card wrestler for the WWF. If I am not mistaking, in Early-mid 1991, probably around the time they were producing his figure, he was getting a push as a new babyface. I believe he had a few IC Title matches vs Mr. Perfect. Plus, the cancellation of his Rhythm and Blues tag team set may also be a reason we got him in series 3.
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Post by hasbrogold! on Dec 10, 2017 13:51:11 GMT -5
Didn't Crush also have a feud with Shawn Michaels which resulted in a IC Championship match at King of the Ring 1993? Sure did, I don't know if it was a big feud, but they did have the IC match at KotR. I thought Crush was way over as a face, and I thought he was a potential name in the mix when they were scrambling for a new face champion at the end of 92'. I also really thought when I was a kid he had a legit chance of being the guy to beat Yoko in 93' for the belt on Raw when he got injured before his heel turn. Yeah Crush was cool but I think his arrests and drugs kept him from getting that big push, his Kona Crush figures awesome
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Post by robbutler01 on Dec 10, 2017 15:19:54 GMT -5
No they weren't in a feud at the time i think it was just a get them on the card type deal same as bulldog v berzerker, although I'm surprised they dropped bulldog and not the Owen match as bulldog was a bigger name at that point and he could have squashed the berzerker quick if need be. Yeah, Bulldog could have, but maybe they were higher on the Berzerker than Skinner at the time and didn't mind Skinner getting squashed instead of Berzerker. If I remember correctly, after WM8 and before Summer Slam 1992, the Berzerker had a feud with the Undertaker. Maybe they didn't want to squash him if they had plans for him to feud with the Undertaker. Squashing him would have made him look too weak to be a threat against the Undertaker. Yes he did move on to the taker feud just after so prob why they didn't job him out on the ppv.
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Post by jsmells on Dec 12, 2017 13:31:43 GMT -5
Dude, I don't even remember Skinner existing and I was a super mark.
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Post by ozz on Dec 12, 2017 15:00:08 GMT -5
Dude, I don't even remember Skinner existing and I was a super mark. Not super enough =P I remember the vignettes of him in swamp and all that. I always missed when they stopped having those introductory promos for so many characters coming in. And half of them were essentially bums anyway.
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Post by jsmells on Dec 12, 2017 15:23:24 GMT -5
Dude, I don't even remember Skinner existing and I was a super mark. Not super enough =P I remember the vignettes of him in swamp and all that. I always missed when they stopped having those introductory promos for so many characters coming in. And half of them were essentially bums anyway. Clearly not 😂 I loved the Razor Ramon ones. Dude those were the best.
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Post by Taylor on Dec 12, 2017 17:18:53 GMT -5
Dude, I don't even remember Skinner existing and I was a super mark. Not super enough =P I remember the vignettes of him in swamp and all that. I always missed when they stopped having those introductory promos for so many characters coming in. And half of them were essentially bums anyway. I remember this! This post took me back as it is one of those things you'd literally never think about for 20+ years after!
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Post by RedDevil on Dec 12, 2017 17:48:17 GMT -5
I agree that Bastion Booger would’ve been the most obscure of the lot if the orange series had been produced - all the years of rumours about that series, his was the name I was always most sceptical over; if they were planning on making him then they may as well have made the likes of other nobodies like The Goon, Mantaur or Max Moon. I understand that it makes sense to space-out the releases of the major names like King of Harts Owen, but wasting a figure on Bastion Booger? Really? I’d still have bought him though, if they’d given me the chance
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Post by ozz on Dec 12, 2017 21:32:16 GMT -5
Not super enough =P I remember the vignettes of him in swamp and all that. I always missed when they stopped having those introductory promos for so many characters coming in. And half of them were essentially bums anyway. Clearly not 😂 I loved the Razor Ramon ones. Dude those were the best. Oh yeah. He was over before he ever stepped through the curtain! "Do you know...whhhho I am chico? :throws table:"
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Dec 13, 2017 0:58:57 GMT -5
I agree that Bastion Booger would’ve been the most obscure of the lot if the orange series had been produced - all the years of rumours about that series, his was the name I was always most sceptical over; if they were planning on making him then they may as well have made the likes of other nobodies like The Goon, Mantaur or Max Moon. I understand that it makes sense to space-out the releases of the major names like King of Harts Owen, but wasting a figure on Bastion Booger? Really? I’d still have bought him though, if they’d given me the chance I would have bought anyone they did, I had every figure they came out with. Mantaur would have been the best! With bull head!
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Post by hasbrogold! on Dec 16, 2017 0:42:51 GMT -5
The ones released on green and rumoured orange all where from mid 1993 debuts, Diesel wasn't on green as he still was a bodyguard and not competing in the ring yet until late 1993, a king of harts would of made no sense as was mid 1994, maybe a blue outfit Owen yes, other figures they could of done after an Orange series is Therman sparky Plugg, The Model in blue attire, Face Doink & Dink, The Quebecers, Jerry Lawler, USA Luger then following from that, King of Harts, Heel Anvil, 123 Kid new attire, Alundra Blayze, Deadman Purple attire, Bret Hart new attire, Bulldog new attire just my two cent.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 16, 2017 14:47:41 GMT -5
I would also add the Million Dollar Man and Mr. Perfect vignettes in the running for the best, those were great too.
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