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Post by motleyspoisongun on Dec 30, 2017 21:59:25 GMT -5
Obviously when Taker lost to Lesnar, it was to give back to the business but in reality what did Taker losing really give back? Lesnar was already made at that point, so what did his 1st loss really accomplish (other than shock value) in the long run? i think this was a situation where Undertaker was too much of a “company man”
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Post by ClashOfStyles on Dec 30, 2017 22:01:37 GMT -5
Nothing. It was only done for shock value and should have never been broken in the first place.
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Post by The Brain on Dec 30, 2017 22:03:26 GMT -5
Nothing. It was only done for shock value and should have never been broken in the first place. This. |
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Post by motleyspoisongun on Dec 30, 2017 22:04:31 GMT -5
Nothing. It was only done for shock value and should have never been broken in the first place. i completey agree, im just interested in what others thought, if anyone thought it really did anything positive in the long run |
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Post by BØRNS on Dec 30, 2017 22:47:20 GMT -5
Nothing. It was only done for shock value and should have never been broken in the first place. i completey agree, im just interested in what others thought, if anyone thought it really did anything positive in the long run Lesnar wasn't "already made" in WWE when he broke the streak. He had 50% booking when he returned losing both to Cena and Triple H. But when he beat Undertaker at WM30, he went on to beat Cena at SummerSlam for the WWE Championship and at that point I think he was "made". But I think the streak should not have been broken. He will probably retire at WrestleMania this year. |
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Post by Darkhawk on Dec 30, 2017 22:48:07 GMT -5
He's lost to Lesnar and Reigns, the streak shouldn't have been broken in the first place. And WWE should of given us John Cena vs. Undertaker or Sting vs. Undertaker when they had the chance.
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Post by bababooey on Dec 30, 2017 22:58:50 GMT -5
I think it wasn’t needed and I still don’t agree with it. But it did accomplish something in my opinion.
It kicked off Lesnar’s pretty much year long rampage that eventually culminated in Rollins taking the title off Lesnar. That then kicked off a pretty good title run by Rollins.
It basically gave Lesnar even more credibility than he had, so anyone that beat him after seemed even more badass.
They still could have gotten there without ending the streak though.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 30, 2017 23:08:01 GMT -5
The ONLY way the Streak should have ended was if Taker himself had said he was done for good.
I didn't like the fact that Bock defeated him, merely because I don't know if Brock appreciates the severity of it. I hope I'm wrong but, I fear that type of thing means s**t to Brock. Plus you never know with Brock. He could have bailed on them shortly after and it all would have been for nothing.
Last year I had less of an issue with Roman winning for two reasons. First, the bloom is already off the rose. Streaks over, so it meant a lot less. And two, Taker's age finally caught up with him. He looked old, he looked sore, and he looked tired. I love having him around, but I pray he doesn't come back for one more.
The only way I would like him to come back would be if they striped away the Deadman gimmick. No more powers. Just have him as a man who has moved on to the next chapter in his life. But (let's say Owens) won't leave him be. He bothers him at home. He attacks him while he's out to eat with his family. He's poking the bear at every chance he can. Build him up like Logan. After all the abuse finally the old man Mark comes back to make his last stand. Just my opinion though.
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Post by motleyspoisongun on Dec 30, 2017 23:11:57 GMT -5
i completey agree, im just interested in what others thought, if anyone thought it really did anything positive in the long run Lesnar wasn't "already made" in WWE when he broke the streak. He had 50% booking when he returned losing both to Cena and Triple H. But when he beat Undertaker at WM30, he went on to beat Cena at SummerSlam for the WWE Championship and at that point I think he was "made". But I think the streak should not have been broken. He will probably retire at WrestleMania this year. I beg to differ, Lesnar was already a made guy before he made the jump to UFC, he then did “some” damage in UFC & when he came back, he was still a beast. hell, he’d beaten Taker before at a Hell In The Cell & even already beat The Rock & Cena before he had left. Lesnar did not need that win at all especially being a part timer like Taker |
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Post by Mark Martin on Dec 30, 2017 23:12:43 GMT -5
Yeah I'm on the side of if the streak was to be broken that it should've been Taker's call and his call only and have been his last match. If the match was career vs career/streak against someone and he lost, that would've been a crazy emotion scene for the crowd and him but would've been a great way to go out.
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 30, 2017 23:17:43 GMT -5
Brock’s win over Cena at SummerSlam, in the fashion that he won, is what “made” Brock for the run he’s still on.
I think Brock beating Taker was more of a dignified way for Taker to get that monkey off of his back because he was getting up there in age. I know people don’t like it, nor do I really, but Brock makes sense as the guy who dealt that blow since he’s a legitimate monster. I won’t defend the Reigns loss, though. That match was sad to watch imo, and not in like a poetic Flair vs HBK kind of way, either.
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Post by BROKEN on Dec 30, 2017 23:27:50 GMT -5
It should’ve never happened. I think my jaw is still on the floor since it happened. If ANYONE was to do it, it should have been Cena. Brock Vs Bray and Cena Vs Taker would have been awesome. The streak made Wrestlemania so awesome.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Dec 31, 2017 0:16:18 GMT -5
Cena should’ve ended the streak. On Cena’s 1st night in wwe Undertaker shook his hand and said he was gonna be something special one day, imagine if that would’ve come full circle
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 0:56:15 GMT -5
i completey agree, im just interested in what others thought, if anyone thought it really did anything positive in the long run Lesnar wasn't "already made" in WWE when he broke the streak. He had 50% booking when he returned losing both to Cena and Triple H. But when he beat Undertaker at WM30, he went on to beat Cena at SummerSlam for the WWE Championship and at that point I think he was "made". But I think the streak should not have been broken. He will probably retire at WrestleMania this year. You right |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Dec 31, 2017 1:24:51 GMT -5
The real answer? Vince envisioned that Brock would beat Taker, then Roman would beat Brock and Roman would become the bestest wrestler forever and ever!
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Dec 31, 2017 5:46:10 GMT -5
Wrestling is a scripted show, we all know this. Someone with a winning streak is all well and good in legitimate sports, but in entertainment the only real reason for it is as a plot device. For Taker to go his whole career and never lose at WM would be similar to a guy holding a championship for a long time and retiring with it; pretty cool for that guy, but no one else really benefits from it. So you use it to put over an up and comer and push them to the top.
The problem WWE has with that in this day and age is the simple fact that they’re afraid to take the chance on someone that isn’t already high on the merch sale chart. Randy Orton could have gotten the rub way back at WM 21, but due to his injury, or other reasons, they decided against it. Randy went on to stardom without winning that match though.
So they give it to Brock. Was Vince so high on Roman that he was planning his meteoric rise way back at WM 30? Was Vince so sure that Taker was ready to retire this time that he made the call for the loss? Will we ever find out the truth behind that decision, like an episode of Unsolved Mysteries? Who knows. I feel like this is one of those things someone will come forward with after Vince passes away. And I guess I feel like we won’t be able to judge the fallout of that match until we hear why from behind the scenes.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Dec 31, 2017 9:09:45 GMT -5
Cena should’ve ended the streak. On Cena’s 1st night in wwe Undertaker shook his hand and said he was gonna be something special one day, imagine if that would’ve come full circle I always thought Cena should of broke it if it had to be broken. He could of won underhandedly and they could of had him turn heel. I’m not a person who constantly is clamoring for Cena to turn heel. But it would of been epic. |
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Post by keegandimitrijevic01 on Dec 31, 2017 9:31:35 GMT -5
The Streak being broken was a desperation move because WWE wanted to provide shock value besides Daniel Bryan winning the big one. Vince said on Austin's podcast that it was to build up Brock for WrestleMania 31, but Brock didn't need to break that streak; plus that's a bad answer to give when you broke the most famous streak in pro wrestling history. If you were ever going to break the streak (which i wouldn't have), have a new guy who could use that to catapult his career, Bray Wyatt.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Dec 31, 2017 9:53:18 GMT -5
It should have never been broken. Undertaker should have retired undefeated at WM, on his own accord. Not a bunch of whiny ass fans telling him when his time is over.
He was a young troubadour when he rode in on a song. And he'll be an old troubadour when he's gone.
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Post by LA Times on Dec 31, 2017 10:10:56 GMT -5
The streak only shouldve ended if it was Undertaker's FINAL match and it shouldve been to either John Cena if he was going to turn heel or Roman Reigns
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