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Post by snatch on Jan 3, 2018 19:18:26 GMT -5
People taking things so serious and being emotional, bully this/bully that. The States have definitely regressed in that, in the last 5 years the US has gotten really soft in that dept.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 3, 2018 20:13:24 GMT -5
So we're all in agreement that the downfall of America has come from the "make love not war, hippie pot smoking" baby boomers & the soft & sensitive millennials? And a corrupt welfare system? Cause thats what its sounding like to me.
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Post by disorder on Jan 3, 2018 22:38:09 GMT -5
So we're all in agreement that the downfall of America has come from the "make love not war, hippie pot smoking" baby boomers & the soft & sensitive millennials? And a corrupt welfare system? Cause thats what its sounding like to me. The amount of people believing in “me” and “now” are holding society back. Welfare is helping the future. People may take advantage of it, but so many children who will be running this country in the future depend on it. Statistics have shown that corruption is not as rampant as most think. The fact that the lower and middle class are consistently being held down by minimum wage and cost of living is driving society downward.
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Post by rkmo: 10 Month Notice on Jan 4, 2018 1:34:54 GMT -5
Rampant greed and corruption seeping into every facet of society that wields any power or influence; the growing implicitness of people to only recognize thoughts and beliefs that mirror or validate their own; and the fact people are now allowed, encouraged, even mandated, to live their lives devoid of intellectual thought, dependent on others to think and act for them, cancels out any benefits technological advancements may bring. Nay, mankind has already doomed itself. The only hope is for our extraterrestrial ancestral Overlords to appear once again and grant us all a reprieve from our impending self destruction.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 4:01:20 GMT -5
Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Jan 4, 2018 13:30:24 GMT -5
Hard times create strong men, Strong men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times. Sadly, this is a vicious cycle.
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Post by Darkhawk on Jan 4, 2018 20:14:36 GMT -5
Definitely regressed, I'm experiencing this first hand every day at college and at my work. The more people I keep meeting the more I realize people have no common sense. Of course this isn't for everyone but 8/10 people I meet I feel are idiots.
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Post by Lego Customs! on Jan 5, 2018 5:38:44 GMT -5
Definitely regressed here in the UK but with signs of hope that one day we can progress again.
Here we have welfare being slashed to save money which allows for the richest to get tax breaks. Well over one million food parcels were handed out last year because people cannot afford to feed their families, this includes working people because the value of wages has fallen while inflation has risen. Rent goes up, fuel goes up, energy goes up, food goes up and wages go down... It doesn't work. The NHS is at crisis point at the moment with ambulances being turned away from many hospitals and sick people filling the corridors. 55,000 non emergency operations have been postponed to cope with the pressure, all because the government have massively underfunded the NHS over the past nearly 8 years and cut staff wages forcing them out in an attempt to make the service look terrible so that they can try to justify privatising it so that they can Americanise it and make money out of people's healthcare.
All the while the right wing newspapers in this country (mainly the Daily Mail who in the 30s supported fascism and wrote about what a misunderstood gentleman Hitler was!) spout their fake news to whip up the less informed into hating and fearing everything to the point they willingly vote against their own interests. "you can't vote for those dangerous left wing extremists!" Is ending child poverty a dangerous extremist idea? Is putting money into healthcare a dangerous extreme idea? They've convinced the rubes that they are but taking money from the sick and disabled? "that's a sensible idea to cut national debt". Bring back grammar schools so that the rich kids can have a better education than the lower income kids? "oh well that helps (rich) kids".
Society has regressed because too many people just look out for themselves and the majority of them are so blinkered by right wing lies that as I said, they vote for the very people that are causing them and everyone else hard times. How bad to things have to get before those people realise? Britain is heading back to the Victorian era, hell, we've had many reports of Victorian illnesses making a return because of the squalid conditions. Do we have to go back even further before people realise it's not the way forward?
This country needs a massive change.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jan 7, 2018 9:25:44 GMT -5
Sorry for the double post, but I just had to get this out here: it's a cool thing to be a scummy person now. Doing drugs, drinking excessively, cheating on your SO, these things are cool now and you're considered lame if you don't. It's constantly portrayed like that on TV, in music, in everything. It's ridiculous. I don’t know what country you’re from..but underage drinking and drug is at a low currently In America? Negative. Drugs and alcohol is at an all time high. No pun intended! There are more Overdoses now than ever, and new drugs hit the streets every 3 months.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Jan 7, 2018 9:49:50 GMT -5
I would love to see this question debated in Facebook comments section. The stuff that goes on in there is entertaining
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Post by disorder on Jan 7, 2018 10:12:00 GMT -5
I don’t know what country you’re from..but underage drinking and drug is at a low currently In America? Negative. Drugs and alcohol is at an all time high. No pun intended! There are more Overdoses now than ever, and new drugs hit the streets every 3 months. I said underage drug use
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Post by ClashOfStyles on Jan 7, 2018 15:49:05 GMT -5
In America? Negative. Drugs and alcohol is at an all time high. No pun intended! There are more Overdoses now than ever, and new drugs hit the streets every 3 months. I said underage drug use A lot of High School kids get their hands on drugs these days. Weed, heroin, opioids, and prescriptions are actually super easy to get ahold of if you know where to get them. It’s a major problem that really needs to be addressed. It doesn’t help that the music these kids are listening to champions hard drugs as the greatest thing in the world, but that’s another discussion entirely.
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Post by disorder on Jan 7, 2018 15:50:39 GMT -5
A lot of High School kids get their hands on drugs these days. Weed, heroin, opioids, and prescriptions are actually super easy to get ahold of if you know where to get them. It’s a major problem that really needs to be addressed. It doesn’t help that the music these kids are listening to champions hard drugs as the greatest thing in the world, but that’s another discussion entirely. Statistically, drug use is down. Not saying hard are not a massive problem. There’s an opioid crisis that is being handled the completely wrong way.
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Post by ClashOfStyles on Jan 7, 2018 15:58:20 GMT -5
A lot of High School kids get their hands on drugs these days. Weed, heroin, opioids, and prescriptions are actually super easy to get ahold of if you know where to get them. It’s a major problem that really needs to be addressed. It doesn’t help that the music these kids are listening to champions hard drugs as the greatest thing in the world, but that’s another discussion entirely. Statistically, drug use is down. Not saying hard are not a massive problem. There’s an opioid crisis that is being handled the completely wrong way. To me it seems like the numbers have gone down, but the individual cases are worse. Society (especially American culture) has made drugs the “cool” thing for kids to do. I agree with you that the opioid crisis is being handled like $#!+. The way the whole war on drugs has been handled has just made things worse.
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Post by disorder on Jan 7, 2018 16:11:48 GMT -5
Statistically, drug use is down. Not saying hard are not a massive problem. There’s an opioid crisis that is being handled the completely wrong way. To me it seems like the numbers have gone down, but the individual cases are worse. Society (especially American culture) has made drugs the “cool” thing for kids to do. I agree with you that the opioid crisis is being handled like $#!+. The way the whole war on drugs has been handled has just made things worse. Well the whole war on drugs was basically a racial driven war. They need to bring the hammer down on pharmaceutical companies and the doctors they pay to shove these pills. Until then, the opioid issues will continue to get worse. Locking up pill heads won’t help it at all.
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Post by ClashOfStyles on Jan 7, 2018 16:18:55 GMT -5
To me it seems like the numbers have gone down, but the individual cases are worse. Society (especially American culture) has made drugs the “cool” thing for kids to do. I agree with you that the opioid crisis is being handled like $#!+. The way the whole war on drugs has been handled has just made things worse. Well the whole war on drugs was basically a racial driven war. They need to bring the hammer down on pharmaceutical companies and the doctors they pay to shove these pills. Until then, the opioid issues will continue to get worse. Locking up pill heads won’t help it at all. Exactly. Find the source and eliminate it. Stop looking at the color and start looking at the facts.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jan 7, 2018 16:38:53 GMT -5
To me it seems like the numbers have gone down, but the individual cases are worse. Society (especially American culture) has made drugs the “cool” thing for kids to do. I agree with you that the opioid crisis is being handled like $#!+. The way the whole war on drugs has been handled has just made things worse. Well the whole war on drugs was basically a racial driven war. They need to bring the hammer down on pharmaceutical companies and the doctors they pay to shove these pills. Until then, the opioid issues will continue to get worse. Locking up pill heads won’t help it at all. Healthy patients make doctors broke, which hurts Big Pharma. If you perscribe a patient with a drug they can easily get hooked on, you have a patient for life and guaranteed money. Fill them with downers long enough for depression to take a hold of their life, the fill them with uppers. Kill their serotonin levels and makers, and you can then fill them with opiods and steroids to create a healthy base level. Its all a game. The you have those that have multiple doctors that don't bother to check medical records or references that send you home with a skittles bottle and a 7 day menu that leaves you broken in the health department and financial department.
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Post by k5 on Jan 7, 2018 17:46:13 GMT -5
So we're all in agreement that the downfall of America has come from the "make love not war, hippie pot smoking" baby boomers & the soft & sensitive millennials? And a corrupt welfare system? Cause thats what its sounding like to me. i couldn't disagree more. if anything, the state of things is because the hippies lost the war on consciousness and the television brainwashing won. because it's easier to encourage people to not think than think. why has the american education lowered in quality? because they want to make as many plebs as possible, that follow them with their heads down into whatever wars or attitude they wish. they needed factory workers, not independent thinkers. but now the factories are gone so the lower class has all been tossed aside and nothing but a disgusting stupid rust belt remains. well, that and a generation of low class males with no job prospects unless they manage to fall into a trade. the hippies had it right - the state of the world from the wars in the middle east and elsewhere, to global warming, to our current infestation of toxic corporations strangling our economy all would have been eradicated and reformed had that altruistic mindset been followed. “It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era — the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run... but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant...
There was madness in any direction, at any hour. You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning...
And that, I think, was the handle — that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply PREVAIL. There was no point in fighting — on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave...
So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high water mark — that place where the wave finally broke, and rolled back.”― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
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Post by k5 on Jan 7, 2018 17:55:55 GMT -5
When I was a kid growing up in the 70's and a teen growing up in the 80's, things were so different. No adults kissed our asses. We were the lesser important people between adults and kids. That's not to say we were unimportant, but we were not at the same league or above adults as most children are now a days. We were disciplined. We had actual consequences. We would not dare say something bad to any adult or disrespect any adult... and if we did dare to, we would have our asses handed to ourselves and then more consequences at home. If we were sitting on a bus with a parent or sitting at a restaurant waiting for a table and there were adults coming in, WE had to get up to let them sit, not the other way around as it is today. As a result, common courtesy is now all but extinct. Tolerance is gone. Everyone is out for themselves with no forethought of how any of our selfishness affects our fellow human beings. There is so much unemployment out there not because it is too hard to get a job, but because many do not have to. Mommy & Daddy support their very grown up and capable children, not to mention the backwards welfare system that also supports the jobless. The grown up children should be helping out THEIR PARENTS, not the other way around. Many Grandparents just about have no choice to support and be surrogate Parents to their Grandkids because their lazy, disrespectful, irresponsible children refuse to do what they have to do and instead go party at the expense of their parents. Not to say that everyone is like that, but I see it so much now and how it's so different. If I could ask anything of you guys, you the children that are still kids and teens... please be the ones to make a difference and be responsible, respect fellow humans and animals. Don't force your parents to have to suffer the hardship of your mistakes or irresponsibilities. Those consequences are yours and yours only, no one else's, not your Parents and not the Welfare system. Know that others have feelings, not only you. You are not better than anyone, nor is anyone better than you. Love yourself, you are important, but so is everyone else. You can make a dire and much needed change in this world and all it takes is a little understanding, facing your mistakes, a dash of responsibility with a touch of tolerance & kindness. JS i understand wanting to point at someone to be angry about today's times, but people on the welfare system aren't the ones. the percentage of your taxes per year that go towards those programs is so low that it's not even a relevant argument. here's an example: In 2012, the average American taxpayer making $50,000 per year paid just $36 towards the food stamps program and about $6 per year for the rest of the social safety net programs. - www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/readers/2016/05/26/how-much-does-welfare-cost-average-taxpayer/84917512/ blame those above you, not below you. your taxes are used to subsidize major corporations that are already stealing from you. that is what is damaging our economy, and all this 'loss of morals' people are discussing in this thread are a direct result of just overall quality of life lowering. and it's lowering because those in power are intentionally destroying the middle class and have been for the last 20 years, while completely disregarding the lower class who used to depend on factories that are now just a part of a pathetic rust belt. there is a psychology study that uses rats in a box. when the rats all have enough room to live freely and optimally, they live harmoniously. when the box there in is reduced in size, the rats become more aggressive towards one another. we are the rats in the box.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Jan 7, 2018 18:45:56 GMT -5
So we're all in agreement that the downfall of America has come from the "make love not war, hippie pot smoking" baby boomers & the soft & sensitive millennials? And a corrupt welfare system? Cause thats what its sounding like to me. i couldn't disagree more. if anything, the state of things is because the hippies lost the war on consciousness and the television brainwashing won. because it's easier to encourage people to not think than think. why has the american education lowered in quality? because they want to make as many plebs as possible, that follow them with their heads down into whatever wars or attitude they wish. they needed factory workers, not independent thinkers. but now the factories are gone so the lower class has all been tossed aside and nothing but a disgusting stupid rust belt remains. well, that and a generation of low class males with no job prospects unless they manage to fall into a trade. the hippies had it right - the state of the world from the wars in the middle east and elsewhere, to global warming, to our current infestation of toxic corporations strangling our economy all would have been eradicated and reformed had that altruistic mindset been followed. “It seems like a lifetime, or at least a Main Era — the kind of peak that never comes again. San Francisco in the middle sixties was a very special time and place to be a part of. Maybe it meant something. Maybe not, in the long run... but no explanation, no mix of words or music or memories can touch that sense of knowing that you were there and alive in that corner of time and the world. Whatever it meant...
There was madness in any direction, at any hour. You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning...
And that, I think, was the handle — that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn't need that. Our energy would simply PREVAIL. There was no point in fighting — on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave...
So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high water mark — that place where the wave finally broke, and rolled back.”― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las VegasThe fact that you quoted Mr. Raul Duke is simply phenomenal. Cudos to you brother
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