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Post by havoc7179 on Feb 28, 2018 10:10:17 GMT -5
I don't see John Cena winning at Fastlane and becoming WWE Champion...so really, this is not going to help him in his (kayfabe) quest for a match at WrestleMania. If anything, this is probably a business move to try and improve viewership for Fastlane because anything Smackdown these days has been tanking in the ratings and viewership, so adding John Cena, a proven draw, is just a calculated business move because nobody in that match except Cena is really WWE Championship material at the moment. Cena adds name value. But again, I believe he walks out of that match without the title and still needs a match...this is where they will either circle back around to The Undertaker (I hope not), or the plans for Cena's actual opponent will become clear. You'll still have 4 weeks until Mania after Fastlane, so that's enough time to build a credible feud. Rumor has it that Mysterio is coming in for a dream match against Cena. Now, WWE has already teased that AJ and Mysterio is a dream match, so IDK if Mysterio vs Cena is where they're going. I can see AJ vs. Mysterio as WWE thinks for some dumb reason me seeing a has been of a luchador vs the greatest wrestler in the world is better than a rematch of Naka vs. AJ. But then again, these are the brain trusts that think Roman vs. Brock is something we're all clamoring for. After sleeping on it, I've resigned myself to 3 things 1) John Cena needs to break Flair's record on a bigger match at say a big 4 PPV. Not a throwaway designed to hype Wrestlemania. 2) The bigger dream match so to speak is Naka v. Styles for WWE 3) WWE doesn't think things logically, so neither 2 of the above things will happen. I think WWE waits until Mania sells out (or nearly sells out) before pulling the rug beneath us. We can't resell our tickets for the price we paid (if we got meh seats) and we're kind of just stuck with our travel plans by then. Hopefully getting on a plane again won't be for nothing.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 28, 2018 10:35:32 GMT -5
I don't see John Cena winning at Fastlane and becoming WWE Champion...so really, this is not going to help him in his (kayfabe) quest for a match at WrestleMania. If anything, this is probably a business move to try and improve viewership for Fastlane because anything Smackdown these days has been tanking in the ratings and viewership, so adding John Cena, a proven draw, is just a calculated business move because nobody in that match except Cena is really WWE Championship material at the moment. Cena adds name value. But again, I believe he walks out of that match without the title and still needs a match...this is where they will either circle back around to The Undertaker (I hope not), or the plans for Cena's actual opponent will become clear. You'll still have 4 weeks until Mania after Fastlane, so that's enough time to build a credible feud. Rumor has it that Mysterio is coming in for a dream match against Cena. Now, WWE has already teased that AJ and Mysterio is a dream match, so IDK if Mysterio vs Cena is where they're going. I can see AJ vs. Mysterio as WWE thinks for some dumb reason me seeing a has been of a luchador vs the greatest wrestler in the world is better than a rematch of Naka vs. AJ. But then again, these are the brain trusts that think Roman vs. Brock is something we're all clamoring for. After sleeping on it, I've resigned myself to 3 things 1) John Cena needs to break Flair's record on a bigger match at say a big 4 PPV. Not a throwaway designed to hype Wrestlemania. 2) The bigger dream match so to speak is Naka v. Styles for WWE 3) WWE doesn't think things logically, so neither 2 of the above things will happen. I think WWE waits until Mania sells out (or nearly sells out) before pulling the rug beneath us. We can't resell our tickets for the price we paid (if we got meh seats) and we're kind of just stuck with our travel plans by then. Hopefully getting on a plane again won't be for nothing. Even if let's say Cena DID win the WWE Title at Fastlane....wouldn't AJ Styles be entitled to a re-match at Mania making it a Triple Threat match between Cena, Nakamura and AJ? I don't see anyway for a straight up one on one AJ Styles vs. Rey Mysterio match at WrestleMania...unless WWE fudges the "rematch clause" thing again where AJ Styles will just "get a rematch at some point in the future whenever we get around to it, maybe never though" lol. Then AJ vs Mysterio is just randomly created and Cena goes on to defend against Nakamura? Plus, by winning the Royal Rumble, Shinsuke is just entitled to a title match, not a ONE ON ONE title match....happened to Batista at Mania 30 where he ended up getting a Triple Threat. The fact that it was revealed that AJ Styles has actually surpassed people like John Cena and Roman Reigns in merchandise sales leads me to believe that he's not dropping the belt any time soon, and he'd probably even retain it at Mania against Shinsuke because WWE doesn't like to shoot the golden goose if a person is drawing/selling. I say Cena loses at Fastlane and then comes out on whatever show that week all depressed and desperate, and THAT is where either Undertaker/Mysterio/Whoever will emerge as Cena's actual Mania opponent. I just hope it's not Jinder or Barron Corbin, lol.
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Post by havoc7179 on Feb 28, 2018 11:01:27 GMT -5
Rumor has it that Mysterio is coming in for a dream match against Cena. Now, WWE has already teased that AJ and Mysterio is a dream match, so IDK if Mysterio vs Cena is where they're going. I can see AJ vs. Mysterio as WWE thinks for some dumb reason me seeing a has been of a luchador vs the greatest wrestler in the world is better than a rematch of Naka vs. AJ. But then again, these are the brain trusts that think Roman vs. Brock is something we're all clamoring for. After sleeping on it, I've resigned myself to 3 things 1) John Cena needs to break Flair's record on a bigger match at say a big 4 PPV. Not a throwaway designed to hype Wrestlemania. 2) The bigger dream match so to speak is Naka v. Styles for WWE 3) WWE doesn't think things logically, so neither 2 of the above things will happen. I think WWE waits until Mania sells out (or nearly sells out) before pulling the rug beneath us. We can't resell our tickets for the price we paid (if we got meh seats) and we're kind of just stuck with our travel plans by then. Hopefully getting on a plane again won't be for nothing. Even if let's say Cena DID win the WWE Title at Fastlane....wouldn't AJ Styles be entitled to a re-match at Mania making it a Triple Threat match between Cena, Nakamura and AJ? I don't see anyway for a straight up one on one AJ Styles vs. Rey Mysterio match at WrestleMania...unless WWE fudges the "rematch clause" thing again where AJ Styles will just "get a rematch at some point in the future whenever we get around to it, maybe never though" lol. Then AJ vs Mysterio is just randomly created and Cena goes on to defend against Nakamura? Plus, by winning the Royal Rumble, Shinsuke is just entitled to a title match, not a ONE ON ONE title match....happened to Batista at Mania 30 where he ended up getting a Triple Threat. The fact that it was revealed that AJ Styles has actually surpassed people like John Cena and Roman Reigns in merchandise sales leads me to believe that he's not dropping the belt any time soon, and he'd probably even retain it at Mania against Shinsuke because WWE doesn't like to shoot the golden goose if a person is drawing/selling. I say Cena loses at Fastlane and then comes out on whatever show that week all depressed and desperate, and THAT is where either Undertaker/Mysterio/Whoever will emerge as Cena's actual Mania opponent. I just hope it's not Jinder or Barron Corbin, lol. It's in Styles contract that he never gets a rematch for the WWE title. He didn't when he lost it at the Rumble last year to Cena (and I wouldn't count the Elimination Chamber as one). Andm the thing about Styles is that he has reached HBK status (Not the legendary status, just the status where he doesn't need a title match to be the main event). Styles does not need the title to be the main reasno people tune in. He's very similar to HBK in that regard. You had Mania matches involving HBK and Flair, Taker, and Jericho and they were show stealers and never needed the belt. Sadly, I think this does not bode well for AJ with news that Mysterios is signing. Had I not read that blurb, I'd agree. Styles walks into Mania as Champion. But, now. IDK. I'm a bit scared that I'll be sitting on my hands after the first match of Mania just like I did at 33.
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Post by marino13 on Feb 28, 2018 11:27:44 GMT -5
Honestly I hope they do have something else for Cena at WM. Taker needs to stay away before he tarnished his legacy anymore. Two WM loses is two too many. How has he tarnished his legacy? He's lost at WM twice now. His performances haven't been as good the last few years. And I just don't want him to suffer another loss at WM.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Feb 28, 2018 11:49:10 GMT -5
How has he tarnished his legacy? He's lost at WM twice now. His performances haven't been as good the last few years. And I just don't want him to suffer another loss at WM. If Taker comes back and performs as he did last year it won’t look very good. I believe if he hasn’t nixed the match like rumors are circulating, the surgery he had last year after Mania probably left him in better shape, and his performance will be much closer to years prior.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Feb 28, 2018 12:42:42 GMT -5
How has he tarnished his legacy? He's lost at WM twice now. His performances haven't been as good the last few years. And I just don't want him to suffer another loss at WM. I understand that, but how has any of that tarnished his legacy? Because he lost twice? Triple H has a losing WM record. Has he tarnished his legacy? Taker had a bad hip and the match suffered. So does that negate 25 years of greatness? I’ll never understand how anyone can logically say that his legacy is tarnished.
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Post by blissfan4life on Feb 28, 2018 12:44:14 GMT -5
Of course Cena Beats Styles clean. John Cena is a selfish piece of crap and buries people just to bury them, needs to go away and make babies with Nikki.
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Post by Arik Cannon on Feb 28, 2018 13:40:00 GMT -5
Styles will retain at fastLane and Cena will start to become desperate For a match at wrestlemania and start calling out the undertaker leading to Cena versus undertaker at wrestlemania 34. Week after week he will continually poke at the undertaker. Undertaker will keep saying he is done until Cena gets under his skin enough and accepts the match. This way it makes it look like undertaker didn’t want to come back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 14:23:05 GMT -5
Triple H has a losing WM record. Has he tarnished his legacy? Taker had a bad hip and the match suffered. So does that negate 25 years of greatness? I’ll never understand how anyone can logically say that his legacy is tarnished. Undertaker’s match with Cena this year would do nothing other than allow Taker to go out with a better showing than last year’s performance. That’s fine, but Undertaker’s future matches meant and would mean less because of the end of the streak. Roman gained nothing from his victory. Cena wouldn’t gain anything either. What’s worrisome is that, if Cena-Undertaker isn’t the set plan, WWE may not have faith in AJ as a world champion for Wrestlemania promotions. That’s upsetting for AJ fans. (Though an AJ “dream match” with Mysterio wouldn’t be a terrible consolation.)
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Post by BSR on Feb 28, 2018 14:46:52 GMT -5
Of course Cena Beats Styles clean. John Cena is a selfish piece of crap and buries people just to bury them, needs to go away and make babies with Nikki. AJ wasn't buried.
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Post by J12 on Feb 28, 2018 15:10:03 GMT -5
Fox executives were in the front row last night. Almost certainly a big reason they went with a high profile, long main event.
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Post by PJ on Feb 28, 2018 16:35:45 GMT -5
He's lost at WM twice now. His performances haven't been as good the last few years. And I just don't want him to suffer another loss at WM. I understand that, but how has any of that tarnished his legacy? Because he lost twice? Triple H has a losing WM record. Has he tarnished his legacy? Taker had a bad hip and the match suffered. So does that negate 25 years of greatness? I’ll never understand how anyone can logically say that his legacy is tarnished. Undertaker’s streak was a main part of the mystique and pageantry of WrestleMania. And seeing Undertaker win at WrestleMania was a big part of that mystique when they had him lose to Brock WrestleMania lost some of it’s magic. The second lose not only took away more of the magic of WrestleMania, but it also took away from Undertaker. Because now with two loses in the last few years he isn’t The Phenom the Undertaker he’s just like anyone else. Even if it was his idea to lose to Brock, Vince should have said no the streak should have never ended. He should have retired undefeated at WrestleMania.
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Post by marino13 on Feb 28, 2018 16:43:42 GMT -5
He's lost at WM twice now. His performances haven't been as good the last few years. And I just don't want him to suffer another loss at WM. I understand that, but how has any of that tarnished his legacy? Because he lost twice? Triple H has a losing WM record. Has he tarnished his legacy? Taker had a bad hip and the match suffered. So does that negate 25 years of greatness? I’ll never understand how anyone can logically say that his legacy is tarnished. Because he's not delivering like he used to. Each year his matches become slower and he doesn't look like the Phenom anymore. By continuing he's going to lose his appeal. Sometimes it's better to go out while still on top. Plus the symbolism of leaving his hat and coat behind was a nice send off. If he returns and does it again, it's not going to mean nearly as much.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Feb 28, 2018 17:29:08 GMT -5
Why did The Usos say they’ve never been on WrestleMania?
They were on the Kickoff matches for WrestleMania XXVII, XXVIII, XXX, 31, 32 and 33. If someone like Austin Aries has had a “WrestleMania match”, then The Usos have had lots.
Also safe to say that next week’s main event will be Baron Corbin, Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens vs. Dolph Ziggler, AJ Styles and John Cena. Oddly enough, that’s a 6-Man I can get behind.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Feb 28, 2018 19:35:15 GMT -5
I understand that, but how has any of that tarnished his legacy? Because he lost twice? Triple H has a losing WM record. Has he tarnished his legacy? Taker had a bad hip and the match suffered. So does that negate 25 years of greatness? I’ll never understand how anyone can logically say that his legacy is tarnished. Undertaker’s streak was a main part of the mystique and pageantry of WrestleMania. And seeing Undertaker win at WrestleMania was a big part of that mystique when they had him lose to Brock WrestleMania lost some of it’s magic. The second lose not only took away more of the magic of WrestleMania, but it also took away from Undertaker. Because now with two loses in the last few years he isn’t The Phenom the Undertaker he’s just like anyone else. Even if it was his idea to lose to Brock, Vince should have said no the streak should have never ended. He should have retired undefeated at WrestleMania. As an Undertaker fan, I believe that he should have retired undefeated. Where it be 20-0 or 27-0. Always ending it 0. He’s lost twice now. He is over 50 and has wrestled maybe 10 matches in 4-5 years. He will always be the Undertaker and no one will ever come close to 21 wins at Mania but if the man wants to go out better than what he did last year, who is anyone to say he’s tarnished his legacy already and shouldn’t wrestle? 25+ years of a great who not only got better as he got older and ending up having multiple classics, but arguably the greatest character of all time..... And it’s to the point to where a concussion and a bad match resulting in the streak being broken and a loss to Reigns when he could barely move somehow hide the fact he was 21-0 and was the Phenom. 2 Bad matches don’t tarnish anything.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Feb 28, 2018 21:28:40 GMT -5
Fox executives were in the front row last night. Almost certainly a big reason they went with a high profile, long main event. As well as Colin "all wrestling fans over the age of 12 are booger eaters" Cowherd.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Feb 28, 2018 21:32:27 GMT -5
Fox executives were in the front row last night. Almost certainly a big reason they went with a high profile, long main event. As well as Colin "all wrestling fans over the age of 12 are booger eaters" Cowherd. Colin “there’s no chance that Brady and the Patriots will lose to the Eagles” Cowherd. No joke, I wanna meet that guy JUST so I can spit right in his face.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Feb 28, 2018 22:19:00 GMT -5
As well as Colin "all wrestling fans over the age of 12 are booger eaters" Cowherd. Colin “there’s no chance that Brady and the Patriots will lose to the Eagles” Cowherd. No joke, I wanna meet that guy JUST so I can spit right in his face. I do like listening to the guy sometimes, but he seems like a major frontrunner and an elitist, and carries such a condescending attitude towards anybody or anything he doesn't understand or like. He was on the show today personally trying to dissuade Gronk from retiring from football (or perhaps only from abandoning the Pats) to pursue a wrestling career. Going on about how hard and unglamorous a life many pro wrestlers lead, with no time off and only the very top guys make good money. Like Rob would actually start from square one in WWE and seek to make a new living without the money he's made thus far in his life. Colin was saying that the WWE doesn't need Gronk, and I was thinking, "Why doesn't he tell Vince McMahon that? Vince is likely one of Gronkowski's biggest supporters." He was actually running Gronk down, saying Brady and the Patriots made him and he essentially won't be anything without them. I bet if a player from the Cleveland Browns were in the same situation, Cowherd would say it's proof of how inept Cleveland's organization is.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Mar 1, 2018 17:10:01 GMT -5
Really enjoyed this week's SmackDown. Felt like the SD Live of old again. Fun show.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Mar 2, 2018 20:53:32 GMT -5
Of course Cena Beats Styles clean. John Cena is a selfish piece of crap and buries people just to bury them, needs to go away and make babies with Nikki. AJ will never recover from this brutal BURIAL, he needs to walk out of WWE and go to the indies where he won't be BURIED and he can wrestle real matches with real opponents who won't just BURY him.
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