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Post by drifter on Feb 28, 2018 1:30:06 GMT -5
The desperation to get Roman over is sad. It's not like he's this charismatic entertainer in the same vein as John Cena. He's a great workhorse imo, good ring performer with solid intensity. He's good, on a lot of nights damn good, but he has the personality of a cardboard box compared to the elite entertainers. It would be so much easier to go with the white hot Braun and the organic push. And the thing that's hard to figure out, is why wouldn't they? It's not like when Bryan got over, and it was obvious Vince didn't want to push a guy, his size, but Braun is a monster, he's the size, that Vince usually loves. Yet they continue to have him be the monster after a match, when he looses.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Feb 28, 2018 2:16:25 GMT -5
Man, I don't get this forum at times. Just a few years ago, people were all over lesnar... Now they're against him and want him to leave. I personally liked the Roman promo, I just want the writers to let Roman be himself and let him do his own promos because I truly believe that's what's holding him back a bit. His promos are forced and unnatural ala John Cena clone... If Roman has to be a cocky bunghole then let him be that, doesn't mean he can't be a face and a badass.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 28, 2018 7:17:38 GMT -5
Man, I don't get this forum at times. Just a few years ago, people were all over lesnar... Now they're against him and want him to leave. I personally liked the Roman promo, I just want the writers to let Roman be himself and let him do his own promos because I truly believe that's what's holding him back a bit. His promos are forced and unnatural ala John Cena clone... If Roman has to be a cocky bunghole then let him be that, doesn't mean he can't be a face and a badass. This forum has tens of thousands of members. We aren't a hive-mind. Some people still want him around. Personally, I think it's time for him to go. He's stale and there is no way he is a big enough draw to justify his ridiculous contract.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 28, 2018 9:24:38 GMT -5
This is just a weak attempt by the WWE to try and get the fans to turn on Brock and cheer for Roman because they want you to think Brock is leaving.
Brock, in all likely-hood is NOT leaving. He will likely re-sign with WWE under the same deal he's had for the last 3 years which will allow him to fight for UFC at the same time he is in WWE if he wants to.
Brock is not a stupid person and I think he realizes that he does maybe one or two UFC fights over the course of the next 3 years and those will probably make him one to two million PER fight, why not also re-sign with WWE and get three to five million per year AT THE SAME TIME he's working this VERY part time WWE schedule.
Brock is also 40 years old and probably knows he doesn't have much left in the tank in regards to UFC, considering that is actual fighting and you can get very badly hurt. Like I said, he's got one, maybe two fights tops left in him...plus, let's not forget he had to take STEROIDS to do his last fight 2 years ago.
Like I said, weak and predictable attempt to get the fans to turn on Lesnar and try and make them cheer Roman because Roman is supposed to be "the guy", but it's not been working out for the last 3 years.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Feb 28, 2018 9:43:42 GMT -5
100% work. This is the same promo we heard during Brock’s feuds with Cena and Orton. The only person who legit called Brock out for this was Ambrose on the Stone Cold podcast. They want Roman over. They know he gets booed out of buildings. Having Roman call out the part-timer for “no-showing” is there way of trying to get fans behind him as somewhat of a “people’s champ.” I do think it’s funny he said Brock was entitled, yet went on to say that his family is this business...Thought the exact same thing. And he wants to talk about this business being in his blood, but it's funny how it didn't seem to call to him, until he failed out of both the NFL and CFL. That’s not really fair, honestly. Look at Taker who is one of the greatest of all time and how he got into wrestling. He was going to go play basketball overseas and was talked into getting into wrestling. I’m not a huge fan of wrestlers getting bashed because they didn’t dream of doing it since they were kids or something.
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Post by drifter on Feb 28, 2018 13:06:52 GMT -5
Thought the exact same thing. And he wants to talk about this business being in his blood, but it's funny how it didn't seem to call to him, until he failed out of both the NFL and CFL. That’s not really fair, honestly. Look at Taker who is one of the greatest of all time and how he got into wrestling. He was going to go play basketball overseas and was talked into getting into wrestling. I’m not a huge fan of wrestlers getting bashed because they didn’t dream of doing it since they were kids or something. I have no fault to a wrestler, that didn't first choose wrestling, there's a lot of them, but when Reigns wants to use, his family being in the business, and act like he's the defender of it, because of that, and that it was always what he wanted to do, when clearly it wasn't, he only came into it, after he failed at being a star football player, it makes me laugh.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Feb 28, 2018 13:08:35 GMT -5
That’s not really fair, honestly. Look at Taker who is one of the greatest of all time and how he got into wrestling. He was going to go play basketball overseas and was talked into getting into wrestling. I’m not a huge fan of wrestlers getting bashed because they didn’t dream of doing it since they were kids or something. I have no fault to a wrestler, that didn't first choose wrestling, there's a lot of them, but when Reigns wants to use, his family being in the business, and act like he's the defender of it, because of that, and that it was always what he wanted to do, when clearly it wasn't, he only came into it, after he failed at being a star football player, it makes me laugh. Understandable
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Feb 28, 2018 13:46:57 GMT -5
Man, I don't get this forum at times. Just a few years ago, people were all over lesnar... Now they're against him and want him to leave. I personally liked the Roman promo, I just want the writers to let Roman be himself and let him do his own promos because I truly believe that's what's holding him back a bit. His promos are forced and unnatural ala John Cena clone... If Roman has to be a cocky bunghole then let him be that, doesn't mean he can't be a face and a badass. This forum has tens of thousands of members. We aren't a hive-mind. Some people still want him around. Personally, I think it's time for him to go. He's stale and there is no way he is a big enough draw to justify his ridiculous contract. I was speaking in general for those that share their opinion. It's usually the same mindset most of the time, we want this person to have the championship then when it happens it becomes stale or they turn against them. I'm not going to disagree and say Lesnar hasn't been stale since like the last three years, I got bored of him after his fourth match back. The issue with Lesnar is how repetitive his matches are, it's the same German suplex match after match. That and the fact that he's not at the shows often. They should keep Brock for when they need him, but his style of matches need to change up a bit to keep things fresh. Hopefully Brock vs Roman delivers, I thought the last one was okay. Let Roman get some offense maybe even reverse an f5 into a superman punch. I felt that the last match Lesnar just scraped the floor with Reigns. it might also be Brock that's not willing to take a bump, I remember hearing that Dean had some cool spots, but Brock wasn't willing to take them.
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Post by Cane Dewey Riley on Feb 28, 2018 14:00:39 GMT -5
He didn't show up like he was supposed to and now I don't like him anymore and will be forced to cheer Roman Reigns just because of how much I don't like Brock Lesnar!
... is what WWE wants fans to say after this blatant attempt at a work.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 1, 2018 8:38:47 GMT -5
According to new reports, Brock Lesnar didn't show up because he's already over the amount of dates on his current contract. He's actually worked MORE for WWE than contractually obligated. So really, it's WWE's fault. They knew how many dates they had him, and maybe they should learn to count a little more carefully before they waste so many appearances on him just coming out and standing there at other points in the year and make sure you save enough for WrestleMania season.
People crap on Brock, but he's just following the contract. It's not Brock's fault that he's got such a sweet contract. Nobody held a gun to WWE's head and forced them to give him all these perks. WWE gave him this deal, WWE went over the agreed upon dates, Brock Lesnar is in no way shape or form obligated to show up anymore if he does not want to.
I hope Brock demands a fortune to get him to show up to lose the Title to Reigns at WrestleMania. And I hope IF Brock appears on RAW at any point between now and WrestleMania that he also demands a fortune for those appearances as well.
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Post by JL24FPS on Mar 1, 2018 9:57:04 GMT -5
The only reason I'm completely over Brock is because he DID not need that title in his match with Goldberg last year, and the fact that he STOLE that belt away from Raw and shows up once every few months to have 10 minute matches, is absolutely disgusting. That title means absolutely nothing anymore. I firmly believe Brock doesn't care. So it was refreshing for Roman to have a GOOD promo talking about, what probably is, the truth. I'm sure Brock was asked to take the night off, but still. I'll take Roman Reigns as champion to get "the title" back on Raw. Maybe someone worthwhile will win it over the next year.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 1, 2018 10:27:20 GMT -5
The only reason I'm completely over Brock is because he DID not need that title in his match with Goldberg last year, and the fact that he STOLE that belt away from Raw and shows up once every few months to have 10 minute matches, is absolutely disgusting. That title means absolutely nothing anymore. I firmly believe Brock doesn't care. So it was refreshing for Roman to have a GOOD promo talking about, what probably is, the truth. I'm sure Brock was asked to take the night off, but still. I'll take Roman Reigns as champion to get "the title" back on Raw. Maybe someone worthwhile will win it over the next year. Again, I don't know why you are blaming Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar did not walk into the arena, pick up the WWE Universal Title and walk away with it. The WWE put the belt on him and already had decided that he would be champion for a year for the sole purpose of them trying to create a significant moment when Roman Reigns beats him at WrestleMania. Reigns is going to "slay the beast". Brock has only lost, I believe, 4 matches since coming back to WWE in 2012. Cena - Extreme Rules 2012 Triple H - WrestleMania 29 Undertaker - SummerSlam 2015 Goldberg - Survivor Series 2016 So again....I really wouldn't blame Brock. I blame the WWE. Brock Lesnar only has the belt and he's only had it as long as he has because the payoff is Roman Reigns being the one to finally beat him for it. And let's not forget...this was the plan at WrestleMania 31 also. The only reason John Cena got brutalized and Lesnar became WWE Champion was because the coronation of Roman Reigns was supposed to occur at WrestleMania 31, but Roman Reigns was perceived as not being ready, hence the Seth Rollins cash in. Everything WWE does revolves around Roman Reigns....even what other people are doing.
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Post by JL24FPS on Mar 1, 2018 10:32:08 GMT -5
The only reason I'm completely over Brock is because he DID not need that title in his match with Goldberg last year, and the fact that he STOLE that belt away from Raw and shows up once every few months to have 10 minute matches, is absolutely disgusting. That title means absolutely nothing anymore. I firmly believe Brock doesn't care. So it was refreshing for Roman to have a GOOD promo talking about, what probably is, the truth. I'm sure Brock was asked to take the night off, but still. I'll take Roman Reigns as champion to get "the title" back on Raw. Maybe someone worthwhile will win it over the next year. Again, I don't know why you are blaming Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar did not walk into the arena, pick up the WWE Universal Title and walk away with it. The WWE put the belt on him and already had decided that he would be champion for a year for the sole purpose of them trying to create a significant moment when Roman Reigns beats him at WrestleMania. Reigns is going to "slay the beast". Brock has only lost, I believe, 4 matches since coming back to WWE in 2012. Cena - Extreme Rules 2012 Triple H - WrestleMania 29 Undertaker - SummerSlam 2015 Goldberg - Survivor Series 2016 So again....I really wouldn't blame Brock. I blame the WWE. Brock Lesnar only has the belt and he's only had it as long as he has because the payoff is Roman Reigns being the one to finally beat him for it. And let's not forget...this was the plan at WrestleMania 31 also. The only reason John Cena got brutalized and Lesnar became WWE Champion was because the coronation of Roman Reigns was supposed to occur at WrestleMania 31, but Roman Reigns was perceived as not being ready, hence the Seth Rollins cash in. Everything WWE does revolves around Roman Reigns....even what other people are doing. Oh I understand that. I'm just saying Brock doesn't care about putting in any effort anymore. He's getting paid millions regardless. I'm mad at creative for KNOWINGLY doing that. It's pathetic. I'm just over Brock at this point in the game.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 1, 2018 10:42:27 GMT -5
Again, I don't know why you are blaming Brock Lesnar. Brock Lesnar did not walk into the arena, pick up the WWE Universal Title and walk away with it. The WWE put the belt on him and already had decided that he would be champion for a year for the sole purpose of them trying to create a significant moment when Roman Reigns beats him at WrestleMania. Reigns is going to "slay the beast". Brock has only lost, I believe, 4 matches since coming back to WWE in 2012. Cena - Extreme Rules 2012 Triple H - WrestleMania 29 Undertaker - SummerSlam 2015 Goldberg - Survivor Series 2016 So again....I really wouldn't blame Brock. I blame the WWE. Brock Lesnar only has the belt and he's only had it as long as he has because the payoff is Roman Reigns being the one to finally beat him for it. And let's not forget...this was the plan at WrestleMania 31 also. The only reason John Cena got brutalized and Lesnar became WWE Champion was because the coronation of Roman Reigns was supposed to occur at WrestleMania 31, but Roman Reigns was perceived as not being ready, hence the Seth Rollins cash in. Everything WWE does revolves around Roman Reigns....even what other people are doing. Oh I understand that. I'm just saying Brock doesn't care about putting in any effort anymore. He's getting paid millions regardless. I'm mad at creative for KNOWINGLY doing that. It's pathetic. I'm just over Brock at this point in the game. It is what it is. Roman Reigns is the endgame for WWE. In order for his win to mean something, the person he's beating needs to appear bulletproof. Reigns winning the title from somebody he's already beaten or somebody who has lost many many matches does not make for a significant historical "WrestleMania Moment". Brock and Reigns have both beaten Undertaker at WrestleMania, and both beaten John Cena. I think if they could have gotten The Rock to comeback they'd have had Reigns beat him too.... I know it's aggravating. I know it sucks not having a Champion on RAW...but it'll all be over in 38 days and then you'll probably see more of the Universal Title and champion than you can stomach.
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Post by King Richius on Mar 1, 2018 11:23:41 GMT -5
Oh I understand that. I'm just saying Brock doesn't care about putting in any effort anymore. He's getting paid millions regardless. I'm mad at creative for KNOWINGLY doing that. It's pathetic. I'm just over Brock at this point in the game. I'm going to come to Brock's defense... just a little at least. As I said before, he isn't in the WWE out of a love for the business or the fame of being a professional wrestler. The dude has one goal in mind - make money. That's why I said he may be the most professional wrestler in the WWE - he shows up (when he gets paid), does exactly what is asked of him, and leaves. There are no personal feelings involved to influence his behavior. This isn't just my opinion. Mick Foley said as much in one of his spoken word specials when he explained why Brock was the perfect man to end Taker's WM Streak. The result has been some bad or at the least boring matches but at the same time when his opponent challenges him he can have a really good match. I hold up CM Punk and AJ styles as examples of people who got really good matches out of Brock. Even the five minute WM match with Goldberg did what it had to do and entertained me. The one time there were rumors that he didn't want to do something was the match against Dean Ambrose. It was never clear to me though if it was Brock or management that objected to Brock participating in potentially dangerous spots that could result in their perceived cash cow getting injured. Dean has his opinion but it is obviously biased. Brock has never spoken out about it... and probably never will. Bottom line: expectations should be different for Brock because he isn't the normal superstar. It's incumbent on the writers to keep him interesting and his opponents to bring out the best in him. Should he be the Universal Champion? Probably not. The top title on Raw needs to be on screen regularly, the center of attention, the main event of almost every PPV. Should he go away? Probably not. His name draws attention and he adds something to the product. It's up to his opponents to challenge him to produce a good match, not a cookie cutter suplex city rinse and repeat match.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Mar 1, 2018 11:24:07 GMT -5
WWE is working the same Cena vs rock angle with Roman and Brock. Oh he’s never here blah blah. Just another recycled pile of junk. I think Brock was advertised for a MSG house show in the middle of March and I know card subject to change but WWE has to know how many dates Brock has left. No way is he out of dates. He may only have a handful and they don’t see a point in. Ringing him in because it doesn’t fit the storyline. It’s funny Roman tries to blame Brock for the contract he signed like 90% of people wouldn’t have signed it.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Mar 1, 2018 17:13:21 GMT -5
Don't be silly. Of course he didn't. It was blatant false advertising by WWE and a way for them to try and get Roman cheered heading into the bout. It was a decent promo but I cringed at him trying to act like he was deviating from the script and saying things that he wasn't allowed to say. It was scripted beyond belief.
And no matter how hard they try, it'll be all for nothing when they get to the Silverdome. That crowd is going to eat Reigns alive.
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 1, 2018 17:17:42 GMT -5
Brock is apparently wrestling Saturday night in Chicago. Seems pretty damn weird to me. I understand wanting to get Brock heel heat against Reigns but what purpose does a house show match serve right now? Unless he doesn’t show up to that, either and that’s the new gimmick.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Mar 1, 2018 21:05:00 GMT -5
Man I really hope this steroid scandal ruins everything for this company and buried Reigns. The sheer stubbornness and stupidity of McMahon makes him so easy to root against.
I remember thing WCW was awful from 00-01, but modern WWE has so much of the same garbage going on. Plenty of talent, but the booking, and disregard for the fanbase is terrible.
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Post by Angel Beast on Mar 1, 2018 21:17:22 GMT -5
Man I really hope this steroid scandal ruins everything for this company and buried Reigns. The sheer stubbornness and stupidity of McMahon makes him so easy to root against. I remember thing WCW was awful from 00-01, but modern WWE has so much of the same garbage going on. Plenty of talent, but the booking, and disregard for the fanbase is terrible. Seriously? Look I can’t stand Reigns and the companiy’s desire for him to be the guy but I wouldn’t want to see the company get ruined and guys lose their jobs because the guy I dislike is getting pushed to the moon.
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