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Post by Thought Collector on Jun 5, 2018 11:19:43 GMT -5
Yeah, pretty much purple Undertaker really was the only Hasbro era guy we got. So many mis-steps with this line. Your going to make a Hasbro like line, and alienate the Hasbro collectors!? Warrior-with all the attires he's worn, they go with basically the same as the his first Hasbro. Goldberg-went with modern WWE version and made a really bad looking figure too. I'm happy with some of the others like all of Wave 2, Flair and Macho. Even then, with all the attires to choose for Macho, they do black and white NWO. And Flair is more of his 80's look and not really the mid 90's WCW or early 90's WWF runs most Hasbro fans would be familiar with. But, so much more they could have done with actual Hasbro era guys. Instead they turned focus to current roster and jacked up the price. I think with inflation, the $10 price point is around what Hasbros would probably been at in current day. But, even then, I'd say this line is a notch below in quality. From the lack of detail on the figures to the flimsy packaging. Just hope there's some hope IF we ever see another slew of prototypes. Really wish Bill could come back to the line, or at least someone that has some idea what Hasbro fans actually want. NWO Randy Savage, Modern Shawn So many mis steps with this line that I lost interest. The Attitude Era wave was cool but unneccessary. They could have easily been like Surfer Sting and 95 Hunter Hearst Helmsley to fit the time but they didn't seem interested in catering to the built in fanbase... Weird business move. The only one I really care about now is the purple Undertaker. I bought all of wave 2 and Warrior/Undertaker but if I don't pick up Flair or NWO Savage then I'm not really that fussed. If nothing else, for collectors wanting something resembling a post green carded era they could have at least given us a classic look Goldust in one of the line-ups after Series 3. And he is on the current freaking roster which gives them an even greater excuse to do so. Heck, they could have given us classic and then a repaint down the line in his current look. For me personally New Day are probably at the absolute bottom of my list for current roster I would be interested in. Sadly Series 2 looks like it was the crowing achievement for this line and it looks like I may never see that one on shelves in my area at all again lol.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jun 5, 2018 21:49:37 GMT -5
They made a line dedicated to nostalgia and forgot to actually cater to the built in market of hasbro fans. Exactly. "Let's make a retro line that will mostly appeal to older fans and Hasbro collectors... then mainly just fill it with the current roster"
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Post by whossideareyouon on Jun 6, 2018 3:24:58 GMT -5
Echo the last few posts completely.
Mattel messed up big time with this.
Could have been great. Such a shame.
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Post by atimmo on Jun 6, 2018 3:54:18 GMT -5
This line can easily be saved.
Unfortunately, older collectors only account for a very small proportion of everyone who buys figures, and Hasbro collectors an even smaller proportion.
So appealing to Hasbro collectors only would not have been sustainable. I fully understand why they went for current roster mainly and attitude era as this is still the era that sells the most in terms of merchandise (excluding current).
All Mattel needs to do is adjust the ratio a little, have at least one, but ideally two, classic guys in each wave, and make each wave 5 figures.
And to really spark interest in the line go with figures who fill the gaps, such as Tugboat, Diesel, Hunter, Pink and Black Jim Neidhart, Barbarian, Bobby Heenan, Liz, Vince, Mean Gene, etc. These mixed in with current roster figures will bring the line to life I believe.
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Post by nywild3 on Jun 6, 2018 5:33:03 GMT -5
This line can easily be saved. Unfortunately, older collectors only account for a very small proportion of everyone who buys figures, and Hasbro collectors an even smaller proportion. So appealing to Hasbro collectors only would not have been sustainable. I fully understand why they went for current roster mainly and attitude era as this is still the era that sells the most in terms of merchandise (excluding current). All Mattel needs to do is adjust the ratio a little, have at least one, but ideally two, classic guys in each wave, and make each wave 5 figures. And to really spark interest in the line go with figures who fill the gaps, such as Tugboat, Diesel, Hunter, Pink and Black Jim Neidhart, Barbarian, Bobby Heenan, Liz, Vince, Mean Gene, etc. These mixed in with current roster figures will bring the line to life I believe. great post. I totally agree. Mattel knows what Hasbro fans want but I think what Hasbro fans want most of all is for this line to continue long enough to get all the figures we want. Can’t do that withour appealing to current fans and collectors. As far as the ration, I don’t look at current and non current. I look at legends vs non legends. Out of the 32 confirmed Retros, I count 17 legends out of 32. I’ll take that ratio going forward without question. My 16 legends are Brock, Cena, Taker, Warrior, all 6 in series 2, Goldberg, Flair, Sting Wolfpack, Jericho, Angle, Savage and Michaels.
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Post by MKSavage on Jun 6, 2018 8:04:55 GMT -5
This line can easily be saved. Unfortunately, older collectors only account for a very small proportion of everyone who buys figures, and Hasbro collectors an even smaller proportion. So appealing to Hasbro collectors only would not have been sustainable. I fully understand why they went for current roster mainly and attitude era as this is still the era that sells the most in terms of merchandise (excluding current). All Mattel needs to do is adjust the ratio a little, have at least one, but ideally two, classic guys in each wave, and make each wave 5 figures. And to really spark interest in the line go with figures who fill the gaps, such as Tugboat, Diesel, Hunter, Pink and Black Jim Neidhart, Barbarian, Bobby Heenan, Liz, Vince, Mean Gene, etc. These mixed in with current roster figures will bring the line to life I believe. great post. I totally agree. Mattel knows what Hasbro fans want but I think what Hasbro fans want most of all is for this line to continue long enough to get all the figures we want. Can’t do that withour appealing to current fans and collectors. As far as the ration, I don’t look at current and non current. I look at legends vs non legends. Out of the 32 confirmed Retros, I count 17 legends out of 32. I’ll take that ratio going forward without question. My 16 legends are Brock, Cena, Taker, Warrior, all 6 in series 2, Goldberg, Flair, Sting Wolfpack, Jericho, Angle, Savage and Michaels. I get where you are coming from with legends vs non-legends but I'd take Brock, Cena and Jericho out of the legends group because they made them the way they look today look instead of flashback looks. Can probably throw Goldberg in that mix as well since it was 2017 Goldberg and not 1998-2004 Goldberg. I don't mind the addition of current roster guys, since I don't buy them anyway it helps me save a lot of money, but I would like to see more guys from around the Hasbro era years (1989-1995) that didn't get a figure made or a figure that could have been in a different attire (like neidhart and hammer). I think Mattel shot themselves in the foot by upping the price when they added the stands, if these were $7-9 I could see more parents buying these over basics to save money. But now, since they are as much or more than basics, I don't see a lot of parents picking these up over basics. I thought series 6 was the best, all legends...
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Post by SteveHulk on Jun 6, 2018 16:45:15 GMT -5
Unfortunately, older collectors only account for a very small proportion of everyone who buys figures, and Hasbro collectors an even smaller proportion. What/who is the market for these Retro figures though? Mattel knows that there's a fanbase of older fans and Hasbro collectors who like them... are they popular to the kids of today though? Will kids (and parents) really want Retro figures of the current roster, when cheaper, better looking Basics are available? All Mattel needs to do is adjust the ratio a little, have at least one, but ideally two, classic guys in each wave, and make each wave 5 figures. I like that idea - or 6 figures per wave (like the first two series) and have 4 current, 2 legends... maybe even have the legends on a different color card-back to the others too(?). I look at legends vs non legends. Out of the 32 confirmed Retros, I count 17 legends out of 32. I’ll take that ratio going forward without question. My 16 legends are Brock, Cena, Taker, Warrior, all 6 in series 2, Goldberg, Flair, Sting Wolfpack, Jericho, Angle, Savage and Michaels. 10 of those 17 were in the first two series though - so that leaves 7 legends across five waves... 1 of them (Sting) is a repaint and 3 of them (Goldberg, Jericho and HBK) are all modern versions. Sorry if it sounds so negative... I'm just disappointed with the way this line has turned out after the (great) first two series.
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Post by nywild3 on Jun 6, 2018 19:10:23 GMT -5
Unfortunately, older collectors only account for a very small proportion of everyone who buys figures, and Hasbro collectors an even smaller proportion. What/who is the market for these Retro figures though? Mattel knows that there's a fanbase of older fans and Hasbro collectors who like them... are they popular to the kids of today though? Will kids (and parents) really want Retro figures of the current roster, when cheaper, better looking Basics are available? All Mattel needs to do is adjust the ratio a little, have at least one, but ideally two, classic guys in each wave, and make each wave 5 figures. I like that idea - or 6 figures per wave (like the first two series) and have 4 current, 2 legends... maybe even have the legends on a different color card-back to the others too(?). I look at legends vs non legends. Out of the 32 confirmed Retros, I count 17 legends out of 32. I’ll take that ratio going forward without question. My 16 legends are Brock, Cena, Taker, Warrior, all 6 in series 2, Goldberg, Flair, Sting Wolfpack, Jericho, Angle, Savage and Michaels. 10 of those 17 were in the first two series though - so that leaves 7 legends across five waves... 1 of them (Sting) is a repaint and 3 of them (Goldberg, Jericho and HBK) are all modern versions. Sorry if it sounds so negative... I'm just disappointed with the way this line has turned out after the (great) first two series. Series 2 is definitely my favorite but I think my 2nd favorite is going to be series 7 and I haven’t even see the figures yet. As a Hasbro collector, Jericho and Angle are must have figured no matter the era. I won’t know how I feel about Shawn until I see him though. Series one was pretty cool but the Warrior was a waste, same colors as Hasbro 1.
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Jun 7, 2018 0:03:45 GMT -5
I look at legends vs non legends. Out of the 32 confirmed Retros, I count 17 legends out of 32. I’ll take that ratio going forward without question. My 16 legends are Brock, Cena, Taker, Warrior, all 6 in series 2, Goldberg, Flair, Sting Wolfpack, Jericho, Angle, Savage and Michaels. 10 of those 17 were in the first two series though - so that leaves 7 legends across five waves... 1 of them (Sting) is a repaint and 3 of them (Goldberg, Jericho and HBK) are all modern versions. Sorry if it sounds so negative... I'm just disappointed with the way this line has turned out after the (great) first two series.[/quote] Feel exactly the same. Don't care about chaps HBK, or modern Jericho. Goldberg at least doesn't look too different from his mid 90's run aside the grey hair. I got so excited when I first heard of this line and got hopes way up, just to see it nose-dive after the 2nd wave.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 9:26:01 GMT -5
I think it arguably nosedived after series 1. We got 2 hasbro era legends in that wave so it seemed like the legends side would cater to that set of fans. Even if one of them was a really stupid Warrior attire choice. Purple Undertaker was quite the dream for me as a kid. We've had absolutely NOTHING since then...
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Post by Lyle_The_Intern on Jun 7, 2018 12:58:49 GMT -5
I love this line much more than everyone else seems to and genuinely enjoy all the new guys, despite hating the current product. I do think they should mix in more 80's and early 90's, though.
I am a bit concerned that any momentum this line has is dying. I sadly now believe this damn line is going to die before we even get a Diesel or Haku or Tugboat or any of the figures that should've been givens.
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Post by nachodba on Jun 7, 2018 14:09:57 GMT -5
I love this line much more than everyone else seems to and genuinely enjoy all the new guys, despite hating the current product. This is my favorite line now. So much that I might stop collecting elites if it can continue. I’ve always wanted to get in on a line at the beginning and this was a great opportunity.
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Post by RIT_Tyger on Jun 8, 2018 8:49:57 GMT -5
Is Brickseek the best place to keep tabs on if Target or Walmart stock these? And this thread? I saw someone throw out Gamestop as an option. Has a date been communicated?
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Post by showbizpizzabear81 on Jun 9, 2018 8:42:03 GMT -5
What/who is the market for these Retro figures though? Mattel knows that there's a fanbase of older fans and Hasbro collectors who like them... are they popular to the kids of today though? Will kids (and parents) really want Retro figures of the current roster, when cheaper, better looking Basics are available? I like that idea - or 6 figures per wave (like the first two series) and have 4 current, 2 legends... maybe even have the legends on a different color card-back to the others too(?). 10 of those 17 were in the first two series though - so that leaves 7 legends across five waves... 1 of them (Sting) is a repaint and 3 of them (Goldberg, Jericho and HBK) are all modern versions. Sorry if it sounds so negative... I'm just disappointed with the way this line has turned out after the (great) first two series. Series 2 is definitely my favorite but I think my 2nd favorite is going to be series 7 and I haven’t even see the figures yet. As a Hasbro collector, Jericho and Angle are must have figured no matter the era. I won’t know how I feel about Shawn until I see him though. Series one was pretty cool but the Warrior was a waste, same colors as Hasbro 1. Agreed on your last sentence. I believe, if you can't do better than what you are trying to replicate, dont do it. I'd gladly take a blue/white WM4 or orange/yellow/black WM5 just for originality.
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Post by showbizpizzabear81 on Jun 9, 2018 8:44:16 GMT -5
I look at legends vs non legends. Out of the 32 confirmed Retros, I count 17 legends out of 32. I’ll take that ratio going forward without question. My 16 legends are Brock, Cena, Taker, Warrior, all 6 in series 2, Goldberg, Flair, Sting Wolfpack, Jericho, Angle, Savage and Michaels. 10 of those 17 were in the first two series though - so that leaves 7 legends across five waves... 1 of them (Sting) is a repaint and 3 of them (Goldberg, Jericho and HBK) are all modern versions. Sorry if it sounds so negative... I'm just disappointed with the way this line has turned out after the (great) first two series. Feel exactly the same. Don't care about chaps HBK, or modern Jericho. Goldberg at least doesn't look too different from his mid 90's run aside the grey hair. I got so excited when I first heard of this line and got hopes way up, just to see it nose-dive after the 2nd wave. [/quote] Maybe this is a Doc Brown/BTTF3 deal...maybe we are just meant to go back to right the wrong and get Diesel, then when we get back home we destroy the time machine. "It has caused nothing but...disaster."
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Post by nywild3 on Jun 9, 2018 19:28:04 GMT -5
10 of those 17 were in the first two series though - so that leaves 7 legends across five waves... 1 of them (Sting) is a repaint and 3 of them (Goldberg, Jericho and HBK) are all modern versions. Sorry if it sounds so negative... I'm just disappointed with the way this line has turned out after the (great) first two series. Feel exactly the same. Don't care about chaps HBK, or modern Jericho. Goldberg at least doesn't look too different from his mid 90's run aside the grey hair. I got so excited when I first heard of this line and got hopes way up, just to see it nose-dive after the 2nd wave. Maybe this is a Doc Brown/BTTF3 deal...maybe we are just meant to go back to right the wrong and get Diesel, then when we get back home we destroy the time machine. "It has caused nothing but...disaster."[/quote] BTTF is my favorite movie. Thanks for combining Retros and BTTF. Made my day.
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Post by TheRockers on Jun 10, 2018 22:31:50 GMT -5
I personally don't think the line is in any kind of trouble. I mean we only have 3 series out in stores. 4 & 5 are yet to hit.
Series 1 was a massive success. They were sold out so fast at my local Walmart. Would restock quick and would be gone again within days.
Series 2 is a fantastic lineup but I don't know what happened here. I did manage to get them at Walmart but they were in stores for a very limited time.
Series 3 hit Gamestop first and were pretty hard to find until Target starting getting them, they been out for 7 months so its no surprise they a warming shelfs now.
So this is it, this is what we have in stores so far. The price jump for the stupid app and the delay to get series 4 has just made things a bit stagnant. If you order from Ringside things are picking up but I just hope we can get a better release system in 2019.
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Post by whossideareyouon on Jun 11, 2018 9:55:19 GMT -5
I personally don't think the line is in any kind of trouble. I mean we only have 3 series out in stores. 4 & 5 are yet to hit. In the UK I'd say it is...the line has been dropped by Smyths (without doubt the largest retailer), and no other major retailer will be stocking them it looks like. Even the smaller retailers are not stocking the new waves it seems based on information they have given out. They're not even available as of yet from Mattel themselves for smaller shops. It doesn't look good for UK.
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Post by @WWERetroStars on Jun 12, 2018 20:27:38 GMT -5
Thinking about it, I got my money on this crop making up the bulk of Series 8. These seem like the major glaring omissions to the line as you look at the present day product along with the lineups from Series 1-7.
The Miz Samoa Joe Matt Hardy Rusev
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Post by showbizpizzabear81 on Jun 13, 2018 5:43:25 GMT -5
Feel exactly the same. Don't care about chaps HBK, or modern Jericho. Goldberg at least doesn't look too different from his mid 90's run aside the grey hair. I got so excited when I first heard of this line and got hopes way up, just to see it nose-dive after the 2nd wave. Maybe this is a Doc Brown/BTTF3 deal...maybe we are just meant to go back to right the wrong and get Diesel, then when we get back home we destroy the time machine. "It has caused nothing but...disaster." BTTF is my favorite movie. Thanks for combining Retros and BTTF. Made my day. [/quote] I could see the aftermath of the train smashing the Delorean on the tracks. Instead of Marty picking up the fading out flux capacitor, he grabs Diesel lol
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