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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 22:21:48 GMT -5
Like, even a great match like Nakamura/Styles, what could they do that has never been done? Out of every match in the history of the E, WCW, ECW, TNA, old territories, indies, ROH, Japan, Mexico, etc., is there going to come a time where everything possible has been done? Like, when do we just say, "It's all been done"? And, will that mean the end of professional wrestling?
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Post by hbkowns on Mar 13, 2018 22:26:44 GMT -5
I don’t think so, and if people are still trying to raise the bar we’re going to see a lot more people hurt and careers will be ended a lot sooner.
This generations in-ring style is probably the most intensive by far. So I don’t see how you can innovate more. As a matter of fact I feel most guys should tone it down and use more in-ring psychology rather than car-crashes we see most of the time now.
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Post by BØRNS on Mar 14, 2018 2:07:15 GMT -5
There will always be innovation.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Mar 14, 2018 2:42:28 GMT -5
In 1987 people thought that nobody could top Savage vs. Steamboat at Wrestlemania III.
Then in 1991 we saw Bret Hart vs. Mr. Perfect take place at SummerSlam.
A few years later you add a ladder to a match with Shawn Michaels and Razor Ramon at Wrestlemania X.
Then you look 10 years later to what TNA did with Joe vs. Daniels vs. Styles.
You look at guys like Teddy Hart, Jack Evans, Ricochet, and the crazy moves they can do.
Wrestling will always add something new and interesting to itself thanks to the ideas and athleticism of the wrestlers today.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Mar 14, 2018 12:40:21 GMT -5
In 1987 people thought that nobody could top Savage vs. Steamboat at Wrestlemania III. Then in 1991 we saw Bret Hart vs. Mr. Perfect take place at SummerSlam. A few years later you add a ladder to a match with Shawn Michaels and Razor Ramon at Wrestlemania X. Then you look 10 years later to what TNA did with Joe vs. Daniels vs. Styles. You look at guys like Teddy Hart, Jack Evans, Ricochet, and the crazy moves they can do. Wrestling will always add something new and interesting to itself thanks to the ideas and athleticism of the wrestlers today. Pretty much this, like you never realise theres more until you see it. Wrestling will always evolve and be innovative. |
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Mar 14, 2018 12:46:54 GMT -5
I don’t think so, and if people are still trying to raise the bar we’re going to see a lot more people hurt and careers will be ended a lot sooner. This generations in-ring style is probably the most intensive by far. So I don’t see how you can innovate more. As a matter of fact I feel most guys should tone it down and use more in-ring psychology rather than car-crashes we see most of the time now.You sound like Stone Cold on his podcast and I 100% agree. I wish guys like Seth Rollins and Daniel Bryan (during his last active year as a wrestler) etc slowed down the pace a little. Running all over the ring and doing back to back suicide dives that look like gentle pushes to their opponents look like crap. I know guys have tremendous stamina nowadays and try to do the most in matches but the execution of their moves look terrible at the same time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 12:53:15 GMT -5
All stand up strikes and dirty boxing against the ropes for the entirety of a match would be different. Make it Brawl for All, but worked.
They could also stand to do without the pauses where one of the wrestlers plays to the crowd at a distance from his opponent. The two fighters should stay on each other the entire match.
And stop holding your head in disbelief when there’s a kick out at two. Get back on him.
Actually, there probably needs to be an intervention with the wrestlers and trainers. AJ’s the best at making it look realistic, but the majority of WWE matches look incredibly fake right now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 14:17:19 GMT -5
Yes, but it is far harder than it was two decades ago or so. Most ideas have been run to the ground and the few new fun things get written off as "bad" because it's different.
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Post by Planktung on Mar 14, 2018 14:19:34 GMT -5
Of course. It'd be weird to think otherwise. There's always something new to discover in any avenue of art/entertainment.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Mar 14, 2018 15:57:30 GMT -5
I don’t think so, and if people are still trying to raise the bar we’re going to see a lot more people hurt and careers will be ended a lot sooner. This generations in-ring style is probably the most intensive by far. So I don’t see how you can innovate more. As a matter of fact I feel most guys should tone it down and use more in-ring psychology rather than car-crashes we see most of the time now.You sound like Stone Cold on his podcast and I 100% agree. I wish guys like Seth Rollins and Daniel Bryan (during his last active year as a wrestler) etc slowed down the pace a little. Running all over the ring and doing back to back suicide dives that look like gentle pushes to their opponents look like crap. I know guys have tremendous stamina nowadays and try to do the most in matches but the execution of their moves look terrible at the same time. Exactly this. Wrestling can only go as far as the wrestlers themselves take it.less is more. If I was a worker I’d call matches of like ten actual moves and the rest punches and kicks. That’s why wrestling Isn’t “believable” anymore. Guys jump off 20 foot ladders jump up and are fine. How do you expect me to believe throwing a guy off the top rope or a ddt is gunna keep him down for a 3 count |
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Mar 14, 2018 16:09:10 GMT -5
Absolutely. Evolution and innovation in pro wrestling will never end. It’s not a matter of Styles and Nakamura doing something we’ve never seen. It’s a matter of them (hopefully) putting on a great one-on-one WWE Championship match at WrestleMania... something we haven’t seen in about 11 years.
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Post by bababooey on Mar 14, 2018 18:09:10 GMT -5
In my opinion the best innovation can be found in storytelling, mores than crazy spots or new moves. Also, I feel like you can find innovation by going against the grain. Rather than worrying about what's never been done, worry about what's not being done currently.
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Mar 14, 2018 18:36:50 GMT -5
In my opinion the best innovation can be found in storytelling, mores than crazy spots or new moves. Also, I feel like you can find innovation by going against the grain. Rather than worrying about what's never been done, worry about what's not being done currently. Or just putting on an absolute clinic, that has people on the edge of their seat. That could also go in part to the build up/story telling going into the match too. For instance, Styles/Nakamura is about being the best. So just going out there and giving it everything they have (which I expect) would be the correct way to book that match. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 9:35:41 GMT -5
Some of Ibushi's matches in Japan were...innovative.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 9:38:22 GMT -5
Absolutely. Evolution and innovation in pro wrestling will never end. It’s not a matter of Styles and Nakamura doing something we’ve never seen. It’s a matter of them (hopefully) putting on a great one-on-one WWE Championship match at WrestleMania... something we haven’t seen in about 11 years. I've been seriously thinking about the last "great" championship match at Mania and I keep landing on Brock v Kurt, Eddie v Kurt, and Benoit v HHH v HBK and HBK v Cena. |
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Post by Triple S: POOR on Mar 15, 2018 9:53:41 GMT -5
Absolutely. Evolution and innovation in pro wrestling will never end. It’s not a matter of Styles and Nakamura doing something we’ve never seen. It’s a matter of them (hopefully) putting on a great one-on-one WWE Championship match at WrestleMania... something we haven’t seen in about 11 years. I've been seriously thinking about the last "great" championship match at Mania and I keep landing on Brock v Kurt, Eddie v Kurt, and Benoit v HHH v HBK and HBK v Cena. Last great 1-on-1 WWE Championship match at Mania (for me), was Michaels/Cena at WM23. The Triple Threat at WM24 was good, but again... Triple Threat. |
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Post by T R W on Mar 15, 2018 13:11:08 GMT -5
Well these days it is pretty innovative to use ring psychology, selling moves and injuries properly, and actually wrestle.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Mar 15, 2018 17:21:52 GMT -5
Absolutely. Evolution and innovation in pro wrestling will never end. It’s not a matter of Styles and Nakamura doing something we’ve never seen. It’s a matter of them (hopefully) putting on a great one-on-one WWE Championship match at WrestleMania... something we haven’t seen in about 11 years. I've been seriously thinking about the last "great" championship match at Mania and I keep landing on Brock v Kurt, Eddie v Kurt, and Benoit v HHH v HBK and HBK v Cena. Taker - Edge |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Mar 17, 2018 18:15:50 GMT -5
I don't think so because I look at wrestling as stories and books. All writers have the same words to use, much like all wrestlers have the same set of moves to use in theory. The way those words and moves are used by some are better than others to tell a story. As long as you have story telling, you'll have wrestling.
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Post by k5 on Mar 17, 2018 22:49:11 GMT -5
I don't think so because I look at wrestling as stories and books. All writers have the same words to use, much like all wrestlers have the same set of moves to use in theory. The way those words and moves are used by some are better than others to tell a story. As long as you have story telling, you'll have wrestling. came in here to write essentially the same opinion. spot on. |
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