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Post by screech on Mar 30, 2018 14:05:43 GMT -5
Alot of people saying lets now give HBK the proper knee pads... The thing is most of his most iconic attires have been made by mattel and they don't have knee pads so there's no chance of getting them again. It's incredibly frustrating. There can only be one reason that jericho has those knee pads and that's the spreadsheet theory. They type in jericho and up pops the defining moment body with tights and knee pads and then just stick the different deco on and select the head. Theres got to be something in that. If someone was as incompetent as mattel is when they look at reference pics they wouldn't be in a job long. Also what is that paint app on the beard? Absolutely terrible. And rock not having the big side burns. Remember bill said the Summerslam rock exclusive had the big ultra ripped torso because once you change a figures torso you can't undo it? Yeah that was absolute BS as well and a total cop out. Yeah, the only way those knee pads got through was because someone didn't cross-reference the attire to see if they were correct/needed or they just couldn't change the spreadsheet/template and were forced to give him the pads regardless. If they couldn't remove them for some reason, you'd think they'd choose to go with the correct all black version rather than paying for uneccessary deco hits on the pads. Seems to me like they didn't actually cross-reference the attire. Speaking of which, does anyone remember when the second DM Flair had the wrong color "RF" logo placed on the wrong side of his trunks? Lol they either didn't actually look at reference pics of a figure in their most premium line or chose to get the attire wrong on purpose. There's absolutely nothing wrong with working with spreadsheet templates but the theory that a lot of things seem to get overlooked and unchecked during this process seemed to hold some truth.
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Post by crashholly2002 on Mar 30, 2018 14:26:00 GMT -5
oh the illustrious spreadsheets myth, who unironically that takes that seriously?
all three of the figures look great, hopefully Austin well enough to warrant various belts with different color straps like a green european title yes Jericho could use black kneepads, but those literally a dime a dozen; and might be a sign that more figures like HBK and Jericho will get kneepads from now on, but only time will tell Rock looks fantastic, especially on the cloth jacket, very nice
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Post by winxclubflora on Mar 30, 2018 14:30:53 GMT -5
Wow, those figures are just perfect.
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Post by screech on Mar 30, 2018 15:00:11 GMT -5
oh the illustrious spreadsheets myth, who unironically that takes that seriously? Mattel has pretty much confirmed they work from templates when designing their figures. The only laughable/stupid "spreadsheets theory" was from one single person who theorized that Mattel just inputs numbers into a computer and doesn't even look at the figures they design. Nobody believes that except that one user. However, given that they do use templates when designing figures, it's not stupid to see things like this Y2J getting wrong color pads with unnecessary deco hits, RetroFest Savage coming with an unnecessary lone knee pad, and DM Flair having incorrect color/placement of logos as being oversights that possibly occurred due to a lack of referencing the attires properly in the design process or an inability to change certain things in a template. People are more critical of the oversights in the process rather than the actual usage of "spreadsheet" templates.
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Post by crashholly2002 on Mar 30, 2018 15:20:15 GMT -5
oh the illustrious spreadsheets myth, who unironically that takes that seriously? Mattel has pretty much confirmed they work from templates when designing their figures. The only laughable/stupid "spreadsheets theory" was from one single person who theorized that Mattel just inputs numbers into a computer and doesn't even look at the figures they design. Nobody believes that except that one user. However, given that they do use templates when designing figures, it's not stupid to see things like this Y2J getting wrong color pads with unnecessary deco hits, RetroFest Savage coming with an unnecessary lone knee pad, and DM Flair having incorrect color/placement of logos as being oversights that possibly occurred due to a lack of referencing the attires properly in the design process or an inability to change certain things in a template. People are more critical of the oversights in the process rather than the actual usage of "spreadsheet" templates.then call it like it is, don't use "spreadsheets" as a strawman misrepresent the true problem we're dealing with
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Post by screech on Mar 30, 2018 15:45:36 GMT -5
Mattel has pretty much confirmed they work from templates when designing their figures. The only laughable/stupid "spreadsheets theory" was from one single person who theorized that Mattel just inputs numbers into a computer and doesn't even look at the figures they design. Nobody believes that except that one user. However, given that they do use templates when designing figures, it's not stupid to see things like this Y2J getting wrong color pads with unnecessary deco hits, RetroFest Savage coming with an unnecessary lone knee pad, and DM Flair having incorrect color/placement of logos as being oversights that possibly occurred due to a lack of referencing the attires properly in the design process or an inability to change certain things in a template. People are more critical of the oversights in the process rather than the actual usage of "spreadsheet" templates.then call it like it is, don't use "spreadsheets" as a strawman misrepresent the true problem we're dealing with I couldn't have made my point any more clear in the very first sentence of my original reply. I don't know if you just didn't read it or just can't overlook the usage of the word "spreadsheets," but I made my point clear enough and am not misrepresenting anything. Yeah, the only way those knee pads got through was because someone didn't cross-reference the attire to see if they were correct/needed or they just couldn't change the spreadsheet/template and were forced to give him the pads regardless. If they couldn't remove them for some reason, you'd think they'd choose to go with the correct all black version rather than paying for uneccessary deco hits on the pads. Seems to me like they didn't actually cross-reference the attire. Speaking of which, does anyone remember when the second DM Flair had the wrong color "RF" logo placed on the wrong side of his trunks? Lol they either didn't actually look at reference pics of a figure in their most premium line or chose to get the attire wrong on purpose. There's absolutely nothing wrong with working with spreadsheet templates but the theory that a lot of things seem to get overlooked and unchecked during this process seemed to hold some truth.
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Post by dollarbill04 on Mar 30, 2018 15:46:42 GMT -5
All 3 look great, and I hope to get them. If I could only pick one, Im going with Austin. Need that belt!!!
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Post by East Coast on Mar 30, 2018 15:52:15 GMT -5
dont forget that they've given every Sami Zayn elite kneepads (some with deco hits), even tho Sami zayn doesn't wear visible kneepads.
what part of the budget is giving a figure deco on kneepads they aren't supposed to have? How costly is that mistake? 5 cents a figure or something lol.
i really don't get how things like that or ron simmons torso/skintone make it out of the design process. Where is the one sane person at Mattel who's going to stop all these weird mistakes
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Post by crashholly2002 on Mar 30, 2018 16:29:22 GMT -5
then call it like it is, don't use "spreadsheets" as a strawman misrepresent the true problem we're dealing with I couldn't have made my point any more clear in the very first sentence of my original reply. I don't know if you just didn't read it or just can't overlook the usage of the word "spreadsheets," but I made my point clear enough and am not misrepresenting anything. Yeah, the only way those knee pads got through was because someone didn't cross-reference the attire to see if they were correct/needed or they just couldn't change the spreadsheet/template and were forced to give him the pads regardless. If they couldn't remove them for some reason, you'd think they'd choose to go with the correct all black version rather than paying for uneccessary deco hits on the pads. Seems to me like they didn't actually cross-reference the attire. Speaking of which, does anyone remember when the second DM Flair had the wrong color "RF" logo placed on the wrong side of his trunks? Lol they either didn't actually look at reference pics of a figure in their most premium line or chose to get the attire wrong on purpose. There's absolutely nothing wrong with working with spreadsheet templates but the theory that a lot of things seem to get overlooked and unchecked during this process seemed to hold some truth. so you directly assumed I was talking about you about the spreadsheets issue? Where, in my original post, did I say anything about you specificially? Cause last time I've checked, I was directly referring to those that heavily uses the spreadsheets argument
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Post by Labeled101 on Mar 30, 2018 16:29:32 GMT -5
MattelDesignTeam - I'll work for a penny to ensure the attires and decos are on point, making these continuous mistakes a thing of the past.
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Mar 30, 2018 17:12:27 GMT -5
Actually noticed the Rock's headscan is inaccurate since during that time he had long sideburns but the headscan has none. Thanks for the pics might get Jericho.. Didn’t Rock wear that shirt as a face in 2000? No. I'm sure he wore that in early 1999 when he was with the corporation. If you check the pic on the box you can see he has long sideburns..
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Mar 30, 2018 17:30:52 GMT -5
Didn’t Rock wear that shirt as a face in 2000? No. I'm sure he wore that in early 1999 when he was with the corporation. If you check the pic on the box you can see he has long sideburns.. I thought he wore it in both periods
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Mar 30, 2018 18:29:29 GMT -5
Gotta swap the pads, but I can't wait to get that Jericho.
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Post by BadGirlRyleigh on Mar 30, 2018 19:13:32 GMT -5
Thankfully I have the EG Jericho to take the head and shiny jacket from but black pads are harder to get because I have to sacrifice another figure
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Mar 30, 2018 19:50:55 GMT -5
Ok, now I have to jump on the “Why no kneepads on HBK?” Wagon Bill stated before that the reason why they don’t slap kneepads on HBK is because they can do without since it pretty much blends in. Makes sense from a cost point of view. Right? So then why add kneepads that blend in to Jericho when he never had kneepads like that? It makes zero sense to add it on him. It’s also contradicting Don’t add it where it exists but then add it where it doesn’t exists It's absolute bs. That's the first thing I noticed too, I was like why doesn't he have the tights mold and why does he have deco kneepads. Jericho's chin looks like the tip of a banana. Still looks good, however I'm desperately waiting for a wcw version. It sucks that HBK can't get deco or the correct boots on his figures when Mattel already has the mold and has proven time to time that they're able to put deco on kneepads.
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Post by poindizzle on Mar 30, 2018 20:01:09 GMT -5
Legit would be pissed if I order a Jericho and he has that crap going on with his goatee not being painted the full way. We're finally getting the EG but as an Elite and I just have really high expectations pinned on it.
The Rock and Austin have enough unique about them to warrant purchase but both desperately need new heads.
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Post by legendsguy on Mar 30, 2018 21:19:35 GMT -5
i can see this line doing very well. if they can get enough talent to do it. Although some rereleases will be expected.
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Post by SteveHulk on Mar 30, 2018 22:00:03 GMT -5
Who else will be added to this line? Dude love? Chyna?? Val Venis?? 1998 Triple H? 90's Vince & Shane? Linda McMahon... finally??? ...ABA Undertaker..?
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Mar 30, 2018 22:47:19 GMT -5
No. I'm sure he wore that in early 1999 when he was with the corporation. If you check the pic on the box you can see he has long sideburns.. I thought he wore it in both periods I think he also did use that $5000 shirt in 2000. Clearly looking at the image on the card and what is said in the bio its suppose to represent late 1998 and early 1999 so the headscan is inaccurate for that time period.
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Post by Medieval on Mar 31, 2018 8:30:30 GMT -5
Nice to be able to order that sweet Rock figure. August 31st is a wait but well worth it. I think the next figure in this line will be NOD Mark Henry.
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