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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Apr 28, 2018 0:28:08 GMT -5
I am listening to Something to Wrestle with, And it is the Royal Rumble 1992 episode. And something that was supposed to happen was Bret leaving in 1992 to wCw and bring the IC title with him, as a payback for Flair bringing the wCw title. This is from Roddy Piper, Savage, DiBiasse, and Taker.
Do you think that this is something that kept going through Vince's head with the Screwjob?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 3:42:26 GMT -5
Yep, and then WCW got Jessie Ventura instead to be a commentator...
He was awful.
As for the MSJ, it's been talked about to death, but I don't care in the slightest anymore.
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Post by k5 on Apr 28, 2018 9:22:57 GMT -5
Yep, and then WCW got Jessie Ventura instead to be a commentator... He was awful. As for the MSJ, it's been talked about to death, but I don't care in the slightest anymore. to Jesse’s defence, Schiavone didn’t know how to properly gel with commentator banter and Jesse, just like Bobby, needed their counterpart to thrive. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 11:45:43 GMT -5
Anything involving Bret (other than his WWF matches) bore me to tears. His promos, his interviews, his acting, his constant bitching about the Screwjob etc make me want to bang my head against a brick wall.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 12:05:38 GMT -5
Wow,man,I can't imagine that era without Bret,as I was a massive Hitman fan.That's one thing that always irked me about the msj, though. Was it Vince's idea for the big gold belt to show up on WWF tv? If so,it seems he didn't want to take his own medicine. I'm not real up on my knowledge of details surrounding Flair showing up with it,though, so sorry if I got that wrong. I'm not sure Bret would have pulled a Madusa,but it was the war,so I guess anything could have happened.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Apr 29, 2018 0:08:55 GMT -5
Wow,man,I can't imagine that era without Bret,as I was a massive Hitman fan.That's one thing that always irked me about the msj, though. Was it Vince's idea for the big gold belt to show up on WWF tv? If so,it seems he didn't want to take his own medicine. I'm not real up on my knowledge of details surrounding Flair showing up with it,though, so sorry if I got that wrong. I'm not sure Bret would have pulled a Madusa,but it was the war,so I guess anything could have happened. Flair put down a deposit on the belt. He wanted his money back, and wCw could have it. wCw didnt give him back his deposit, so he brought it with him. It's just weird that Bret was planning on doing that. So it put the seeds of doubt in Vince's head. It was also interesting that Owen would come up to Vince after the MSJ, and ask Vince to put Owen in angles where he gets screwed as well. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 29, 2018 0:56:23 GMT -5
In regards of the MSJ, I just find it ironic that his whole gimmick from coming back in late 1996 to the end in 1997 was "getting screwed."
He said he got screwed by HBK at In Your House when Sid beat him.
He got screwed at the Royal Rumble when Austin sneaked back in and eliminated Bret.
He got screwed the night after In Your House when Sid beat him for the WWE Title when Austin interfered.
He got screwed in the steel cage match with Sid when Taker and Austin both interfered.
Then he actually legit does get screwed?? You can't write that!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 8:17:45 GMT -5
Wow,man,I can't imagine that era without Bret,as I was a massive Hitman fan.That's one thing that always irked me about the msj, though. Was it Vince's idea for the big gold belt to show up on WWF tv? If so,it seems he didn't want to take his own medicine. I'm not real up on my knowledge of details surrounding Flair showing up with it,though, so sorry if I got that wrong. I'm not sure Bret would have pulled a Madusa,but it was the war,so I guess anything could have happened. Flair put down a deposit on the belt. He wanted his money back, and wCw could have it. wCw didnt give him back his deposit, so he brought it with him. It's just weird that Bret was planning on doing that. So it put the seeds of doubt in Vince's head. It was also interesting that Owen would come up to Vince after the MSJ, and ask Vince to put Owen in angles where he gets screwed as well. Ah,ok. Was/is that a thing that champs do? Buy the belt? |
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Post by Artie Kendall on Apr 29, 2018 18:33:20 GMT -5
I haven't listened to that episode but i know that the Observer for this time period had some reports. The only way Bret would have been able to show up on WCW with the title was to no show the event with The Mountie. According to the Observer, the plan for Hart to drop the title when he did was planned three to four weeks out so that Piper could get it at the Rumble. Hart was promised a Mania match with Piper before agreeing to drop the title. Hart didn't think the WWF would hold up there end with the mania match with Piper. So Hart talks with WCW agrees to a deal with WCW before realizing his WWF contract had rolled over. The Observer makes no mention of him taking the title to WCW.
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Post by mikey1974 on May 1, 2018 19:00:43 GMT -5
Flair put down a deposit on the belt. He wanted his money back, and wCw could have it. wCw didnt give him back his deposit, so he brought it with him. It's just weird that Bret was planning on doing that. So it put the seeds of doubt in Vince's head. It was also interesting that Owen would come up to Vince after the MSJ, and ask Vince to put Owen in angles where he gets screwed as well. Ah,ok. Was/is that a thing that champs do? Buy the belt? Back then, it was. When you were booked to win the World Title, you put down a $25,000 deposit ( i'm not sure if the guys who held it a super short time like Tommy Rich had to or not).This was meant as a guarantee, as it were. You would get back your deposit a short time after droppin the title. However if you refused to do the job, then you would forfeit that deposit. Basically it was an insurance policy to make sure the World Champ did business.It wasn't uncommon for a Champ to refuse to drop his Title when the time came. I don't believe something like this was ever instituted anywhere else besides the NWA |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 6:19:30 GMT -5
Ah,ok. Was/is that a thing that champs do? Buy the belt? Back then, it was. When you were booked to win the World Title, you put down a $25,000 deposit ( i'm not sure if the guys who held it a super short time like Tommy Rich had to or not).This was meant as a guarantee, as it were. You would get back your deposit a short time after droppin the title. However if you refused to do the job, then you would forfeit that deposit. Basically it was an insurance policy to make sure the World Champ did business.It wasn't uncommon for a Champ to refuse to drop his Title when the time came. I don't believe something like this was ever instituted anywhere else besides the NWA Never knew that.I guess WWF had Undertaker's fists in lieu of such a policy. |
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Post by marino13 on May 2, 2018 9:55:28 GMT -5
I absolutely believe Vince feared Bret would do the same thing as Alundra Blayze. I'm personally not saying Bret would, but he certainly could. Vince did what he felt he had to do to prevent his company from looking that bad again. And rightfully so.
All that being said, Vince was an idiot. If you know Bret's contract is running out, DON'T wait for the last second to take the title off of him. Same thing happened with Double J a few years later. And both times, it bit someone in the ass.
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Post by dixol on May 2, 2018 10:34:49 GMT -5
In his book, Bret has a totally different story. Take everything with a grain of salt. Truth is probably somewhere in between.
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Post by JokerFC on May 5, 2018 12:01:34 GMT -5
In regards of the MSJ, I just find it ironic that his whole gimmick from coming back in late 1996 to the end in 1997 was "getting screwed." He said he got screwed by HBK at In Your House when Sid beat him. He got screwed at the Royal Rumble when Austin sneaked back in and eliminated Bret. He got screwed the night after In Your House when Sid beat him for the WWE Title when Austin interfered. He got screwed in the steel cage match with Sid when Taker and Austin both interfered. Then he actually legit does get screwed?? You can't write that! LOL.... |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 12, 2018 12:16:47 GMT -5
I honestly can’t see Bret ever bringing a WWF Title to WCW, especially in 1992. He was too loyal to Vince.
That doesn’t mean Vince wasn’t paranoid about it though.
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