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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 7, 2018 7:51:09 GMT -5
Her promo last night was bad. Real bad. And she got boo'd horribly during it.
Does anybody else, besides me, have an issue with the way she's being booked? I just cringe. They are acting like she's some kind of freak or outcast just because she's heavy. It's not a disability or a disease or a deficiency to be heavy. In fact, the majority of Americans look more like her than the rest of the Women's division. So I just don't understand why she can't be booked as just a strong woman who is poweful and good at what she does.
Instead, her and the announcers always have to constantly state how proud she is to be "different", basically saying "hey, being fat is usually a bad thing, but Nia Jax is ok with it".
I understand the whole "positive body image" movement that's going on....but by constantly pointing out how "different" Nia Jax is, they are actually drawing more attention to it, and in my opinion, in a NEGATIVE WAY.
I think it's disrespectful to her and it draws the attention away from how good she could be in the ring. It's like in Tennis. Venus Williams is 37 years old and they act like that's ancient. Every time she plays well the announcers are like "to be playing like this at her age......". Why can't they just compliment her playing ability instead of basically being like "wow, we can't believe this old bitch hasn't broke her hip out here yet today". That's what they're doing to Nia Jax. Every Time she comes out they aren't saying she's a good wrestler or a powerhouse....they're basically saying, hey she's ok for a fatty but it's ok because she's ok with it...but just rememeber she's different, so if you're like her you are different too and different isn't what's normal or it woudn't be different!
Again, I just think it's disrespectful to her that the entire purpose of her character is to go out there specifically to justify her weight and overcome that "obstacle".
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 8:06:44 GMT -5
To me she would be better off being a bully type heel.
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Post by ahunter8056 on May 7, 2018 8:48:27 GMT -5
I do agree that they push it too far, but I think it's good for that to remain part of her character. As horrible as it is, fat shaming is very much alive. You only have to go onto any comments section to see that, even for someone who's just large and heavy rather than physically unfit. Having a role model there to say "even if you're bullied, you can still achieve your dreams", has got to really lift the spirits of audience members who don't have the same level of self-confidence that Nia does, and give them a confidence boost. I think that having stars who serve as inspiration to thousands of people whilst entertaining them, is one of the greatest things about wrestling. It's heartwarming, and if someone really needs that in their life, it can make a big difference.
But I think the biggest problem is that the first month of her reign has been so poorly booked. Her first night as champ was spent in a 6 woman tag rather than showcasing her as the new champion in 1v1. Week after that, she just showed up to do commentary. Week after that, she was stuck in a 10 woman tag. RAW before Backlash, she just showed up to chase Bliss. Before Backlash, she'd only had two matches as champion, and they were both in multiwoman tag team matches. She wasn't given time with the spotlight on her, despite being the champion of the brand. That's a huge misstep for anyone's first reign, in my opinion.
I think if they were to retain the role model aspect of her character while booking her as the woman, rather than a woman, we wouldn't be seeing so much criticism of Nia Jax. But the fact that they refuse to shine a spotlight on their champion is a terrible booking decision.
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Post by punksnotdead on May 7, 2018 9:17:08 GMT -5
She's painted herself as a victim in real life because people call her fat on Twitter. So WWE turned it into a Be A Star campaign. If you want to blame anyone for this disaster, blame Nia.
This is a two part problem:
1) People don't want forced political correctness in their wrestling. Regardless of how you feel about bullying, which I'm guessing the majority of people find it deplorable, wrestling is still a theatre act about two human beings beating the sh*t out of each other until one of them can physically hold the other one down for 3 seconds. The entire premise of wrestling is for one guy, or girl, to bully another one into a fake fight. This is another shining example of how WWE superstars have blurred the lines between being actors and being real people, and I absolutely hate that sh*t. You don't see Josh Brolin stopping mid Thanos monologue and telling the audience it's all just an act and bullying is bad. That's how stupid what Nia did last night was imo.
2) Nia is not good. She's a really clunky wrestler. She's a terrible promo. She doesn't have a single quality that endears her to the audience. There is nothing about her that is likable and her being anything but a monster heel is disingenuous to the audience. There have been countless "big" performers in wrestling and not a one of them succeeded by being a whiny little crybaby because not everyone in the world said nice things about them. If she was really such a great role model she would just own her size with real confidence, or better yet, own the fact that obesity is a serious problem in our country and it leads to heart failure and a plethora of other medical conditions that people don't take seriously until it's too late.
Also, the average professional career of an athlete spans 3 and a half years in most sports. Venus at 37 performing at that level is a compliment. Tom Brady and Jaromir Jagr received the same kind of sentiment in their sports. Athletes stop progressing physically at around 26, thus putting their prime between 28-32. Most NFL running backs are replaceable by like 25. How many Olympic athletes peak around 21? Barry Sanders retired at 30. Bobby Orr retired at 31. That's how biology works.
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Post by Liv Is Life on May 7, 2018 9:18:24 GMT -5
Nia was booked as a bully of sorts as a heel, and got turned face when her far more popular friend heeled on her. It’s no shocker this has been a bust so far. Alexa Bliss is/was way too popular to be the catalyst in this whole story, and it’s shown in the reaction for both girls. I absolutely hate that they refuse to actually build people up anymore, instead of opting for the mega push method of just stacking up wins when convenient. Nia has always been “different” yet she was always booked pretty much the same as others when she got in the ring...that was a mistake.
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Post by koreygunz on May 7, 2018 9:53:11 GMT -5
WWE has always had the stigma, and deservedly so, of only pushing a certain look and body type. The misstep they are making with Nia is that, instead of pushing her properly and letting her differences get her over organically, and then letting the audience give them a proverbial pat on the back for giving someone a-typical a chance, they are trying WAY to hard to give themselves the pat on the back and basically say "hey look, we are pushing her BECAUSE she is different/big and that's OK." It way too self-serving and it has already backfired on them and, unfortunately, Nia. You cant go a different direction and then point out to everyone how much they should appreciate you for going in that new direction.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 7, 2018 9:58:08 GMT -5
They were booing last night because the fans were Alexa Bliss fans. They wanted her to win. It isn't really about Nia's character, because that has been working for the past little while. The fans were just hot to see Alexis win and it didn't happen, so they booed.
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Post by aggressiveperfectpoor on May 7, 2018 11:09:47 GMT -5
Here's what irritates me. She could honestly be something very special in this business. She's unique. She DOES need some work in the ring, but she could definitely be something special. Hell maybe even take the mantle from Chyna as the next woman to legitimately compete with men (call me crazy on that one I know, I've been called worse by better) and maybe do it on a higher level. It's just that they book her so terribly.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 7, 2018 11:40:26 GMT -5
She needs to be the heel. End of discussion. I realize Alexa plays a great heel but she could also play a babyface as well. If they wanted the title on Nia they should have just used a transitional champion to get if off alexa and onto Nia.
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Post by B-Radimus Prime on May 7, 2018 11:43:42 GMT -5
I just have a problem with WWE’s writing in general and their handling with most characters. Not many are written very well.
You’d never see Amazing Kong playing this type of character.
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Post by Joey Cush on May 7, 2018 11:49:15 GMT -5
Im pretty sure ragdolling somebody across the ring who is less than half your size, could/should be considered bullying.
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Post by havoc7179 on May 7, 2018 12:01:51 GMT -5
Im pretty sure ragdolling somebody across the ring who is less than half your size, could/should be considered bullying. This is part of the problem. She has a heel moveset but is being portrayed as the face.
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Post by Bandalero on May 7, 2018 12:11:08 GMT -5
They were booing last night because the fans were Alexa Bliss fans. They wanted her to win. It isn't really about Nia's character, because that has been working for the past little while. The fans were just hot to see Alexis win and it didn't happen, so they booed. I hope more people actually see this. The booing wasn't in protest of anti-bullying, or for that matter Nia Jax. It was in protest that the wrong person went over. WWE is going to do their best not to make Nia a transition champion and that's all sorts of wrong. They're covering it up with this whole "Nia is different" campaign but it's a thin veil that most people can see beyond to the fact that they are just trying to capitalize/exploit Nia and anti-bullying. "oh look at us stakeholders, we are socially responsible" The Rock must be mega influential to the WWE BoD because his family is getting crammed down our throats and not on their merits.
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Post by RybackV1 on May 7, 2018 13:45:08 GMT -5
They're trying to put an end to all forms of bullying
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Post by TheLastDude on May 7, 2018 15:30:26 GMT -5
I have a problem with all the women's characters in that they really don't have any.
Really...what are the characters that the women wrestlers are portraying?
Nia isn't like most girls Alexa is...short and wears spiky finger gloves Asuka is an "Empress" or something Charlotte is Ric Flair's daughter Natalya is Jim Neidhart's daughter Naomi glows in the dark Becky drinks tea Bayley hugs people Sasha wears Macho Man shades, JTG jewelry, and Eddie Guerrero gear Dana Brooke is a secretary from a porno Billie and Peyton are Australian Carmella is fabulous Lana is Rusev's wife Mandy and Liv are almost the same person same with Sarah and Sonya and also Paige and Ruby
That's...it. Those are the characters that the women play from what is shown on TV.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on May 7, 2018 15:44:24 GMT -5
I called her out on this a few weeks ago and everybody booed me out of the thread lol. She'll not last, I dont rate her at all.
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Post by punksnotdead on May 7, 2018 15:53:34 GMT -5
I have a problem with all the women's characters in that they really don't have any. Really...what are the characters that the women wrestlers are portraying? Nia isn't like most girls Alexa is...short and wears spiky finger gloves Asuka is an "Empress" or something Charlotte is Ric Flair's daughter Natalya is Jim Neidhart's daughter Naomi glows in the dark Becky drinks tea Bayley hugs people Sasha wears Macho Man shades, JTG jewelry, and Eddie Guerrero gear Dana Brooke is a secretary from a porno Billie and Peyton are Australian Carmella is fabulous Lana is Rusev's wife Mandy and Liv are almost the same person same with Sarah and Sonya and also Paige and Ruby That's...it. Those are the characters that the women play from what is shown on TV. That's a problem across the entire roster imo. It's worse with the women but there is an overall lack of identity from top to bottom. Roman Reigns is still that guy from the Shield. The Bar is two dudes in dresses quoting a truck commercial? I'd say Alexa is Queen Bee Mean Girl, which is why she's so over, but the rest of those are hilariously spot on.
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Post by TheLastDude on May 7, 2018 16:15:41 GMT -5
I have a problem with all the women's characters in that they really don't have any. Really...what are the characters that the women wrestlers are portraying? Nia isn't like most girls Alexa is...short and wears spiky finger gloves Asuka is an "Empress" or something Charlotte is Ric Flair's daughter Natalya is Jim Neidhart's daughter Naomi glows in the dark Becky drinks tea Bayley hugs people Sasha wears Macho Man shades, JTG jewelry, and Eddie Guerrero gear Dana Brooke is a secretary from a porno Billie and Peyton are Australian Carmella is fabulous Lana is Rusev's wife Mandy and Liv are almost the same person same with Sarah and Sonya and also Paige and Ruby That's...it. Those are the characters that the women play from what is shown on TV. That's a problem across the entire roster imo. It's worse with the women but there is an overall lack of identity from top to bottom. Roman Reigns is still that guy from the Shield. The Bar is two dudes in dresses quoting a truck commercial? I'd say Alexa is Queen Bee Mean Girl, which is why she's so over, but the rest of those are hilariously spot on. Oh, I agree completely. It's a problem all the way around. Like you said though, it's more glaringly obvious with the women, but damn, so many guys don't have a character either. "Angry guy who wants to beat people up" is being used by half (if not more) of the male roster as a gimmick at this point. Yeah, I guess Mean Girl works for Alexa. I never saw the movie, to be honest, but that fits from what I've gleaned from listening to people talking about it.
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Post by J12 on May 7, 2018 16:21:54 GMT -5
I thought it was working alright until last night, despite some of the obvious flaws you mentioned. At Wrestlemania, they created the perception that Nia was at a disadvantage because Mickie was at ringside. Even though Nia disposed of her quickly, she served as a reminder that Alexa was the heel and intended to use James as backup in case things went south.
Last night, Alexa came out alone and did little to really cement herself as a heel in the match. They let the story built to this point serve as the marker of the face/heel designation and it didn't work, for a number a reasons.
Primarily, the optics are just bad. Nia is the biggest woman on the roster by a considerable margin and Alexa is one of, if not the smallest. It's extremely hard to make Bliss out to be the bully when Nia is tossing her around the ring like a rag doll. Secondly, Alexa is so effective as a character that it's already an uphill battle to get her booed under normal circumstances, let alone against a woman more than double her size.
Secondly, the match just wasn't good at all. Neither Bliss or Jax are particularly impressive workers in their own right, but this match didn't even live up to the (admittedly low) bar set by the two of them at Wrestlemania. Bliss' offense wasn't credible, there was an abundance of botches, and the crowd just wasn't willing to give them any leeway from the get go.
Finally, Jax's promo was just terrible. They turned the entire angle into a tie-in with the Be A Star campaign and everyone immediately saw through it. Nia looked uncomfortable delivering it, it was void of any and all personality, and it put the final nail in an already embarrassingly bad situation.
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Post by marino13 on May 7, 2018 16:58:42 GMT -5
I agree with anyone that says the roles should be reversed. Hard to feel bad for a giant dominating monster just because she got called some names. She's an adult, not a 6th grader.
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