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Post by James Hardy on May 27, 2007 18:40:37 GMT -5
Ok, ESPN did just piss me off. They showed a football player on camera talking about all this Michael Vick dogfighting stuff, and they asked him why people might do it and his quote was that "they do it because they like violence and see it just like boxing and MMA" While he was saying this, they showed clips from the UFC of fighters getting knocked out and thrown down. To sit there and pretty much compare UFC/MMA to dogfighting is bullsh*t. I've been hearing a lot of people compare dogfighting to MMA recently, and I don't think you can compare it, but in a way that football player is right. People watch dogfighting for the violence and brutality, just like some people watch UFC/MMA for the same reasons. |
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Post by Kliquid on May 27, 2007 18:50:25 GMT -5
Ok, ESPN did just piss me off. They showed a football player on camera talking about all this Michael Vick dogfighting stuff, and they asked him why people might do it and his quote was that "they do it because they like violence and see it just like boxing and MMA" While he was saying this, they showed clips from the UFC of fighters getting knocked out and thrown down. To sit there and pretty much compare UFC/MMA to dogfighting is bullsh*t. I've been hearing a lot of people compare dogfighting to MMA recently, and I don't think you can compare it, but in a way that football player is right. People watch dogfighting for the violence and brutality, just like some people watch UFC/MMA for the same reasons. The difference is that MMA fighters aren't being forced to do what they do. These dogs are born, bred, and forced to fight for their lives. No one has ever died in an MMA fight. You can't say that about dog-fighting. |
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Post by James Hardy on May 27, 2007 20:07:33 GMT -5
I've been hearing a lot of people compare dogfighting to MMA recently, and I don't think you can compare it, but in a way that football player is right. People watch dogfighting for the violence and brutality, just like some people watch UFC/MMA for the same reasons. The difference is that MMA fighters aren't being forced to do what they do. These dogs are born, bred, and forced to fight for their lives. No one has ever died in an MMA fight. You can't say that about dog-fighting. Exactly. |
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Post by Stinger on May 28, 2007 0:00:57 GMT -5
better late than never
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Post by Stuffs "Thunder" Liger on May 28, 2007 7:28:18 GMT -5
I've been hearing a lot of people compare dogfighting to MMA recently, and I don't think you can compare it, but in a way that football player is right. People watch dogfighting for the violence and brutality, just like some people watch UFC/MMA for the same reasons. The difference is that MMA fighters aren't being forced to do what they do. These dogs are born, bred, and forced to fight for their lives. No one has ever died in an MMA fight. You can't say that about dog-fighting. No one has ever died in a MMA fight in the United States. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1193574140296314666&q=mma |
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Post by gregthebunny on May 28, 2007 7:55:33 GMT -5
The difference is that MMA fighters aren't being forced to do what they do. These dogs are born, bred, and forced to fight for their lives. No one has ever died in an MMA fight. You can't say that about dog-fighting. No one has ever died in a MMA fight in the United States. video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1193574140296314666&q=mmaThat is the only death in MMA, and it was an unsanctioned fight in which the fighter also had a pre-existing medical condition that prevented him from being licensed/approved to fight in the US, so he went international where such regulation does not exist. Still, that's one death directly associated with MMA as opposed to the how many with boxing? Roughly 11 per year on average? |
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Post by Kliquid on May 28, 2007 13:27:12 GMT -5
That is the only death in MMA, and it was an unsanctioned fight in which the fighter also had a pre-existing medical condition that prevented him from being licensed/approved to fight in the US, so he went international where such regulation does not exist. Still, that's one death directly associated with MMA as opposed to the how many with boxing? Roughly 11 per year on average? Yes, indeed. You can't count fights that are not sanctioned without correct medical preparation. We're not talking about those kind of fights - we're talking about legitimate MMA. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on May 28, 2007 13:33:44 GMT -5
There have been no deaths in sanctioned MMA fights. Non-sanctioned MMA is basically a toughman contest, with no regulation and without the safety precautions that are required in sanctioned fights.
Competing in unsanctioned MMA, in my opinion, is no different than amateurs doing hardcore wrestling in their backyards. It's stupid and dangerous.
There is a reason why UFC is working so hard to get MMA sanctioned across the country under unified rules. It's not that UFC plans to run shows in all 50 states. They're just trying to reduce the possibility that some idiots will run an unathorized, poorly supervised MMA show and a tragedy happens.
Even if it's not at a UFC show, a death in MMA right now would leave UFC with a serious black eye due to people not knowing that MMA exists outside of UFC, not realizing that UFC hold shows under a ton of safety regulations, and -- most importantly -- are just dying for the first MMA tragedy so they can get back on their soap boxes and start bashing UFC in the press again.
Remember about 5-10 years ago, it seemed like every week there was a new story in the media about a kid getting accidentally killed by his friend while horsing around, and every story claimed they were "imitating wrestling moves" when it happened?
There haven't been as many stories like that lately. It's not that kids have smartened up... the occasional tragedy still happens, I am sure. It's just that wrestling isn't as hot these days, so they have stopped trying to bring it down by blaming it for all youth violence across the board. Blaming wrestling doesn't occur to the attorneys anymore because it's off the radar.
Guess what will be blamed now? UFC. Bank on it. Before the end of this year, I predict we'll be seeing that in the media regularly, just because it's a chance for a lawyer to blame something other than his irresponsible client for the murder, and a chance to get his name in the papers.
UFC is reaping the rewards of mainstream coverage right now, but eventually, they will experience the drawbacks, too. There are advantages to flying under the pop culture radar.
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Post by Stuffs "Thunder" Liger on May 28, 2007 18:54:56 GMT -5
That is the only death in MMA, and it was an unsanctioned fight in which the fighter also had a pre-existing medical condition that prevented him from being licensed/approved to fight in the US, so he went international where such regulation does not exist. Still, that's one death directly associated with MMA as opposed to the how many with boxing? Roughly 11 per year on average? Yes, indeed. You can't count fights that are not sanctioned without correct medical preparation. We're not talking about those kind of fights - we're talking about legitimate MMA. |
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Post by gregthebunny on May 28, 2007 18:57:09 GMT -5
You know, we know about Bodog Fight.
It's just that we could care less.
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Post by Stuffs "Thunder" Liger on May 28, 2007 19:07:27 GMT -5
But the bottom line, I'm not some big MMA hater(actually more just someone who feels it's become overexposed), but you take that there are a LOT of areas that don't have upstanding sanctioning bodies, along with the fact that most promoters wouldn't think twice about putting someone with risked health in a situation as long as they made money(hell, look at Sakuraba this weekend, if he fails the tests and is said to be unable to fight, you really think some promoter in Japan, or Russia, or Costa Rica, or Brazil, etc. won't allow him?), and sooner or later, you will see some accidents.
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Post by Kliquid on May 28, 2007 19:24:08 GMT -5
But the bottom line, I'm not some big MMA hater(actually more just someone who feels it's become overexposed), but you take that there are a LOT of areas that don't have upstanding sanctioning bodies, along with the fact that most promoters wouldn't think twice about putting someone with risked health in a situation as long as they made money(hell, look at Sakuraba this weekend, if he fails the tests and is said to be unable to fight, you really think some promoter in Japan, or Russia, or Costa Rica, or Brazil, etc. won't allow him?), and sooner or later, you will see some accidents. You can't compare things outside the United States to things inside the United States. Dog fighting is legal in other countries, poorly ruled MMA is also legal. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on May 28, 2007 20:02:52 GMT -5
You know, we know about Bodog Fight. It's just that we could care less. Bodog Fight is basically the plaything of Calvin Ayre, who has millions of dollars to blow producing an MMA show for his own amusement. (I think I read that he earmarked something like $55 million for Bodog Fight from the beginning). And the reason it's held outside the United States is because Calvin Ayre is on the run from the law and would be arrested if he entered the States. Bodog Fight has some good fighters for sure, and I won't blame the promotion's shortcomings on the fighters. But I don't really feel like supporting Ayre's little hobby. |
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Post by gregthebunny on May 28, 2007 20:42:59 GMT -5
From what I can tell Bodog only has one really good fighter competing for them.
I think we all know who that is.
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Post by Kliquid on May 28, 2007 21:56:56 GMT -5
From what I can tell Bodog only has one really good fighter competing for them. I think we all know who that is. Fedor, I assume... But Matt Lindland is really, really good; too. And Nick Thompson is a pretty bad-ass mofo. |
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Post by dafilthymofo on May 30, 2007 14:49:25 GMT -5
I will like ESPN when they have a WWE section but MMA is a step in the right direction. Good for ESPN.
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Post by Kliquid on May 30, 2007 16:53:24 GMT -5
I will like ESPN when they have a WWE section but MMA is a step in the right direction. Good for ESPN. Unfortunately, pro wrestling isn't a sport. |
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