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Post by marino13 on May 25, 2018 10:05:36 GMT -5
People seem to forget, this is the same company that used to book Hulk Hogan as an underdog. That's the 6′ 7″, 300 pound Hulk Hogan. So let's not pretend this is something new to WWE. you’re right, but that was 30 years ago! it’s literally an outdated booking template. I agree with that 100%.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 25, 2018 10:32:59 GMT -5
People seem to forget, this is the same company that used to book Hulk Hogan as an underdog. That's the 6′ 7″, 300 pound Hulk Hogan. So let's not pretend this is something new to WWE. Not to be whatever....but I think they were right to do that with Hogan in certain situations based on who he was against. Obviously when you know about booking it seems ridiculous...but at the time, who's the underdog? Hulk Hogan or Andre The Giant? And now knowing that Hogan didn't even know if he was going to win DURING the match...it makes sense. Hogan vs. King Kong Bundy? Physically you've gotta kayfabe give Bundy the edge. Same with Warrior. I'd say Hogan was on an even playing field against Macho Man too. He's physically an underdog even against somebody like Sid. He's smaller than Yoko. Smaller than Undertaker. But that was Hogan's gimmick. He didn't need to be the biggest guy. Hulkamania could slay all the monsters and giants and freaks....but they acted like every guy was going to be the guy that was going to end it all. But I was a kid when Hogan was on top. As an adult, it might bother me. But to kid me....Hulk Hogan was the truth.
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Post by T R W on May 25, 2018 10:41:37 GMT -5
The most annoying thing with Reigns, is that they won't let him be his natural self amped up to 11. He is mis-cast in his current role.
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Post by Nick Papagiorgio on May 25, 2018 10:52:54 GMT -5
This is Vince McMahon's company and he pushes whoever he wants but he has to realize that Roman Reigns isn't what the fans want as the top babyface. I prefer Braun Strowman as the top babyface, he isn't boring and comes out with a massive pop. Fans were cheering him as a heel against babyface Roman Reighs. This superman crap has to stop, they did it with Hogan and then Cena and now Reigns. It's time we get a new top babyface in the WWE especially on Raw.
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Post by k5 on May 25, 2018 11:17:22 GMT -5
People seem to forget, this is the same company that used to book Hulk Hogan as an underdog. That's the 6′ 7″, 300 pound Hulk Hogan. So let's not pretend this is something new to WWE. Not to be whatever....but I think they were right to do that with Hogan in certain situations based on who he was against. Obviously when you know about booking it seems ridiculous...but at the time, who's the underdog? Hulk Hogan or Andre The Giant? And now knowing that Hogan didn't even know if he was going to win DURING the match...it makes sense. Hogan vs. King Kong Bundy? Physically you've gotta kayfabe give Bundy the edge. Same with Warrior. I'd say Hogan was on an even playing field against Macho Man too. He's physically an underdog even against somebody like Sid. He's smaller than Yoko. Smaller than Undertaker. But that was Hogan's gimmick. He didn't need to be the biggest guy. Hulkamania could slay all the monsters and giants and freaks....but they acted like every guy was going to be the guy that was going to end it all. But I was a kid when Hogan was on top. As an adult, it might bother me. But to kid me....Hulk Hogan was the truth. it was the right move for that time. in the 80s the perception as America as the ‘good guys’ fighting off the evil foreign threats of the world - so that’s what Hogan was too! people wanted to see good overpower evil, because that is what is in the public consciousness at the time. fast forward to Steve Austin. the 90s was a time of grunge, less censorship, more smash mouth content aimed for 14-30 year old males. so while lex Luger fails to capture that hogan vibe, and Bret is more a success outside America overall, they go with the times and make smash mouth Stone Cold, who used classically heel tactics and behaviour yet is cheered as a face. it was the right move for that time. that is why, despite what his supporters claim, that cena was overall a failure as the major face. he failed to expand wwe’s popularity, and for the first time the wwe crowd largely rejected what the wwe was trying to present - but instead of listening to the crowd, they kept the cena propaganda on high and rammed him down our throats. he was just as bad as reigns. years and years of absolute monotony. and now we have reigns directly after cena, which is like serving a dog crap sundae right after being force fed a bag of dicks. aj styles should be the current major face of wwe - you don’t have to force people to like him and he’s actually talented enough to be in that position. but they never gave him the mega push, and after his few ppv appearances with reigns he was put in an angle with a comedy character on Smackdown...
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Post by marino13 on May 25, 2018 12:22:23 GMT -5
People seem to forget, this is the same company that used to book Hulk Hogan as an underdog. That's the 6′ 7″, 300 pound Hulk Hogan. So let's not pretend this is something new to WWE. Not to be whatever....but I think they were right to do that with Hogan in certain situations based on who he was against. Obviously when you know about booking it seems ridiculous...but at the time, who's the underdog? Hulk Hogan or Andre The Giant? And now knowing that Hogan didn't even know if he was going to win DURING the match...it makes sense. Hogan vs. King Kong Bundy? Physically you've gotta kayfabe give Bundy the edge. Same with Warrior. I'd say Hogan was on an even playing field against Macho Man too. He's physically an underdog even against somebody like Sid. He's smaller than Yoko. Smaller than Undertaker. But that was Hogan's gimmick. He didn't need to be the biggest guy. Hulkamania could slay all the monsters and giants and freaks....but they acted like every guy was going to be the guy that was going to end it all. But I was a kid when Hogan was on top. As an adult, it might bother me. But to kid me....Hulk Hogan was the truth. But the things is, the way you felt about Hogan as a kid is the same way many of today's kids feel about Cena & Reigns. I work with kids everyday, and I constantly hear someone mentioning those two or Mysterio as their favorites. Yes, we see the flaws in it. But they don't.
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Post by jacktunney on May 25, 2018 12:57:12 GMT -5
The threads.
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Post by Tim of thee on May 26, 2018 16:01:05 GMT -5
The most annoying thing with Reigns, is that they won't let him be his natural self amped up to 11. He is mis-cast in his current role. something about a square peg and a round hole
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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on May 26, 2018 16:34:52 GMT -5
I kinda at this point wouldn’t mind having a heel Reigns, thats unstoppable, I like Brock leaner booking but competes more, then Build another as top baby face, to dethrone Roman then have them switch roles, and have Roman win back th title as the face of the company.
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Post by walkingturtles on May 27, 2018 10:26:42 GMT -5
The issue is a personality one. Reigns was a D1 College Football player at Georgia Tech. He has that natural jock persona, confident, a little cocky and a good look. He also has said he looked up to Bret Hart vs more colorful characters during his childhood. Bret was quiet and did his talking in the ring. Reigns major problem is that he comes across as the guy we all hated in High school. He will never overcome this, because he doesn’t have the personality of a Rock or Cena.
What Reigns can be is Triple H. A Heel we all love to hate, who occasionally has a small face run. He can be the top heel in the business, give him a more grounded finisher to his repertoire and he could be the gatekeeper for a decade to those trying to be the top babyface.
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Post by FLUX '97 on May 28, 2018 15:20:02 GMT -5
how many more champions are going to use a spear? Reigns sucks plain and simple he is only where he is because of Vince and his cousin the Rock.What 2015 YouTube comment did you get that argument from? Roman has massively improved ever since Vince's failed attempt to try and shove a round peg in a square hole and make him the top guy. In 2015, Roman was dreadfully mishandled because at that point, he was being force-fed garbage promos about tater tots and nursery rhymes. Now that they've turned him into a more badass character and less of a Dollar General John Cena? Roman Reigns as both a character and a worker has improved in spades. The Rock hasn't been anywhere near WWE since WrestleMania 32, other than coming around to shoot scenes for the Paige movie a couple of times, so to still have the argument that The Rock has gotten Reigns where he is right now is just absurd. Reigns did it with a combination of Vince's early attempts to force him into the role, and then he was able to adjust to said role on the fly and now is one of the top 10 wrestlers in WWE in terms of talent.
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