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Post by Darkhawk on May 22, 2018 23:39:48 GMT -5
I don't want that much wrestling anymore simply because I don't have time for it. I just read the online results just to catch up on what's going on and occasionally watch the PPVs I'm interested in. I don't know how some hardcore pro wrestling fans do it. It's way too much content to watch.
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Post by TurboEddie on May 23, 2018 1:54:41 GMT -5
As long as they fill them with quality content, I'm in.
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Post by 666erickana on May 23, 2018 5:00:38 GMT -5
Its ok ifnthey give more times for midcard guys, thats why i like no branded because that the way allnthe roster had his spot. But dualed, generally we have bouts, 4 for each brand, 3 titles matches and one big feud... It a ppv is 4 hours,and every matches are 35 mins , then it will dull. I prefer 2 ppvs of 3 hrs by month for each brand. Bring back starrcade, gab,halloween havoc, war games, lethal lottery. i hate when there is no competiton between brands, I hope fox network will asks for a return of wcw.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on May 23, 2018 6:51:17 GMT -5
Watching WWE takes up more hours than a full time job. Back when I was a kid we had 2 hours of Raw and 1 PPV a month and that was quite enough to digest as a wrestling fan. You even enjoyed WWE more then and looked forward to it weekly. When I was a kid I had 1 hour of Superstars, 1 hour of All American Wrestling, 2 hours of Prime Time Wrestling, 90 minutes of SNME every 6 weeks or so, and 1 PPV a year, then 2, then 4.
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Post by RSCTom on May 23, 2018 8:20:12 GMT -5
People saying 4 hours is too much, when we were getting 2 3 hour PPVs a month, simple maths. we're getting less than we did last year. Chill.... This is a really good point. Maybe that will make it feel less daunting, especially as they move towards making them clearly separate brands. I still think they should just kill SmackDown and revive WCW and make them two REALLY distinct shows, but that will probably never happen. Either way balancing for some and feelings of over-saturation (even my favorite shows I have to take a break from once in a while) make a lot of sense. I think what it really comes down to is the point Triple S made which hits the nail on the head. If the storytelling was better no one would be upset.
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Post by King Silva on May 23, 2018 8:53:19 GMT -5
They need to stop trying to make stuff longer.
PPVs and SD should stay the same amount of time they have always been (exceptions for Big 4).
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Post by alanpartridge on May 23, 2018 8:58:32 GMT -5
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Post by finnbalor1 on May 23, 2018 9:06:24 GMT -5
I like this more then two 3 hours PPVs a month.
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Post by punksnotdead on May 23, 2018 9:06:58 GMT -5
The long runtimes have ruined WrestleMania. So why not ruin the rest of the shows...
I can't even fathom how parents deal with this kind of crap. Your kid likes WWE but you live on the East Coast. How many parents are letting them stay up until 11:15pm to watch Raw? How many parents are letting their kid watch 5 hours of wrestling until midnight on a Sunday? How many kids have the tension span to even survive that marathon?
If the product was good, I agree this would be an easier pill to swallow. But it's not. The shows are mostly painful and I have no idea how people can watch them without DVR. Let's not even get into the pain and suffering that occurs during a live event for these marathon shows.
You can have too much of a good thing. It's called the law of diminishing returns. It's econ 101. You can also have too much of a mediocre thing that's only moderately entertaining on most days...
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Post by RSCTom on May 23, 2018 11:41:11 GMT -5
The long runtimes have ruined WrestleMania. So why not ruin the rest of the shows... I can't even fathom how parents deal with this kind of crap. Your kid likes WWE but you live on the East Coast. How many parents are letting them stay up until 11:15pm to watch Raw? How many parents are letting their kid watch 5 hours of wrestling until midnight on a Sunday? How many kids have the tension span to even survive that marathon? If the product was good, I agree this would be an easier pill to swallow. But it's not. The shows are mostly painful and I have no idea how people can watch them without DVR. Let's not even get into the pain and suffering that occurs during a live event for these marathon shows. You can have too much of a good thing. It's called the law of diminishing returns. It's econ 101. You can also have too much of a mediocre thing that's only moderately entertaining on most days... Part of how the brand survives is the fact that people regularly tune in and are on the hook with certain storylines, thinking they are going to turn out better than they actually do. I went through this from 2010 til about 2013 (probably the last time i was a regular viewer) thinking each and every week something with Christian would give him the due he deserved. In the meantime he's an old pro and Sheamus is good so it ended with some awesome matches and I just kind of stopped caring what would happen/what he would be involved with/whether or not people would look at him as a top shelf star and while it was entertaining that kind of lost me as an overall fan. So I think they tend to survive on mediocrity because week after week, people tune in expecting it to get better or for something more original to go down and something that isn't just so terribly 'by the numbers' (new up and comer, mid-card, clap your hands at their retirement, rinse and repeat) that we could be suddenly watching something different. They think the things like the 'Shake Up' (Vince has been using this term on TV for years even before it was a thing so it's clear there isn't much expanded thought that goes into it) are going to appeal to people but no one is behind anyone enough to care. Sure there are fans of new wrestlers/characters but clearly not enough to bring in new viewers/a wider fanbase. When people stop being tricked into thinking something different will happen, all that will be left are the people that don't care (pretty much where it's at now) and I can't see that fanbase growing much unless something completely off the wall and original that is actually good happens. Otherwise people should really just be turning their tv's off instead of DVRing.
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Post by The Brain on May 23, 2018 14:12:51 GMT -5
Watching WWE takes up more hours than a full time job. Back when I was a kid we had 2 hours of Raw and 1 PPV a month and that was quite enough to digest as a wrestling fan. You even enjoyed WWE more then and looked forward to it weekly. When I was a kid I had 1 hour of Superstars, 1 hour of All American Wrestling, 2 hours of Prime Time Wrestling, 90 minutes of SNME every 6 weeks or so, and 1 PPV a year, then 2, then 4. Ahh the good ol' days.
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Post by Supreme Cross on May 23, 2018 14:35:43 GMT -5
i can stand watching 3 hours of RAW every monday, now they want to do 4 hour PPV's? i dont think ill be able to watch anymore unless its Royal Rumble, Survivor Series, or WM
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on May 23, 2018 15:15:27 GMT -5
People saying 4 hours is too much, when we were getting 2 3 hour PPVs a month, simple maths. we're getting less than we did last year. Chill.... This is a really good point. Maybe that will make it feel less daunting, especially as they move towards making them clearly separate brands. I still think they should just kill SmackDown and revive WCW and make them two REALLY distinct shows, but that will probably never happen. Either way balancing for some and feelings of over-saturation (even my favorite shows I have to take a break from once in a while) make a lot of sense. I think what it really comes down to is the point Triple S made which hits the nail on the head. If the storytelling was better no one would be upset. The thing about bringing shows back is that its not the same. WCW isn't WCW without Goldberg, Sting, Hall, Nash, Booker, DDP etc it D literally be SmackDown live presents: WCW just like the ECWWE failure they tried to replicate something they had no hand in making the first time around and obviously failed quitr badly.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:39:04 GMT -5
Jesus christ. Hopefully they start them way earlier, its too much of a chore to stay up late to watch RAW let alone a PPV.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 19:02:27 GMT -5
The Big 4 will be a minimum of 5 hours as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 19:03:05 GMT -5
Jesus christ. Hopefully they start them way earlier, its too much of a chore to stay up late to watch RAW let alone a PPV. Start times will be 7pm eastern.
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Post by RSCTom on May 24, 2018 9:21:38 GMT -5
This is a really good point. Maybe that will make it feel less daunting, especially as they move towards making them clearly separate brands. I still think they should just kill SmackDown and revive WCW and make them two REALLY distinct shows, but that will probably never happen. Either way balancing for some and feelings of over-saturation (even my favorite shows I have to take a break from once in a while) make a lot of sense. I think what it really comes down to is the point Triple S made which hits the nail on the head. If the storytelling was better no one would be upset. The thing about bringing shows back is that its not the same. WCW isn't WCW without Goldberg, Sting, Hall, Nash, Booker, DDP etc it D literally be SmackDown live presents: WCW just like the ECWWE failure they tried to replicate something they had no hand in making the first time around and obviously failed quitr badly. Can agree with that, to an extent. They can do the same wave and handshake nonsense they do with their performers on a regular basis on the flagship show but make it dedicated to WCW legends. I'm thinking more in terms of camera style, layout, etc. I think there's enough there (especially with the current state of the world and it's love for nostalgia) that if they had done this maybe 4 or 5 years ago they could have approached it that way, but I think it's too late now! ECWWE was a 'failure' because all it utilized from the original content was the three letters until it was transformed due to the need for developmental. Just the way it goes around there.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on May 24, 2018 12:36:55 GMT -5
The thing about bringing shows back is that its not the same. WCW isn't WCW without Goldberg, Sting, Hall, Nash, Booker, DDP etc it D literally be SmackDown live presents: WCW just like the ECWWE failure they tried to replicate something they had no hand in making the first time around and obviously failed quitr badly. Can agree with that, to an extent. They can do the same wave and handshake nonsense they do with their performers on a regular basis on the flagship show but make it dedicated to WCW legends. I'm thinking more in terms of camera style, layout, etc. I think there's enough there (especially with the current state of the world and it's love for nostalgia) that if they had done this maybe 4 or 5 years ago they could have approached it that way, but I think it's too late now! ECWWE was a 'failure' because all it utilized from the original content was the three letters until it was transformed due to the need for developmental. Just the way it goes around there. It would be interesting to see, just for the nostalgia. But I wouldnt write off smackdown at the moment Smackdown seems to be angled at wrestling fans, you've got Nakamura, AJ, Daniel Bryan and Samoa Joe, the tag division is pretty stacked with Uso's, The Bar and New Day theyve all had awesome matches with eachother, The Miz has gained so much popularity for his workrate and dedication Smackdown is hot atm. RAW's saving grace is Braun Strowman and Seth Rollins, but they wont cut the flagship show. Wouldnt mind seeing 205 take a dive though...
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Post by RSCTom on May 24, 2018 12:51:26 GMT -5
Can agree with that, to an extent. They can do the same wave and handshake nonsense they do with their performers on a regular basis on the flagship show but make it dedicated to WCW legends. I'm thinking more in terms of camera style, layout, etc. I think there's enough there (especially with the current state of the world and it's love for nostalgia) that if they had done this maybe 4 or 5 years ago they could have approached it that way, but I think it's too late now! ECWWE was a 'failure' because all it utilized from the original content was the three letters until it was transformed due to the need for developmental. Just the way it goes around there. It would be interesting to see, just for the nostalgia. But I wouldnt write off smackdown at the moment Smackdown seems to be angled at wrestling fans, you've got Nakamura, AJ, Daniel Bryan and Samoa Joe, the tag division is pretty stacked with Uso's, The Bar and New Day theyve all had awesome matches with eachother, The Miz has gained so much popularity for his workrate and dedication Smackdown is hot atm. RAW's saving grace is Braun Strowman and Seth Rollins, but they wont cut the flagship show. Wouldnt mind seeing 205 take a dive though... I'm with you on this, but part of what turns me off about ALL these shows are the stupid camera zooms and the lack of focus on the action. Not something that's going to change, but I was thinking more along the lines of visual styles (WCW and WWF were definitely different from each other to a large degree for a while which is what made that timeframe so enjoyable) as opposed to actual talent!
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Post by B-Radimus Prime on May 24, 2018 14:09:32 GMT -5
I think it’s kind of annoying that they expect people to sit through 4 hours of their bad-mediocre PPVs. I honestly haven’t watched a full PPV in...years so it’s not going to affect me at all. I just skip to the 2-3 matches I’m actually interested in.
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