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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 8, 2018 9:32:23 GMT -5
I wish NECA or Diamond Select could make the WWE figures. These are figures that are truly made with the most realistic attention to detail. I've literally never gotten a Diamond Select or NECA figure and been unhappy with it. I don't look at any of those figures and go "man what horrible deco" or "these parts are all wrong".....they simply just get it right the first time.
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powerfred3k
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Post by powerfred3k on Jun 8, 2018 10:34:38 GMT -5
Hey just google mattels quarterly earnings over the last few years. I don't think they have made a profit for a while.
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Post by rybuck on Jun 8, 2018 10:55:07 GMT -5
I wish NECA or Diamond Select could make the WWE figures. These are figures that are truly made with the most realistic attention to detail. I've literally never gotten a Diamond Select or NECA figure and been unhappy with it. I don't look at any of those figures and go "man what horrible deco" or "these parts are all wrong".....they simply just get it right the first time. yeah that would be cool if you wanted only A-listers and only 6 figures a year
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 8, 2018 10:59:03 GMT -5
I wish NECA or Diamond Select could make the WWE figures. These are figures that are truly made with the most realistic attention to detail. I've literally never gotten a Diamond Select or NECA figure and been unhappy with it. I don't look at any of those figures and go "man what horrible deco" or "these parts are all wrong".....they simply just get it right the first time. yeah that would be cool if you wanted only A-listers and only 6 figures a year I know they put out less, but I feel like they've put out like 50 Predator figures over the last few years.
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Post by disorder on Jun 8, 2018 11:42:58 GMT -5
yeah that would be cool if you wanted only A-listers and only 6 figures a year I know they put out less, but I feel like they've put out like 50 Predator figures over the last few years. You’re also forgetting that wwe figure are directed towards and to be played with. The NECA figure I have are beautiful and have a lot of articulation, but not really playable
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jun 8, 2018 12:50:05 GMT -5
As awesome as Neca/WWE would be, Neca has never made a mass produced toy line on this scale.
Give me the return of WWE Hasbro and I think we essentially get WWE meets Marvel Legends. That line blows the doors off of the Mattel WWE line and Hasbro is the more successful company, so WWE would jump on it.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Jun 8, 2018 13:05:48 GMT -5
I wish NECA or Diamond Select could make the WWE figures. These are figures that are truly made with the most realistic attention to detail. I've literally never gotten a Diamond Select or NECA figure and been unhappy with it. I don't look at any of those figures and go "man what horrible deco" or "these parts are all wrong".....they simply just get it right the first time. As someone who has bought numerous NECA figures and been extremely happy to have them displayed on my shelf, I would very much welcome and would very happily buy some NECA WWE figures. However, it would be incredibly foolish to have them replace Mattel, given that toys are mostly produced with the intention of being played with by children. Personally I would just like to see NECA be given a license to produce a few high-quality collector-only figures every year, while Mattel still retain the license to continue as they are.
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Post by stc13 on Jun 8, 2018 13:41:14 GMT -5
I wish NECA or Diamond Select could make the WWE figures. These are figures that are truly made with the most realistic attention to detail. I've literally never gotten a Diamond Select or NECA figure and been unhappy with it. I don't look at any of those figures and go "man what horrible deco" or "these parts are all wrong".....they simply just get it right the first time. As someone who has bought numerous NECA figures and been extremely happy to have them displayed on my shelf, I would very much welcome and would very happily buy some NECA WWE figures. However, it would be incredibly foolish to have them replace Mattel, given that toys are mostly produced with the intention of being played with by children. Personally I would just like to see NECA be given a license to produce a few high-quality collector-only figures every year, while Mattel still retain the license to continue as they are. That would make the most sense. But given how fast the Figuarts figures ended up clearance and discounted, I don't know what kind of high end toy market there is for WWE compared to other properties.
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Post by bababooey on Jun 8, 2018 13:55:37 GMT -5
Of course they are losing money now just like every other toy company TRU was probably the biggest customer for all of them. Mattel knew toysrus was in trouble for a while now. I don't believe for a second they didn't know what was going on. It's there own fault for not doing something about it sooner. Mattel definitely knew. My company knew TRU was in trouble. But there’s a point where companies (mine included) decide that if they stop shipping to TRU, they’ll get none of the money owed because TRU will have no product to sell for money to pay us with. So we continue shipping and monitor the A/R number. Possibly part of the issue in general is I feel like the toy market currently is more skewed to very young children or older collectors. That large kids market is leaning more toward video games and electronics these days. Parents aren’t looking to drop $15-$23 on toys their kids aren’t super interested in. So companies like Mattel are stuck selling to parents with super young kids and picky collectors. They’re also pumping money into R&D. It’s a changing market.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Jun 8, 2018 14:25:06 GMT -5
As someone who has bought numerous NECA figures and been extremely happy to have them displayed on my shelf, I would very much welcome and would very happily buy some NECA WWE figures. However, it would be incredibly foolish to have them replace Mattel, given that toys are mostly produced with the intention of being played with by children. Personally I would just like to see NECA be given a license to produce a few high-quality collector-only figures every year, while Mattel still retain the license to continue as they are. That would make the most sense. But given how fast the Figuarts figures ended up clearance and discounted, I don't know what kind of high end toy market there is for WWE compared to other properties. I think the big difference between the Figuarts range and NECA is the price range. Every NECA figure I've bought has been sold around £25. Looking right now, I'm seeing the Figuarts range being sold for £55. I don't know if that was their original price or a price reduction, but that's still over double the cost of a NECA figure. For what it is, I think that's just too much, and the Figuarts range has always looked a bit weird to me, because it just has too much articulation. The torso articulation just ruins the look in my opinion. I also personally feel that including multiple swappable heads and hands is just a waste, perhaps it's just because swappable body parts doesn't appeal to me. I think if NECA just kept it simple and made high-quality collectors WWE figures like they would any other range, with the necessary articulation, only a couple of swappable body parts at the most, no torso articulation, just a couple of accessories per figure, it would be a viable option.
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Post by master of the WORLD! on Jun 8, 2018 16:19:19 GMT -5
failing no but i speak for myself when i say that i buy A LOT less than i did a few years ago. i use to buy whole sets of elites abd sone basics. now i buy maybe 1-2 figures every 10 sets.
i collect more higher end stuff and imports now. you pay more but you also pay for what you get. now when i look at mattels stuff i view them basically as glorified kids toys with an "adult collector" label thrown on them
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Post by hitman1072 on Jun 8, 2018 16:57:44 GMT -5
Not to be a dick but I kinda wish they would fail and we could have some other company make wwe figures. Mattel has dropped the ball too many times and keep making too many cash grab decisions that are bullcrap. Did you really mean for this to be in a public forum?
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Post by LA Times on Jun 8, 2018 17:12:50 GMT -5
I believe Mattel WWE was in the top 2 action figure sales for last year. So I’m sure they will be fine... TRU didn’t go out of business because of poor sales, it was dead in the water 2005 when the parent company brought it and place a whole bunch of bad debt on the company. Someone way smarter then I can explain this - but from what read, it’s business model and turnover was fine and only a few months ago, it was planned to update some stores etc. Bain Capital used $5 billion debt to purchase Toys R Us and every dollar TRU made since the purchase went to paying off the debt. Without the debt, even if TRU wasnt turning a profit, they couldve turned business around in a few years if given the chance. But because of the debt and TRU not turning a profit since 2013, they were forced to liquidate. I have no idea how a purchase like that was approved, because I can go out and buy any business I want if I borrowed $5 billion and never able to pay it back.
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Post by Vamp55 on Jun 8, 2018 19:00:28 GMT -5
I believe Mattel WWE was in the top 2 action figure sales for last year. So I’m sure they will be fine... TRU didn’t go out of business because of poor sales, it was dead in the water 2005 when the parent company brought it and place a whole bunch of bad debt on the company. Someone way smarter then I can explain this - but from what read, it’s business model and turnover was fine and only a few months ago, it was planned to update some stores etc. Bain Capital used $5 billion debt to purchase Toys R Us and every dollar TRU made since the purchase went to paying off the debt. Without the debt, even if TRU wasnt turning a profit, they couldve turned business around in a few years if given the chance. But because of the debt and TRU not turning a profit since 2013, they were forced to liquidate. I have no idea how a purchase like that was approved, because I can go out and buy any business I want if I borrowed $5 billion and never able to pay it back. I knew someone would help me out. So basically it was brought with bad debt...
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Post by qdogg on Jun 8, 2018 19:45:54 GMT -5
kids don't want toys anymore they want expensive electronic stuff
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Post by madness86 on Jun 8, 2018 19:55:36 GMT -5
Not to be a dick but I kinda wish they would fail and we could have some other company make wwe figures. Mattel has dropped the ball too many times and keep making too many cash grab decisions that are bullcrap. Did you really mean for this to be in a public forum? Yes I did.
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Post by LA Times on Jun 8, 2018 20:04:13 GMT -5
Did you really mean for this to be in a public forum? Yes I did. So if you were in charge of licensing for the WWE, what toymaker would you want to be making the figures? There arent too many options out there.
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Post by stc13 on Jun 8, 2018 20:07:57 GMT -5
As awesome as Neca/WWE would be, Neca has never made a mass produced toy line on this scale. Give me the return of WWE Hasbro and I think we essentially get WWE meets Marvel Legends. That line blows the doors off of the Mattel WWE line and Hasbro is the more successful company, so WWE would jump on it. At the end of the day it comes down to which company will pay WWE the most money for licensing rights and % of sales. Hasbro is the larger company, but you could probably argue that the WWE contract is more important to Mattel. It's their biggest licensed property (especially with the train wreck that has been the DC lines), while Hasbro has strong properties in Marvel and Star Wars, plus other strong boys lines with Transformers and GI Joe and taking on Power Rangers. Mattel may be willing to overpay to keep the license. I can't see NECA ever jumping into a high cost license. They specialize in collector-oriented nostalgia properties. The cost of those licenses is a fraction of what it would cost to license WWE or Marvel. I guarantee if NECA was paying 10-20 times more for the license of a major property than what they pay for Predator or horror films, the figure quality would fall off a cliff real fast.
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Post by powerfred3k on Jun 8, 2018 20:54:21 GMT -5
I believe Mattel WWE was in the top 2 action figure sales for last year. So I’m sure they will be fine... TRU didn’t go out of business because of poor sales, it was dead in the water 2005 when the parent company brought it and place a whole bunch of bad debt on the company. Someone way smarter then I can explain this - but from what read, it’s business model and turnover was fine and only a few months ago, it was planned to update some stores etc. Bain Capital used $5 billion debt to purchase Toys R Us and every dollar TRU made since the purchase went to paying off the debt. Without the debt, even if TRU wasnt turning a profit, they couldve turned business around in a few years if given the chance. But because of the debt and TRU not turning a profit since 2013, they were forced to liquidate. I have no idea how a purchase like that was approved, because I can go out and buy any business I want if I borrowed $5 billion and never able to pay it back. Wow wait so it was legit 5 years ago since toysrus made money ? If thats true then they where definitely paying toy companies with bad checks, credit cards, and iou's. Also to answer the above post, mattel is not making money right now. You can't overpay if you don't have any money to pay for something... I can't see Neca as much as i love them taking over the wwe license, simply because they don't have the manpower or money to do so. They would probably have to open another office and hire a bunch of people to take on that license. So even if they did all that, my guess is they would get stretched thin and quality would suffer. Best bet is probably hasbro, either then getting the license or buying mattel and taking it over.
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Post by LA Times on Jun 8, 2018 21:13:04 GMT -5
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