havoc7179
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Post by havoc7179 on Jun 8, 2018 8:47:31 GMT -5
This is going to inevitably turn into a Roman bashing thread, I get it. But, I'm hoping we can discuss something illogical about Vince McMahon's booking of people in general:
Vince does not see WWE as a sport, but sports entertainment. As a result wins and losses don't matter, so we get 50/50 booking. I don't care about how one feels about it, it's just the way it is.
But, when it comes to Roman, he has taken a sports approach to his booking. Vince seems to think that the only reason a majority of the older audience doesn't cheer for Roman is because they don't view him as legitimate. So, he books him to beat "better" wrestlers such as Daniel Bryan, John Cena, Undertaker, AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar and others who have a connection with the crowd. He then seems shocked that the plan didn't work.
Take for example the events leading up to Mania where they had Roman go over Daniel Bryan. It seems that Vince's plan was a win over Bryan would legitimize Roman in the eyes of the older audience as it would make it seem like Roman was better than Bryan. That's booking wrestling as a sport where wins and losses matter.
Why does it seem that Vince uses a more sports approach to booking Roman than a sports entertainment approach? Is it because Roman has no identifiable character?
If this is unclear, I can give one example that makes the most sense to me at least. You have UFC which is not sports entertainment. (I don't follow it so excuse me if this is wrong). Connor McGregor comes in a demolishes people. People see him as a legit bad@$$. People want to see him fight and destroy competition. He beats favorites, and is applauded for his dominance.
You have WWE which is not a sport. Roman Reigns demolishes all of our favorites but because we know its scripted, we know that this is too much. Yet, Vince thinks that the way to get him over is to keep amassing wins over favorites. No one buys it because it's scripted.
Why doesn't he change approach?
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Post by T R W on Jun 8, 2018 10:32:54 GMT -5
He doesn't change approach because he is making money hand over fist. The same reason Wal-Mart doesn't improve their stores or pay their workers better. They don't have to because they keep getting richer.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jun 8, 2018 12:49:43 GMT -5
He doesn't change approach because he is making money hand over fist. The same reason Wal-Mart doesn't improve their stores or pay their workers better. They don't have to because they keep getting richer. /thread
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Post by J12 on Jun 8, 2018 13:28:05 GMT -5
I don't view booking the "top babyface" in the company as the strongest character on the show as a sports approach. That's how it's always been done, especially under the McMahon family name, even before Vince became obsessed with the term "sports entertainment."
He's settled on Roman and he's plowing forward, come hell or high water. He has no reason to change his strategy because the company is about to become more profitable than its ever been despite Roman Reigns. Could the company be better off if Roman were in a more naturally suited role? Probably. But, hindsight is always 20/20. They got their new TV deals with lower ratings than ever and a largely bad product. They have no reason to change anything.
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Post by finnbalor1 on Jun 9, 2018 0:58:45 GMT -5
He doesn't change approach because he is making money hand over fist. The same reason Wal-Mart doesn't improve their stores or pay their workers better. They don't have to because they keep getting richer. I dont think you can answer the question any better then this .
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Jun 11, 2018 13:08:44 GMT -5
He did the same with John Cena. And regardless of what anyone wants to say, they lost a couple million viewers over the course of Cena’s reign. And if he continues on course with Reigns, things won’t get any better.
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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on Jun 11, 2018 14:02:43 GMT -5
He did the same with John Cena. And regardless of what anyone wants to say, they lost a couple million viewers over the course of Cena’s reign. And if he continues on course with Reigns, things won’t get any better. There will always be a couple million new viewers as kids get into it. I work at a school, and the kids Love John Cena & Roman Reigns, they all have their shirts, binders, and tons of other merchandise. I am sure they don’t care u are not buying a figure because Kids wants millions of John Cena and Reigns stuff.
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Post by Codyverse: Tag Team Champion on Jun 11, 2018 14:34:42 GMT -5
He did the same with John Cena. And regardless of what anyone wants to say, they lost a couple million viewers over the course of Cena’s reign. And if he continues on course with Reigns, things won’t get any better. There will always be a couple million new viewers as kids get into it. I work at a school, and the kids Love John Cena & Roman Reigns, they all have their shirts, binders, and tons of other merchandise. I am sure they don’t care u are not buying a figure because Kids wants millions of John Cena and Reigns stuff. I never said they lost kid’s interest. Kids basically rejuvenate their own viewership every few years. Some continue to watch. Some don’t. My point is about adult viewership. They lost millions of adult viewers over the course of Cena’s time on top. They haven’t gotten them back and Roman isn’t going to bring them back. After Cena took over, WWE slowly forgot how to properly book top talent other than the top guy. When Austin was on top, they still properly booked the big names. They haven’t properly booked big names that are full time talent not named John Cena or Roman Reigns in 8 years. If not more. Nothing I said really even has anything to do with kids or whether or not I buy figures.
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vampiro666
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Post by vampiro666 on Jun 11, 2018 16:56:15 GMT -5
I think vince needs to take a look back at the first few words he said in the attitude era super bowl commercial realize it and stand by them now like he was back then cause that's exactly what they have been doing to us for the past few years now
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Post by k5 on Jun 11, 2018 21:59:12 GMT -5
what is over produced and corporate driven that is not creatively sterile?
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walkingturtles
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Post by walkingturtles on Jun 11, 2018 23:05:28 GMT -5
This is going to inevitably turn into a Roman bashing thread, I get it. But, I'm hoping we can discuss something illogical about Vince McMahon's booking of people in general: Vince does not see WWE as a sport, but sports entertainment. As a result wins and losses don't matter, so we get 50/50 booking. I don't care about how one feels about it, it's just the way it is. But, when it comes to Roman, he has taken a sports approach to his booking. Vince seems to think that the only reason a majority of the older audience doesn't cheer for Roman is because they don't view him as legitimate. So, he books him to beat "better" wrestlers such as Daniel Bryan, John Cena, Undertaker, AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar and others who have a connection with the crowd. He then seems shocked that the plan didn't work. Take for example the events leading up to Mania where they had Roman go over Daniel Bryan. It seems that Vince's plan was a win over Bryan would legitimize Roman in the eyes of the older audience as it would make it seem like Roman was better than Bryan. That's booking wrestling as a sport where wins and losses matter. Why does it seem that Vince uses a more sports approach to booking Roman than a sports entertainment approach? Is it because Roman has no identifiable character? If this is unclear, I can give one example that makes the most sense to me at least. You have UFC which is not sports entertainment. (I don't follow it so excuse me if this is wrong). Connor McGregor comes in a demolishes people. People see him as a legit bad@$$. People want to see him fight and destroy competition. He beats favorites, and is applauded for his dominance. You have WWE which is not a sport. Roman Reigns demolishes all of our favorites but because we know its scripted, we know that this is too much. Yet, Vince thinks that the way to get him over is to keep amassing wins over favorites. No one buys it because it's scripted. Why doesn't he change approach? Adult fans are turned off because Roman is very average both in the ring and the mic. I also discussed this in another thread, Roman was an athlete/jock at a high level. He has a natural douchebag personality and demeanor. This turns fans off, especially when you want us all to like him. Adult fans know it’s a scripted show and not a sport. Wins over “legit” talent are irrelevant, adult fans look for good in ring work, good mic work, and good story telling. Guys like Bryan and AJ deliver that. Creative is lacking, booking is incompetent but Vince doesn’t care because he has finally built a core audience that is making him rich. They use to do 6/7s, but in today’s cord cutting/massive options of cable, a 2/3 is golden.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Jun 12, 2018 9:17:26 GMT -5
He doesn't change approach because he is making money hand over fist. The same reason Wal-Mart doesn't improve their stores or pay their workers better. They don't have to because they keep getting richer. /thread
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