Billy the Kid
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Post by Billy the Kid on Jun 13, 2018 23:04:30 GMT -5
As a backstory, I am a mid-level manager for a major global company. I am confident in saying saying that 100% of people reading this thread have heard of the company I work for. The specific location I work for makes two products, for anonymity, let's say Type A and Type B, neither is more important than the other.
I oversee the manufacturing of Type A. I have been in this role for a little over 1 year. I came into the company as an outsider and was immediately assigned to a team of "misfits," basically the remainders after a "draft" so to speak. According to my direct supervisor, I came in and immediately started making a difference in management style and culture. Fast forward one year and my team of "misfits" is the highest performing team of our Type A product. He has consistently given me positive feedback about my performance.
Today, I was presented with an opportunity to fill a vacancy on the Type B management team. This would mean a complete change of process and obviously my entire team would be different. The reason for this vacancy is they recently fired a manager that started with me who was not a fit. But the reason for the opportunity is what I am questioning. The ideal candidate (who is already a part of my company, not an outsider) for the vacancy has a conflict of interest with the direct supervisor (different than my direct supervisor). According to my boss, this direct supervisor requested me to fill his vacancy while the ideal candidate fills my old position. My boss said 5-6 times during our discussion that it's a positive thing and I should think positively but I am the type of person that overthinks every little thing.
I have two parts in my mind, one being that I have shown that I can turn around teams that are possibly "misfits" or "lost causes" and that it's been proven. Or the other part of me that is concerned that I am being looked at as expendable in order to bring in this other candidate that they see having more potential? I am not sure what to think. I am planning on bringing these topics up to my boss and gauge his reaction/response. I can't imagine they would make a big deal about me moving to this role if they wanted me to fail, as that would be a reflection on them.
Can anyone please offer some advice/assistance/guidance/tidbits/etc?
Thank you!
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 14, 2018 0:38:34 GMT -5
If you work in the private sector, you are definitely expendable. Nobody's safe.
That being said, do you even have the choice? Is the pay better?
If the pay is better, take the money and run with is as much as you can.
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Post by alanpartridge on Jun 14, 2018 9:51:10 GMT -5
I would try and stay with Team A (if you have a choice in the matter). It sounds like your boss is trying to get rid of you and then he gets all the cred for Team A. In business honesty isn't always the best policy. I'd tell your boss that this guy who's going to replace you is better suited to Team B. When you are backed up against a wall GO TO THE MATTRESSES!
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Post by 6 seasons and a movie on Jun 14, 2018 19:09:54 GMT -5
Tricky situation your in.
If you move over and it isn't a good fit you could be in jeopardy of getting fired.
If you stay where your at, you might be seen as not being a team player and be at risk if things change. Depends on how much they want this to go down.
But if you do go over and it does work out you have proven to be a good lead for two groups and two products and could be looking at further promotions in the future.
So it's kind of a risk vs reward kind of thing. Not sure if the money will be different or how your relationship with a direct supervisor will be changed.
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Post by Sting on Jun 14, 2018 19:34:30 GMT -5
Follow your heart.
Haha
If I can be serious for a minute ... I think, in the private sector, change is good. Innovation trumps complacency. I think you should move on to Team B. If you’ve taken Team A as far as you can then what else is there for you to do there?
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 14, 2018 19:41:22 GMT -5
You work for a company that makes 2 products...Type A & Type B and neither are more important then the other....
So tell us, are you over Right Twix or Left Twix?
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 14, 2018 20:49:09 GMT -5
You work for a company that makes 2 products...Type A & Type B and neither are more important then the other.... So tell us, are you over Right Twix or Left Twix? I think you deciphered the code. |
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Post by Billy the Kid on Jun 14, 2018 22:55:40 GMT -5
You work for a company that makes 2 products...Type A & Type B and neither are more important then the other.... So tell us, are you over Right Twix or Left Twix?  |
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Post by TheLastDude on Jun 14, 2018 23:32:27 GMT -5
First question: Why was the manager that was fired not a "good fit"? I'm sure you're not privy to staffing decisions, but I'm also sure there's enough "word going around" for you to piece together what happened. If the guy managing Team B asked for you specifically, that's a good thing. It means you're known as a mover and/or shaker.
Second question: What's the conflict of interest? Are they related? If so, I don't think you have anything to worry about in the way of "they're going to get rid of you just to move the other person over". If they're related, that's not likely to change unless it's through marriage.
Third question: Could this lead to something even bigger? If so, you'd be a fool not to take it. It shows you're adaptable (especially if you bring a high level of governance to this new team and work well with them).
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Post by Billy the Kid on Jun 15, 2018 2:05:14 GMT -5
First question: Why was the manager that was fired not a "good fit"? I'm sure you're not privy to staffing decisions, but I'm also sure there's enough "word going around" for you to piece together what happened. If the guy managing Team B asked for you specifically, that's a good thing. It means you're known as a mover and/or shaker. Second question: What's the conflict of interest? Are they related? If so, I don't think you have anything to worry about in the way of "they're going to get rid of you just to move the other person over". If they're related, that's not likely to change unless it's through marriage. Third question: Could this lead to something even bigger? If so, you'd be a fool not to take it. It shows you're adaptable (especially if you bring a high level of governance to this new team and work well with them). To make a long story short, the manager that was fired wasn't a good fit for our company's culture. As you stated, I am not privy to the exact details, but I know enough to make my own assumptions. The conflict of interest is indeed a relation, through marriage; but still a conflict. This move could give me an edge for further development in the future. My boss specifically told me he sees bigger things for me in the future. This whole situation kills me to not be able to speak to any of my direct peers, especially my other shift partners who I have developed friendships with during my tenure. I know I can succeed at this new role and I am most likely going to take it but part of me can help but wonder if I am expendable. And as for the post about all people being expendable and nobody being safe, that actually is wrong, in my company anyway. My job is safe for as long as I continue to succeed. The average of time in at my company for employees is 15 years, there are people here that have been year longer than I am alive. Also.... happy belated birthday, TheLastDude! |
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Jun 15, 2018 6:36:07 GMT -5
why wouldn't you just tell us if you're selling the propane or the propane accessories?
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Post by Tim of thee on Jun 15, 2018 11:39:12 GMT -5
First question: Why was the manager that was fired not a "good fit"? I'm sure you're not privy to staffing decisions, but I'm also sure there's enough "word going around" for you to piece together what happened. If the guy managing Team B asked for you specifically, that's a good thing. It means you're known as a mover and/or shaker. Second question: What's the conflict of interest? Are they related? If so, I don't think you have anything to worry about in the way of "they're going to get rid of you just to move the other person over". If they're related, that's not likely to change unless it's through marriage. Third question: Could this lead to something even bigger? If so, you'd be a fool not to take it. It shows you're adaptable (especially if you bring a high level of governance to this new team and work well with them). To make a long story short, the manager that was fired wasn't a good fit for our company's culture. As you stated, I am not privy to the exact details, but I know enough to make my own assumptions. The conflict of interest is indeed a relation, through marriage; but still a conflict. This move could give me an edge for further development in the future. My boss specifically told me he sees bigger things for me in the future. This whole situation kills me to not be able to speak to any of my direct peers, especially my other shift partners who I have developed friendships with during my tenure. I know I can succeed at this new role and I am most likely going to take it but part of me can help but wonder if I am expendable. And as for the post about all people being expendable and nobody being safe, that actually is wrong, in my company anyway. My job is safe for as long as I continue to succeed. The average of time in at my company for employees is 15 years, there are people here that have been year longer than I am alive. Also.... happy belated birthday, TheLastDude! If it pays better you better take it, considering you like what you do to some degree. |
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Post by TheLastDude on Jun 15, 2018 14:42:20 GMT -5
First question: Why was the manager that was fired not a "good fit"? I'm sure you're not privy to staffing decisions, but I'm also sure there's enough "word going around" for you to piece together what happened. If the guy managing Team B asked for you specifically, that's a good thing. It means you're known as a mover and/or shaker. Second question: What's the conflict of interest? Are they related? If so, I don't think you have anything to worry about in the way of "they're going to get rid of you just to move the other person over". If they're related, that's not likely to change unless it's through marriage. Third question: Could this lead to something even bigger? If so, you'd be a fool not to take it. It shows you're adaptable (especially if you bring a high level of governance to this new team and work well with them). To make a long story short, the manager that was fired wasn't a good fit for our company's culture. As you stated, I am not privy to the exact details, but I know enough to make my own assumptions. The conflict of interest is indeed a relation, through marriage; but still a conflict. This move could give me an edge for further development in the future. My boss specifically told me he sees bigger things for me in the future. This whole situation kills me to not be able to speak to any of my direct peers, especially my other shift partners who I have developed friendships with during my tenure. I know I can succeed at this new role and I am most likely going to take it but part of me can help but wonder if I am expendable. And as for the post about all people being expendable and nobody being safe, that actually is wrong, in my company anyway. My job is safe for as long as I continue to succeed. The average of time in at my company for employees is 15 years, there are people here that have been year longer than I am alive. Also.... happy belated birthday, TheLastDude ! All fair points. It's difficult to not think you're an unnecessary wheel when they can so easily move you to a new position, but it really does sound like they're giving you an opportunity to put your wares on display. If you can do this job as well or better than your old one, then you've got your foot in the door for a Jeffersons style trip on up. Good luck with whatever you choose to do, but it sounds like it might be a good idea to lean towards accepting. And thank you! |
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 15, 2018 17:04:07 GMT -5
I think maybe you're looking at this the wrong way. It seems that your management saw how you turned your team of misfits around and they might want you to work the same magic on this other team. (Would that make you General Section, btw?) Take the opportunity and run with. You work for a company that makes 2 products...Type A & Type B and neither are more important then the other.... So tell us, are you over Right Twix or Left Twix? Hey  you. Right Twix is clearly better! Sorry, I couldn't resist |
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 15, 2018 17:54:40 GMT -5
I think maybe you're looking at this the wrong way. It seems that your management saw how you turned your team of misfits around and they might want you to work the same magic on this other team. (Would that make you General Section, btw?) Take the opportunity and run with. You work for a company that makes 2 products...Type A & Type B and neither are more important then the other.... So tell us, are you over Right Twix or Left Twix? Hey you. Right Twix is clearly better! Sorry, I couldn't resist Of course...the Right is always better! |
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Post by Billy the Kid on Jun 15, 2018 19:41:50 GMT -5
Thanks to everyone who has responded constructively. The job actually is in the same pay grade as my current role, so I wouldn't be receiving an increase although I could probably ask for something if I had the grapefruits to do so.
It's funny someone mentioned Twix, as I do work for Mars, Inc haha, didn't feel the need for anonymity when you guys really have no idea who I am anyway lol.
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Post by The Brain on Jun 15, 2018 19:52:24 GMT -5
TheLastDude Damn your birthday just past? Why didn't you tell me!! I would've got ya a big carvel cake lol Happy belated birthday my friend.
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Post by TheLastDude on Jun 15, 2018 20:34:52 GMT -5
TheLastDude Damn your birthday just past? Why didn't you tell me!! I would've got ya a big carvel cake lol Happy belated birthday my friend. Yes sir, it was yesterday. It's all good, I don't really make a big deal out of my birthday. But I had a good day yesterday. Thanks for the wishes though, I appreciate it! |
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Post by Darkhawk on Jun 16, 2018 0:45:26 GMT -5
I would say that if you go to Team B that you would want a raise, it doesn't hurt to ask especially since you're going over to another team to improve it which will require more work than an already established Team A.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jun 16, 2018 8:24:43 GMT -5
Stay where you are if you can. The situation fits you. The people you work for and with are obviously compatible with you. That may not be the case if you move. For equal money, I wouldn't do it.
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