FUSamBaker
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Biggest crush on Sami Zayn.
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Post by FUSamBaker on Jun 19, 2018 20:08:02 GMT -5
I’d rather just see a small guide on facts, pictures of the Hasbros, proto pics. Maybe some fan customs ect.
Price guides always blew chunks for me. Especially when dealers tried to bring them up while haggling prices.
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Post by Ruby Fusion on Jun 20, 2018 2:59:42 GMT -5
First of; there's no such thing as a going rate. Let's take U.S. card Hasbro WWF Ultimate Warrior 3 as an example. He sells for $150 in one auction, for $117 in another and for $382 in another one. What's your going rate? $382, $117 or $150? Is your going rate the average: $216.33? Now let's say someone has a Hasbro WWF Ultimate Warrior 3 U.S. card, sees the one that sold for $382 and thinks, heck I sell mine with a BIN of $450! Some desperate buyer even pays the $450. Is the going rate $450 now? What if a guy who knows nothing about Hasbro WWF figures puts on a Hasbro WWF Ultimate Warrior 3 U.S. card with a very vague title and sells it eventually for $65? Is that the going rate now? What if a guy puts one up for $1,199 but eventually accepts an offer we don't see, say $499? These things happen: sellers who think they own solid gold and try to sell for $1000+ (and eventually settle for a lower unknown offer) and sellers who don't know what they have and sell way below the average price. In the end a Hasbro WWF is a mass produced item with constantly fluctuating value. That's why price guides are a waste and going rates don't exist. Of course there's a going rate. If a figure is consistently selling for between 20-30 for a few months that's the going rate. If it goes up to 50-60 for a while that's the going rate. Can't understand why you'd make a comment that's so obviously wrong Where you price it between those prices depends how quickly.you want to sell it and the condition 20-30 and 50-60 are estimates. Which is correct. Price guides and going rates imply a fixed price.
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Post by MKSavage on Jun 20, 2018 8:05:03 GMT -5
I’d rather just see a small guide on facts, pictures of the Hasbros, proto pics. Maybe some fan customs ect.
Price guides always blew chunks for me. Especially when dealers tried to bring them up while haggling prices. I would also throw in the sketches of the hasbro's, I always thought those looked sweet.
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mtime989
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Post by mtime989 on Jun 20, 2018 21:29:30 GMT -5
I have tracked eBay sold listings in the US for carded sealed US cards is very good displayable condition. You can see my post from January 18 with my first 3 months of sales tracking. The supply and demand thing is isn’t making sense with eBay sales to almost an aggravating rate. Let me give a few examples. Based on sold MOC US card listings from 10/1/17 to 6/1/18.
Series 10 HBK There are 2 versions of this figure. The repeat from Series 7 (White Pants) or the “Rare” Black and Silver pants Version. The average selling price of the white version is $121.50 and the black version $121.05. So HBK Series 10 basically trends around $121. However the “Rare” Black Version has 25 sold listings vs the white pants having 9 sold listings. Which one is more rare in supply? Doesn’t it appear the more common is more in demand?
Series 11 123 Kid So it seems pretty common knowledge that the green card series is expensive to buy at the moment. One of the the highest average price sold figure is the 123 Kid. Kid averages $325. There are 31 sold listings for this figure (most the series, 2nd is evil crush at 22 sold listings). The least available figure with the lowest supply is Billy Gunn with only 14 sold listings and it’s average price is $212.50. Highest Supply has the highest cost, lowest supply has the lowest cost.
In reality, the market is all over the place. I keep record to make me feel better about trying to pay under or at the average price for the figures. A price guide doesn’t work in my eyes due to not having a finite definition of condition. The value of an item is only the amount someone is willing to actually pay for it.
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RedDevil
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Post by RedDevil on Jun 23, 2018 10:40:10 GMT -5
I have tracked eBay sold listings in the US for carded sealed US cards is very good displayable condition. You can see my post from January 18 with my first 3 months of sales tracking. The supply and demand thing is isn’t making sense with eBay sales to almost an aggravating rate. Let me give a few examples. Based on sold MOC US card listings from 10/1/17 to 6/1/18. Series 10 HBK There are 2 versions of this figure. The repeat from Series 7 (White Pants) or the “Rare” Black and Silver pants Version. The average selling price of the white version is $121.50 and the black version $121.05. So HBK Series 10 basically trends around $121. However the “Rare” Black Version has 25 sold listings vs the white pants having 9 sold listings. Which one is more rare in supply? Doesn’t it appear the more common is more in demand? Series 11 123 Kid So it seems pretty common knowledge that the green card series is expensive to buy at the moment. One of the the highest average price sold figure is the 123 Kid. Kid averages $325. There are 31 sold listings for this figure (most the series, 2nd is evil crush at 22 sold listings). The least available figure with the lowest supply is Billy Gunn with only 14 sold listings and it’s average price is $212.50. Highest Supply has the highest cost, lowest supply has the lowest cost. In reality, the market is all over the place. I keep record to make me feel better about trying to pay under or at the average price for the figures. A price guide doesn’t work in my eyes due to not having a finite definition of condition. The value of an item is only the amount someone is willing to actually pay for it. I remember your post with the averages of the previous three months - thanks for posting that, I’ve referred to those numbers when I’ve been looking at some of the figures I need to finish my collection, despite the UK market appearing to be even crazier than the US Hasbro market, it’s been useful to have that as a reference point on the very few figures I’ve been able to add at somewhat-reasonable prices recently, but those numbers must be out of date now given the endless upsurge in prices. I read a conspiracy theory on one of the Facebook Hasbro groups that the market price for Hasbros is being manipulated by certain sellers to inflate prices for their own profit - sort of like that they focus on certain figures so they end-up with multiples of the same guy bought at high prices in order to shrink the amount of available stock of that figure whilst moving the market price higher with those high winning bids. That would explain why a loose Crush 3 has suddenly become such a value figure compared to the other green cards, or why an English card Greg Valentine went from being a £20-ish figure to a £60 figure in less than a year, or like with the second Big Boss Man who goes for that sort of price now as well (in the UK at least). I remember missing-out on a MOC Shawn Michaels 3 (white pants) last year by a small amount of change that finished at about half the price the figure seems to go for now; Bart Gunn I bought around Easter 2017 for about half of what he and Billy each go for in the market now - any price guide that could have an influence on that would be welcomed, but seems impossible to put together at this rate of inflation.
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drnickriviera995
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Post by drnickriviera995 on Jun 24, 2018 9:51:35 GMT -5
I also think it's strange how these sellers from Japan seem to have a large supply of the super rare MOCs (green series red card bret/taker and series 3 English) and not really selling anything more common.
They do seem to be legit sellers btw for anyone wondering. At least the one guy is, I bought a 123 Kid, Red Card Bret, English Beefcake 2, and English Warrior 3 within the past month or so. Everything arrived speedy and just as pictured. He did come down about 20-30% or so on the asking prices too depending on the figure.
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