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Post by theMOESIAH on Jun 18, 2018 23:35:54 GMT -5
I'm actually having a hard time finding the words to describe this. It took a minute to write the subject line. But apparently Sid did not realize that he was headlining WrestleMania WHILE HE WAS HEADLINING WRESTLEMANIA. That's not a typo, he is claiming that this is true. I know this should go in the Classic Wrestling board but this needs as many eyes on it as possible. My apologizes to marino13. Not for posting this here but for tagging him so it's all but guaranteed that he'll read this nonsense. Sid Justice was a recent guest on Prime Time With Sean Mooney; you can read a few transcribed highlights and listen to the clips below: (Transcription credit to Bill Pritchard for Wrestlezone.com) Sid on working with Hulk Hogan, reaction to Sid during that era: Sid Justice Reveals The Biggest Mistake Of His CareerSid comments on working his first Wrestlemania, why he gave notice to quit after the event: Read more at www.mandatory.com/wrestlezone/news/966433-sid-justice-on-hulk-hogans-three-stooges-routine-says-he-doesnt-remember-working-his-first-wrestlemania#uZyHtZzxRjQvurBw.99 |
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Post by marino13 on Jun 19, 2018 0:02:00 GMT -5
I was reading this earlier. And I have a few bullet points...
I am not surprised to hear that about Hulk. None of it.
Maybe if Hulk had changed things up a bit, he wouldn't have started hearing more and more boos? His s**t was old long before that IMO.
In a way, I'm not surprised to find out Sid doesn't know where he's at most times. Considering he's got half the mind that Nash does.
I will move this to the Classic board. But it's a good thing. Cause you'll probably get more mature discussion there as opposed to it turning into a Roman bash thread somehow.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jun 19, 2018 10:36:22 GMT -5
I know this is msotly about Sid, but I have a comment about hogan.
Hogan seemed to be set in his ways. He seemed to think he knew what would work for his character. How on earth did Eric Bischoff of all people convince him to go heel? Eric was unproven at the time. I'm sure Vince had asked Hogan to go heel and was vetoed. Or if Vince didn't, doesn't matter. Point is, I'm sure Hogan would have had no issue doing what Vince wanted as Vince was the leader in pro-wrestling at teh time. Why would someone so protective of his character trust Eric Bischoff?
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Post by RWF on Jun 19, 2018 10:52:13 GMT -5
Are you SURE Vince asked Hogan to go heel? Cause I don't believe that for a second. Vince NEVER turned a babyface heel like that, especially someone on top. Hell, he won't turn Roman Reigns or John Cena heel now for the exact same reason. It's way too much of a risk. So the idea that Hogan stopped Vince from turning him heel, just sounds like someone crapting on Hogan for the sole purpose to crap on Hogan.
And yeah, Hulk was protective of his character. Why wouldn't he be? The most successful act in the history of wrestling at that time (and arguably ever still) with a formula that worked for a very long time. A formula that made Hogan a household name, tons of money, endorsement deals, etc... Yeah. I'd be very protective and leery of that too.
And I dunno about Hogan "acting like a woman" as Sid said, because Sid's credibility isn't particularly good here. I mean, he apparently didn't even know he was at Wrestlemania? Of course he knew he was at Wrestlemania. Sid's full of nonsense. So why would anything he said about Hogan be the gospel? Clearly he didn't like his WWF run, and I don't blame him, a lot of things went wrong and didn't go as planned and he made a lot less money in WWF than WCW, and screwed up a major WCW push for a half hearted WWF one. So I think he sort of has skewed his whole experience based on that.
And I totally get why Hogan would be mad at the Royal Rumble finish. IT DID make him look like an bunghole. And fans did boo... But it's kind of a false IWC story that Hogan was constantly booed. He got booed at the Royal Rumble and his reactions in general were less than they used to be, but Hogan was still getting like 90% cheers almost all of the time. So it's not like he was being booed out of the building like Cena or Reigns. He just wasn't as popular as he had been... But he was still far and away the most popular guy on the roster. But Vince and the WWF booked the Rumble like Hogan was still infallible and that just wasn't the case anymore. There WAS a time when Hogan could have pulled Sid out of the Rumble and not been booed... But that era was over and no one seemed to realize that. But afterwards I can totally understand why Hogan would be pissed, because if the crowd reaction is softening already, having him do halfass heel crap certainly wasn't going to help him get back to being 100% popular. It was going to make him look worse.
Hogan took a big risk when he turned heel with the nWo, but it paid off majorly. There's no way to know for sure, but I'm pretty certain that wouldn't have been the case had he turned heel in the WWF. Hogan still had a couple more good face years left in him and WCW was particularly ripe for the Hogan heel turn, because there was a percentage of the WCW base that never liked Hogan to begin with because he was the WWF guy. So WCW at Bash at the Beach was the perfect storm for him to turn. Doing anything else before then probably would have been a mistake.
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 19, 2018 13:10:58 GMT -5
Ill start by saying Im no Hogan defender...folks will know this about me.
Sorry lads....Sid has ZERO cred. He seems to forget situations he was involved in ALL THE TIME. Also the guy tried to assault Pillman with a f*ckin mop. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. Makes himself out to be one of wrestlings greats constantly....It would be helpful to his argument if he could get the number of the WM that UT beat him at right....LMFAO here.
Also on the Hogan getting booed thing.....go watch the SNME in Feb 92 where Sid turns on him. Hogan is over as hell. Just like he was @ RR92. Was it getting old? YES.
Hogan being booed at RR92 is also blown outta all proportion. Were there boos? yes....but they weren't like MCMahon getting booed the night after SSeries 98 or anything.... we weren't at WCW 1995 levels yet.
There are a few guys who raised eyebrows at Vinces decision for Hogan to be "unsporting" at RR92.....Flair has said it was booked to be the other way around initially......
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Post by koreygunz on Jun 19, 2018 14:02:51 GMT -5
Ill start by saying Im no Hogan defender...folks will know this about me. Sorry lads....Sid has ZERO cred. He seems to forget situations he was involved in ALL THE TIME. Also the guy tried to assault Pillman with a f*ckin mop. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. Makes himself out to be one of wrestlings greats constantly....It would be helpful to his argument if he could get the number of the WM that UT beat him at right....LMFAO here. Also on the Hogan getting booed thing.....go watch the SNME in Feb 92 where Sid turns on him. Hogan is over as hell. Just like he was @ RR92. Was it getting old? YES. Hogan being booed at RR92 is also blown outta all proportion. Were there boos? yes....but they weren't like MCMahon getting booed the night after SSeries 98 or anything.... we weren't at WCW 1995 levels yet. There are a few guys who raised eyebrows at Vinces decision for Hogan to be "unsporting" at RR92.....Flair has said it was booked to be the other way around initially...... If they'd simply reversed Hogan and Sid's roles in the match, it would have made much more sense. I'm still baffled by how they thought that outcome was going to get Sid booed. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 19, 2018 14:07:47 GMT -5
Ill start by saying Im no Hogan defender...folks will know this about me. Sorry lads....Sid has ZERO cred. He seems to forget situations he was involved in ALL THE TIME. Also the guy tried to assault Pillman with a f*ckin mop. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. Makes himself out to be one of wrestlings greats constantly....It would be helpful to his argument if he could get the number of the WM that UT beat him at right....LMFAO here. Also on the Hogan getting booed thing.....go watch the SNME in Feb 92 where Sid turns on him. Hogan is over as hell. Just like he was @ RR92. Was it getting old? YES. Hogan being booed at RR92 is also blown outta all proportion. Were there boos? yes....but they weren't like MCMahon getting booed the night after SSeries 98 or anything.... we weren't at WCW 1995 levels yet. There are a few guys who raised eyebrows at Vinces decision for Hogan to be "unsporting" at RR92.....Flair has said it was booked to be the other way around initially...... If they'd simply reversed Hogan and Sid's roles in the match, it would have made much more sense. I'm still baffled by how they thought that outcome was going to get Sid booed. Honestly? Vince couldn't have legit thought he would be booed. He was looking at Sid being Hogans replacement & he was in sore need of another top babyface with Warriors absence. I genuinely think he was pissed at Hogan for announcing before RR92 that he was outta there in April.....Vince can be very petty yaknow? LOL |
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Post by The Brain on Jun 19, 2018 14:41:19 GMT -5
I was reading this earlier. And I have a few bullet points... I am not surprised to hear that about Hulk. None of it. Maybe if Hulk had changed things up a bit, he wouldn't have started hearing more and more boos? His s**t was old long before that IMO. In a way, I'm not surprised to find out Sid doesn't know where he's at most times. Considering he's got half the mind that Nash does. I will move this to the Classic board. But it's a good thing. Cause you'll probably get more mature discussion there as opposed to it turning into a Roman bash thread somehow. Can't resist...
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Post by The Brain on Jun 19, 2018 14:46:41 GMT -5
On topic I do recall Vince wanting to push Sid to the top face spot since Hogan was leaving. Just no way in hell would Vince turn Hogan heel even though he did the heelish thing by helping eliminate Sid.
I'm a big Sid fan but he's definitely BS'n when he saids he didn't know he was going to main event that years Mania. As far as Hogan goes he's notorious for his backstage politics so I believe em there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 16:28:22 GMT -5
I could believe him on not knowing he was at Wrestlemania. If you could see through Sid's eyes,it would be a hud and you would see and hear broken bits of Morse code with lots of static crawling across it. Maybe some dancing squirrels as well.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 19, 2018 17:18:48 GMT -5
Ill start by saying Im no Hogan defender...folks will know this about me. Sorry lads....Sid has ZERO cred. He seems to forget situations he was involved in ALL THE TIME. Also the guy tried to assault Pillman with a f*ckin mop. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. Makes himself out to be one of wrestlings greats constantly....It would be helpful to his argument if he could get the number of the WM that UT beat him at right....LMFAO here. Also on the Hogan getting booed thing.....go watch the SNME in Feb 92 where Sid turns on him. Hogan is over as hell. Just like he was @ RR92. Was it getting old? YES. Hogan being booed at RR92 is also blown outta all proportion. Were there boos? yes....but they weren't like MCMahon getting booed the night after SSeries 98 or anything.... we weren't at WCW 1995 levels yet. There are a few guys who raised eyebrows at Vinces decision for Hogan to be "unsporting" at RR92.....Flair has said it was booked to be the other way around initially...... This 10000 times! Hogan was never booed...Ever! Yes as the years went by the cheers werent as loud as they were before and yes people cheered for other wrestlers too but Hogan was never booed. Hogan was still over as hell and could have carried the company for another year if no 2 had it not been for all the legal problems the WWF was in. That said, Sid "could" have been a guy who ultimate replaced Hogan as the top babyface but it wouldnt have worked. He had a look to him but the problem was Sid was an AWFUL face. Sid's best promos were as a heel. Sid "looked heel". On top of that who was Sid going to face to build himself up like Hogan did? There was no Andre, Bundy, Studd or Akeem to make him look "larger then life". He wasnt going to get cheered over Hogan, Warrior or Savage. Id go as far to say even Flair would get more cheers then him. All he had to work with was Taker & Kamala. Then destroy "little guys" from the mid card level like Bret, Shawn, Piper & Tatanka. |
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Post by The Brain on Jun 19, 2018 18:09:19 GMT -5
Ill start by saying Im no Hogan defender...folks will know this about me. Sorry lads....Sid has ZERO cred. He seems to forget situations he was involved in ALL THE TIME. Also the guy tried to assault Pillman with a f*ckin mop. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. Makes himself out to be one of wrestlings greats constantly....It would be helpful to his argument if he could get the number of the WM that UT beat him at right....LMFAO here. Also on the Hogan getting booed thing.....go watch the SNME in Feb 92 where Sid turns on him. Hogan is over as hell. Just like he was @ RR92. Was it getting old? YES. Hogan being booed at RR92 is also blown outta all proportion. Were there boos? yes....but they weren't like MCMahon getting booed the night after SSeries 98 or anything.... we weren't at WCW 1995 levels yet. There are a few guys who raised eyebrows at Vinces decision for Hogan to be "unsporting" at RR92.....Flair has said it was booked to be the other way around initially...... This 10000 times! Hogan was never booed...Ever! Yes as the years went by the cheers werent as loud as they were before and yes people cheered for other wrestlers too but Hogan was never booed. Hogan was still over as hell and could have carried the company for another year if no 2 had it not been for all the legal problems the WWF was in. That said, Sid "could" have been a guy who ultimate replaced Hogan as the top babyface but it wouldnt have worked. He had a look to him but the problem was Sid was an AWFUL face. Sid's best promos were as a heel. Sid "looked heel". On top of that who was Sid going to face to build himself up like Hogan did? There was no Andre, Bundy, Studd or Akeem to make him look "larger then life". He wasnt going to get cheered over Hogan, Warrior or Savage. Id go as far to say even Flair would get more cheers then him. All he had to work with was Taker & Kamala. Then destroy "little guys" from the mid card level like Bret, Shawn, Piper & Tatanka. You could tell when Sid eliminated Hogan from the Rumble the fans in the front row cheered it. He wasn't booed per say but you could tell the fans were getting tired of him. I remember on SStars when they showed it again they had to pipe in boos on Sid even though like I said the front row fans were cheering. As far as Sid as the top face yeah that would've failed. He's just a natural heel. He's better when he's squashing jobbers and screaming at the top of his lungs. |
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Post by marino13 on Jun 19, 2018 21:11:49 GMT -5
I started booing Hogan sometime between WM4 & WM 5. Does that count?
Sid is up there with Scott Steiner IMO. Neither guys words hold much value.
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Post by The Brain on Jun 19, 2018 21:30:07 GMT -5
I started booing Hogan sometime between WM4 & WM 5. Does that count? Sid is up there with Scott Steiner IMO. Neither guys words hold much value. That's true,But man were they entertaining on the mic. |
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Post by marino13 on Jun 19, 2018 21:39:04 GMT -5
I started booing Hogan sometime between WM4 & WM 5. Does that count? Sid is up there with Scott Steiner IMO. Neither guys words hold much value. That's true,But man were they entertaining on the mic. Meh, I suppose. Sid was decent cause you knew he'd stumble over his words eventually. Steiner was only entertaining because he would either say something offensive or it'd be a rambling mess. Most often than not, it was a lil of both. |
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Post by robbutler01 on Jun 20, 2018 1:27:15 GMT -5
If they'd simply reversed Hogan and Sid's roles in the match, it would have made much more sense. I'm still baffled by how they thought that outcome was going to get Sid booed. Honestly? Vince couldn't have legit thought he would be booed. He was looking at Sid being Hogans replacement since he had to can Bulldog & Warrior he was in sore need of another top babyface. I genuinely think he was pissed at Hogan for announcing before RR92 that he was outta there in April.....Vince can be very petty yaknow? LOL No sure if I've misunderstood you but Vince didn't can bulldog and warrior till the autumn of 92 so he wasn't trying turn sid face to replace them during the rumble 92. Agree about Vince being petty thought |
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Post by JokerFC on Jun 20, 2018 11:05:30 GMT -5
Honestly? Vince couldn't have legit thought he would be booed. He was looking at Sid being Hogans replacement since he had to can Bulldog & Warrior he was in sore need of another top babyface. I genuinely think he was pissed at Hogan for announcing before RR92 that he was outta there in April.....Vince can be very petty yaknow? LOL No sure if I've misunderstood you but Vince didn't can bulldog and warrior till the autumn of 92 so he wasn't trying turn sid face to replace them during the rumble 92. Agree about Vince being petty thought No your 100% right there man. I was thinking about 2 separate topics at the same time and my mind wandered a bit....ended up typing about the 2 boys too. I must go back and edit that out!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 12:23:42 GMT -5
Are you SURE Vince asked Hogan to go heel? Cause I don't believe that for a second. Vince NEVER turned a babyface heel like that, especially someone on top. I remember Vince turning his top babyface heel on April 1st 2001. |
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Post by k5 on Jun 21, 2018 9:27:58 GMT -5
claims he was a businessman that just cared about being paid but doesn’t realize the main event spot at mania assures you far more profit as a performer in the business he’s in? goofy stuff!
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Post by k5 on Jun 21, 2018 9:34:29 GMT -5
Are you SURE Vince asked Hogan to go heel? Cause I don't believe that for a second. Vince NEVER turned a babyface heel like that, especially someone on top. I remember Vince turning his top babyface heel on April 1st 2001. and then AGAIN a few months later at the Invasion ppv! |
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