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Post by @AnHonorablePod on Jun 24, 2018 18:33:05 GMT -5
They'd still draw the same amount no matter who was on the marquee. As long as the WWE is in that building, they'll sell the same amount of tickets. Yes and that WWE show will draw in many more fans than a ROH show would. Especially if you advertise Taker's first appearance in 6-7 years and most likely his last. I doubt MSG needed much convincing. Mania weekend elicits over 200,000 wrestling fans from around the world. Without knowing capacities for Barclays vs. MSG both buildings would be sold out, with fans being left out of both. It's bully behavior from the same company that promotes Be A Star campaign. Irony.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 24, 2018 18:36:29 GMT -5
Yes and that WWE show will draw in many more fans than a ROH show would. Especially if you advertise Taker's first appearance in 6-7 years and most likely his last. I doubt MSG needed much convincing. Mania weekend elicits over 200,000 wrestling fans from around the world. Without knowing capacities for Barclays vs. MSG both buildings would be sold out, with fans being left out of both. It's bully behavior from the same company that promotes Be A Star campaign. Irony. Yes, not wanting a rival show in a building your known for is exactly the same as bullying. Good call.
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Post by @AnHonorablePod on Jun 24, 2018 18:45:07 GMT -5
Mania weekend elicits over 200,000 wrestling fans from around the world. Without knowing capacities for Barclays vs. MSG both buildings would be sold out, with fans being left out of both. It's bully behavior from the same company that promotes Be A Star campaign. Irony. Yes, not wanting a rival show in a building your known for is exactly the same as bullying. Good call. If MSG was important to them, they'd run there. It's not, they're not. That's bullying.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 24, 2018 18:48:18 GMT -5
Yes, not wanting a rival show in a building your known for is exactly the same as bullying. Good call. If MSG was important to them, they'd run there. It's not, they're not. That's bullying. That's not bullying and now this has gotten stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 19:27:39 GMT -5
They'd still draw the same amount no matter who was on the marquee. As long as the WWE is in that building, they'll sell the same amount of tickets. Yes and that WWE show will draw in many more fans than a ROH show would. Especially if you advertise Taker's first appearance in 6-7 years and most likely his last. I doubt MSG needed much convincing. Most likely his last? He's going to wrestle until he can't anymore like Ric Flair. I'm sorry, but Undertaker should have retired a long time ago. Back on topic, if wwe doesn't want to spend the money to run tv at MSG, then they shouldn't have exclusivity anymore. If ROH wants to spend and can they shouldn't be stopped. WWE is afraid of competition! They dont want to ever possibly face another 1996 situation.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 24, 2018 19:40:43 GMT -5
Yes and that WWE show will draw in many more fans than a ROH show would. Especially if you advertise Taker's first appearance in 6-7 years and most likely his last. I doubt MSG needed much convincing. Most likely his last? He's going to wrestle until he can't anymore like Ric Flair. I'm sorry, but Undertaker should have retired a long time ago. Back on topic, if wwe doesn't want to spend the money to run tv at MSG, then they shouldn't have exclusivity anymore. If ROH wants to spend and can they shouldn't be stopped. WWE is afraid of competition! They dont want to ever possibly face another 1996 situation. I'm not denying he should have retired already. But as often as WWE holds shows there, then yeah, this is most likely his last match in MSG.
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Post by @AnHonorablePod on Jun 24, 2018 20:10:16 GMT -5
If MSG was important to them, they'd run there. It's not, they're not. That's bullying. That's not bullying and now this has gotten stupid. Let's take a look at the dictionary.com definition of the word bully, which for the purpose of this discourse I'll go with the noun form as opposed to the verb, bullying. bully [boo l-ee] See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com noun, plural bul·lies. a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.WWE is overbearing, badgering, and intimidating a smaller & fiscally weaker(although company worth at SBG is almost triple what WWE is worth, they're ROH spending is what we're talking about in this specific case) promotion WWE is literally bullying the smaller promotion.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 24, 2018 20:21:48 GMT -5
That's not bullying and now this has gotten stupid. Let's take a look at the dictionary.com definition of the word bully, which for the purpose of this discourse I'll go with the noun form as opposed to the verb, bullying. bully [boo l-ee] See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com noun, plural bul·lies. a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.WWE is overbearing, badgering, and intimidating a smaller & fiscally weaker(although company worth at SBG is almost triple what WWE is worth, they're ROH spending is what we're talking about in this specific case) promotion WWE is literally bullying the smaller promotion. That's just dumb. How is WWE badgering or intimidating ROH? Last I checked WWE didn't stop ROH from running shows anywhere other than MSG. And WWE can't force ROH out of MSG. It's the people at MSG decided to go with what WWE had to offer instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 20:43:35 GMT -5
Oh so it's MSG who is deciding on listening to wwe?
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Post by marino13 on Jun 24, 2018 20:59:59 GMT -5
Oh so it's MSG who is deciding on listening to wwe? Who else's decision would it be? WWE doesn't own MSG. They can't force them to do anything. But they can offer to run a show there that will make MSG more money. Enough so, that they were willing to break off an agreement with ROH. Not saying it's fair, but it certainly isn't bullying. It's business.
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Post by @AnHonorablePod on Jun 24, 2018 21:00:28 GMT -5
Let's take a look at the dictionary.com definition of the word bully, which for the purpose of this discourse I'll go with the noun form as opposed to the verb, bullying. bully [boo l-ee] See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com noun, plural bul·lies. a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.WWE is overbearing, badgering, and intimidating a smaller & fiscally weaker(although company worth at SBG is almost triple what WWE is worth, they're ROH spending is what we're talking about in this specific case) promotion WWE is literally bullying the smaller promotion. That's just dumb. How is WWE badgering or intimidating ROH? Last I checked WWE didn't stop ROH from running shows anywhere other than MSG. And WWE can't force ROH out of MSG. It's the people at MSG decided to go with what WWE had to offer instead.
Off the top of my head WWE has in the last 365 days booked the same city ROH has announced prior 7 times additionally 12 times within a week timespan(usually prior). That's enough to correlate a pattern. Additionally, WWE did in fact force ROH out of MSG, per Dave Meltzer & Mike Johnson, there was an agreement between WWE and MSG that WWE would run more in MSG if they did not allow ROH to run there. ROH and MSG had a date booked opposite of NXT and was awaiting to sign paperwork when WWE intervened. It's embarrassing the level of apology you keep making for the brand. Not sure how old you are or how long you've watched wrestling, but this type of behavior is the type of thing low level indy promoters who draw 50 people do, not billionaires.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 24, 2018 21:11:20 GMT -5
That's just dumb. How is WWE badgering or intimidating ROH? Last I checked WWE didn't stop ROH from running shows anywhere other than MSG. And WWE can't force ROH out of MSG. It's the people at MSG decided to go with what WWE had to offer instead.
Off the top of my head WWE has in the last 365 days booked the same city ROH has announced prior 7 times additionally 12 times within a week timespan(usually prior). That's enough to correlate a pattern. Additionally, WWE did in fact force ROH out of MSG, per Dave Meltzer & Mike Johnson, there was an agreement between WWE and MSG that WWE would run more in MSG if they did not allow ROH to run there. ROH and MSG had a date booked opposite of NXT and was awaiting to sign paperwork when WWE intervened. It's embarrassing the level of apology you keep making for the brand. Not sure how old you are or how long you've watched wrestling, but this type of behavior is the type of thing low level indy promoters who draw 50 people do, not billionaires. You can call it embarrassing, but I'm looking at it from a business pov. WWE didn't force MSG to do anything. WWE doesn't own MSG. The WWE had a better financial offer and MSG took it. Nobody held a gun to their heads. MSG could have said, no. They could have said we have an agreement with ROH. They didn't, they followed the money. As any smart business would.
I've been watching for as long as you've been alive. So that was a stupid point to even bring up. Keep grasping though.
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Post by TheLastDude on Jun 24, 2018 21:14:43 GMT -5
That's not bullying and now this has gotten stupid. Let's take a look at the dictionary.com definition of the word bully, which for the purpose of this discourse I'll go with the noun form as opposed to the verb, bullying. bully [boo l-ee] See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com noun, plural bul·lies. a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.WWE is overbearing, badgering, and intimidating a smaller & fiscally weaker(although company worth at SBG is almost triple what WWE is worth, they're ROH spending is what we're talking about in this specific case) promotion WWE is literally bullying the smaller promotion. You know what this post is the definition of? A stretch.
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Post by @AnHonorablePod on Jun 24, 2018 21:15:32 GMT -5
Off the top of my head WWE has in the last 365 days booked the same city ROH has announced prior 7 times additionally 12 times within a week timespan(usually prior). That's enough to correlate a pattern. Additionally, WWE did in fact force ROH out of MSG, per Dave Meltzer & Mike Johnson, there was an agreement between WWE and MSG that WWE would run more in MSG if they did not allow ROH to run there. ROH and MSG had a date booked opposite of NXT and was awaiting to sign paperwork when WWE intervened. It's embarrassing the level of apology you keep making for the brand. Not sure how old you are or how long you've watched wrestling, but this type of behavior is the type of thing low level indy promoters who draw 50 people do, not billionaires. You can call it embarrassing, but I'm looking at it from a business pov. WWE didn't force MSG to do anything. WWE doesn't own MSG. The WWE had a better financial offer and MSG took it. Nobody held a gun to their heads. MSG could have said, no. They could have said we have an agreement with ROH. They didn't, they followed the money. As any smart business would.
I've been watching for as long as you've been alive. So that was a stupid point to even bring up. Keep grasping though.
The latter portion of my response was not intended for you to answer like a jerk, but you did proving yet again a WWE bias when this is them clearly bullying the now established competition. I'm 32. If you've been watching that long you'd number one, you'd know WWE and Vince McMahon love messing with people and this is a clear case of free enterprise interference. If ROH/SBG were to sue, they'd win faster than Punk & Cabana tapped out the quack doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 21:16:14 GMT -5
Oh so it's MSG who is deciding on listening to wwe? Who else's decision would it be? WWE doesn't own MSG. They can't force them to do anything. But they can offer to run a show there that will make MSG more money. Enough so, that they were willing to break off an agreement with ROH. Not saying it's fair, but it certainly isn't bullying. It's business. I thought maybe MSG said sure to ROH before wwe intervened with their "exclusivity" clause. If the deal is ROH don't do a show there because wwe will give them something how about this- the April 1 and 2 Raw and Smackdown could be at MSG. Those would be the go home shows for wrestlemania 35.
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Post by @AnHonorablePod on Jun 24, 2018 21:17:40 GMT -5
Let's take a look at the dictionary.com definition of the word bully, which for the purpose of this discourse I'll go with the noun form as opposed to the verb, bullying. bully [boo l-ee] See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com noun, plural bul·lies. a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates smaller or weaker people.WWE is overbearing, badgering, and intimidating a smaller & fiscally weaker(although company worth at SBG is almost triple what WWE is worth, they're ROH spending is what we're talking about in this specific case) promotion WWE is literally bullying the smaller promotion. You know what this post is the definition of? A stretch. to draw out or extend (oneself, a body, limbs, wings, etc.) to the full length or extent (often followed by out): There's the definition of stretch.
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Post by @AnHonorablePod on Jun 24, 2018 21:22:01 GMT -5
Who else's decision would it be? WWE doesn't own MSG. They can't force them to do anything. But they can offer to run a show there that will make MSG more money. Enough so, that they were willing to break off an agreement with ROH. Not saying it's fair, but it certainly isn't bullying. It's business. I thought maybe MSG said sure to ROH before wwe intervened with their "exclusivity" clause. If the deal is ROH don't do a show there because wwe will give them something how about this- the April 1 and 2 Raw and Smackdown could be at MSG. Those would be the go home shows for wrestlemania 35. In theory that would lead to an MSG/ROH lawsuit but the go-home shows are booked for other places already. One of those dates is apparently the first date for WWE in the refurbished quicken loans arena(4/1)
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Post by marino13 on Jun 24, 2018 21:24:30 GMT -5
You can call it embarrassing, but I'm looking at it from a business pov. WWE didn't force MSG to do anything. WWE doesn't own MSG. The WWE had a better financial offer and MSG took it. Nobody held a gun to their heads. MSG could have said, no. They could have said we have an agreement with ROH. They didn't, they followed the money. As any smart business would.
I've been watching for as long as you've been alive. So that was a stupid point to even bring up. Keep grasping though.
The latter portion of my response was not intended for you to answer like a jerk, but you did proving yet again a WWE bias when this is them clearly bullying the now established competition. I'm 32. If you've been watching that long you'd number one, you'd know WWE and Vince McMahon love messing with people and this is a clear case of free enterprise interference. If ROH/SBG were to sue, they'd win faster than Punk & Cabana tapped out the quack doctor. Then let them sue. But it'd be MSG they'd be suing. It was MSG that took their offer but canceled it for a better one. Not WWE forcing anyone to do anything. The fact you keep throwing the word "bullying" isn't helping your case. You brought my age into it though it had nothing to do with the topic. But I'm the jerk because you didn't get the answer you wanted? Cool.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 24, 2018 21:32:59 GMT -5
Who else's decision would it be? WWE doesn't own MSG. They can't force them to do anything. But they can offer to run a show there that will make MSG more money. Enough so, that they were willing to break off an agreement with ROH. Not saying it's fair, but it certainly isn't bullying. It's business. I thought maybe MSG said sure to ROH before wwe intervened with their "exclusivity" clause. If the deal is ROH don't do a show there because wwe will give them something how about this- the April 1 and 2 Raw and Smackdown could be at MSG. Those would be the go home shows for wrestlemania 35. Yeah, I believe ROH & MSG did have an agreement. But obviously nothing was signed and official yet. Thus why MSG was able to drop them for a WWE show(s). WWE just came in with a better offer and MSG took it. That was my point all along. It's a business move, but nobody was forced to do anything.
And yes, I wish WWE did do more shows there. But from what I understand, it's expensive to do TV from MSG.
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Post by @AnHonorablePod on Jun 24, 2018 21:47:27 GMT -5
The latter portion of my response was not intended for you to answer like a jerk, but you did proving yet again a WWE bias when this is them clearly bullying the now established competition. I'm 32. If you've been watching that long you'd number one, you'd know WWE and Vince McMahon love messing with people and this is a clear case of free enterprise interference. If ROH/SBG were to sue, they'd win faster than Punk & Cabana tapped out the quack doctor. Then let them sue. But it'd be MSG they'd be suing. It was MSG that took their offer but canceled it for a better one. Not WWE forcing anyone to do anything. The fact you keep throwing the word "bullying" isn't helping your case. You brought my age into it though it had nothing to do with the topic. But I'm the jerk because you didn't get the answer you wanted? Cool. It had everything to do with the topic, old promoters did this to Vince when he was on the rise, surely you'd know that if your fandom wasn't in a bubble. I already said the issue would be suing MSG they gave WWE dates ROH had been given. WWE is bullying the smaller promotions by snatching up talent, double booking cities, and threatening the All In group with signing people off their show. It's reality. I'm sorry the WWE Universe is basically the flat earth society.
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