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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 13, 2018 15:08:35 GMT -5
DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOT A CALL TO ATTACK ROMAN REIGNS!
Does the WWE think the reason certain matches have recently received such horrible backlash is because of Roman Reigns' opponent? I only ask because, SamoA Joe faces Roman, and the crowd hates it. Joe is then barely booked afterwards. I think he's been on TV maybe a grand total of 2 times since his match.
Then Roman faced Jinder. Jinder went from upper main event, to a feud with Roman. Fans hated the match. Jinder is now doing backstage segments, and embroiled in weird feud with Chad Gable...is that even still a thing?
What happens to Lashly after this? If the fans crap on this match and its not well received, will we see Lashly cast aside? Why are his opponents getting the raw end of the stick on this?
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 13, 2018 16:13:53 GMT -5
It comes down to one major issue. Too much talent. I don’t think there has been a time in WWE history where they have had this large of an active roster spread between 3 shows. There is so much content on a weekly basis between WWE TV , the Network, and social media exclusive content that they are actually bleeding their product dry.
The brand split was ment to initiate a clean canvas to new and fresh feuds and stories, however we get the same matches week in and week out.
I think WWE needs to swallow the loss, shed the fat, lower their content per week, or give the Network some exclusivity. Maybe the last hour of Raw excluisve to The Network, or Smackdown exclusive to The Network. Freshen up the stories, add more of an adult tent to them, and give the guys more expressive freedoms. Todays product feels like cardboard cutouts of what we had 20 years ago.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jul 13, 2018 16:17:28 GMT -5
DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOT A CALL TO ATTACK ROMAN REIGNS! Does the WWE think the reason certain matches have recently received such horrible backlash is because of Roman Reigns' opponent? I only ask because, SamoA Joe faces Roman, and the crowd hates it. Joe is then barely booked afterwards. I think he's been on TV maybe a grand total of 2 times since his match. Then Roman faced Jinder. Jinder went from upper main event, to a feud with Roman. Fans hated the match. Jinder is now doing backstage segments, and embroiled in weird feud with Chad Gable...is that even still a thing? What happens to Lashly after this? If the fans crap on this match and its not well received, will we see Lashly cast aside? Why are his opponents getting the raw end of the stick on this? Hope so. Lashley does nothing for me and I don't even know why they brought him back. |
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Post by hbkowns on Jul 13, 2018 16:31:27 GMT -5
It comes down to one major issue. Too much talent. I don’t think there has been a time in WWE history where they have had this large of an active roster spread between 3 shows. There is so much content on a weekly basis between WWE TV , the Network, and social media exclusive content that they are actually bleeding their product dry. The brand split was ment to initiate a clean canvas to new and fresh feuds and stories, however we get the same matches week in and week out. I think WWE needs to swallow the loss, shed the fat, lower their content per week, or give the Network some exclusivity. Maybe the last hour of Raw excluisve to The Network, or Smackdown exclusive to The Network. Freshen up the stories, add more of an adult tent to them, and give the guys more expressive freedoms. Todays product feels like cardboard cutouts of what we had 20 years ago. Too much talent and not pushing the right ones. Why Mojo Rawley and No Way Jose get more tv time then guys like Chad Gable is beyond me. |
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Post by tylerbreezee on Jul 13, 2018 16:31:52 GMT -5
This thread is dumb
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Post by PJ on Jul 13, 2018 16:38:33 GMT -5
Wasn’t Samoa Joe out for an injury? And Lashley is horrible I don’t see anything to him other than his look. His promos aren’t good and his in ring work isn’t really good enough to make up for his poor promos.
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Post by Iron Bison on Jul 13, 2018 16:38:59 GMT -5
DISCLAIMER: THIS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY AND NOT A CALL TO ATTACK ROMAN REIGNS! Does the WWE think the reason certain matches have recently received such horrible backlash is because of Roman Reigns' opponent? I only ask because, SamoA Joe faces Roman, and the crowd hates it. Joe is then barely booked afterwards. I think he's been on TV maybe a grand total of 2 times since his match. Then Roman faced Jinder. Jinder went from upper main event, to a feud with Roman. Fans hated the match. Jinder is now doing backstage segments, and embroiled in weird feud with Chad Gable...is that even still a thing? What happens to Lashly after this? If the fans crap on this match and its not well received, will we see Lashly cast aside? Why are his opponents getting the raw end of the stick on this? Hope so. Lashley does nothing for me and I don't even know why they brought him back. But Brock Lashley, I mean Bobby Lesnar...I mean..that guy brings A LOT to the table. Like...um..uh...just give me a few |
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Post by marino13 on Jul 13, 2018 18:42:45 GMT -5
Rumors are Samoa Joe is next to face AJ for the WWE Championship going into SummerSlam. He's just bidding his time till they are ready to begin the feud.
Mahal seems to be in transition to a new character. So I assume they are trying it out before fully committing to it on live TV. Besides, I don't know who he would feud with right now anyway.
Lashley ain't going nowhere win/lose/or draw.
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Post by vampiro666 on Jul 13, 2018 21:44:05 GMT -5
It comes down to one major issue. Too much talent. I don’t think there has been a time in WWE history where they have had this large of an active roster spread between 3 shows. There is so much content on a weekly basis between WWE TV , the Network, and social media exclusive content that they are actually bleeding their product dry. The brand split was ment to initiate a clean canvas to new and fresh feuds and stories, however we get the same matches week in and week out. I think WWE needs to swallow the loss, shed the fat, lower their content per week, or give the Network some exclusivity. Maybe the last hour of Raw excluisve to The Network, or Smackdown exclusive to The Network. Freshen up the stories, add more of an adult tent to them, and give the guys more expressive freedoms. Todays product feels like cardboard cutouts of what we had 20 years ago. this is exactly why we need a reboot of shotgun Saturday night, sunday night heat, action zone, velocity, and live wire if all of these shows was revived it would help the talent on each roster greatly they could put them all on the network and have shotgun on late night like it used to be with the raw/smackdown roster combined and make it tv/ma |
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Post by BØRNS on Jul 14, 2018 1:57:32 GMT -5
It comes down to one major issue. Too much talent. I don’t think there has been a time in WWE history where they have had this large of an active roster spread between 3 shows. There is so much content on a weekly basis between WWE TV , the Network, and social media exclusive content that they are actually bleeding their product dry. The brand split was ment to initiate a clean canvas to new and fresh feuds and stories, however we get the same matches week in and week out. I think WWE needs to swallow the loss, shed the fat, lower their content per week, or give the Network some exclusivity. Maybe the last hour of Raw excluisve to The Network, or Smackdown exclusive to The Network. Freshen up the stories, add more of an adult tent to them, and give the guys more expressive freedoms. Todays product feels like cardboard cutouts of what we had 20 years ago. this is exactly why we need a reboot of shotgun Saturday night, sunday night heat, action zone, velocity, and live wire if all of these shows was revived it would help the talent on each roster greatly they could put them all on the network and have shotgun on late night like it used to be with the raw/smackdown roster combined and make it tv/ma Dude, I'd be down for a return on Velocity and Sunday Night Heat. They roster is large enough that they could definitely pull this off, and mix in some NXT stars with the main roster. The only problem would be logistically... They could tape it (or do it live I suppose) before Raw and SDL, but they're both already long (3 hrs for Raw, and 2 hrs for SDL + 1 hr for 205 Live). But, if they have the talent, and are willing, I'm sure the fans would enjoy it and it'd give an extra reason to for fans to buy tickets. I mean, look at the Extreme Rules card! We have like 11 matches and only one of them is for the preshow! |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 14, 2018 7:57:05 GMT -5
I think WWE needs to swallow the loss, shed the fat, lower their content per week, or give the Network some exclusivity. Maybe the last hour of Raw excluisve to The Network, or Smackdown exclusive to The Network. Freshen up the stories, add more of an adult tent to them, and give the guys more expressive freedoms. Todays product feels like cardboard cutouts of what we had 20 years ago. You're suggesting that WWE should break the terms of their lucrative TV deals and completely destroy themselves financially in an attempt to stop people complaining on the Internet. That is a terrible idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 11:50:24 GMT -5
If Samoa Joe doesn't feud with AJ Styles after extreme rules than he may be phased out. Dont care about Jinder. Lashley has been a disappointment anyway.
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Post by bababooey on Jul 14, 2018 12:28:27 GMT -5
I don’t think Joe and Jinder’s current usage has anything to do with Roman.
I think Joe is not being used a lot right now because they are just waiting to use him in something meaningful.
Jinder was already on his way to being a scrub again. That feud was just something for Roman to do.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 14, 2018 15:21:53 GMT -5
Rumors are Samoa Joe is next to face AJ for the WWE Championship going into SummerSlam. He's just bidding his time till they are ready to begin the feud. Mahal seems to be in transition to a new character. So I assume they are trying it out before fully committing to it on live TV. Besides, I don't know who he would feud with right now anyway. Lashley ain't going nowhere win/lose/or draw. Bingo. |
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Post by Falconsinclair on Jul 15, 2018 22:45:43 GMT -5
I'm all for shows like Velocity, Sunday Night Heat and others coming back, but as someone else said, where do you tape them?
Raw and Smackdown/205 Live tapings both top about 4 hours (Main Event Matches are taped before Raw and Smackdown currently) so how do we fix that?
I propose the following, since people are already leaving before or during 205 Live after Smackdown I say scrap making it live. Move 205 to Full Sail and do a month or two worth of taping the day before or after they do the NXT Tapings. This frees up Smackdown to make their Main Event leave a lasting impact on the crowd, plus with Smackdown moving to Friday Nights this leaves the option to keep Smackdown live while not hurting 205.
I would tape all the Main Event Matches before Raw and tape Velocity/Heat/Whatever you want to call the shows (yes shows) before Smackdown goes live, even if Smackdown remains taped on Tuesdays when they move to Friday Nights (If Smackdown remains live once they move to Fox) then the weekend shows would be able to still be taped before it.
As for the Question at hand. Raw/Smackdown have way too much talent right now and it is hard to get everyone on TV in a meaningful way each week if you aren't the Champion of the Brand or Roman Reigns. I also don't think creative had any long term plans heading into the "Superstar Shake Up" which is why guys like Samoa Joe and Jinder Mahal (to a way lesser extent) are struggling on their new brands. Mahal should have stayed on Smackdown for at least another year where he could have established himself as a solid midcard hand before moving to Raw (at least in my opinion). Joe moved to Smackdown in the middle of a program with Reigns and since that program wrapped up the Smackdown Creative Team hasn't had a clue what to do with him.
As for Lashley after tonight it looks like Vinnie Mac's wet dream is about to come true with a Lashley/Lesnar match taking place at Summerslam. Sadly thou after the match with Reigns that Lashley had tonight I am not excited for a potential Lashley/Lesnar showdown. In my eyes Lashley/Reigns had next to no chemistry in the ring and a Lashley/Lesnar match will sadly be more the same.
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 16, 2018 9:24:42 GMT -5
Look at the way they book Cena/Reigns' opponents. They are only built up for Reigns and Cena to destroy them and then its sinking time after.
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Post by ChainGang on Jul 16, 2018 11:50:16 GMT -5
Wtf.
Every post on this forum is Roman this Reigns this.
Romanfigs.com
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Post by k5 on Jul 16, 2018 12:14:44 GMT -5
Wtf. Every post on this forum is Roman this Reigns this. Romanfigs.com it can be absurd at times. anyways, wwe isn’t dumb enough to not realize the potential of a guy like Samoa joe. they may have not jumped on it when he was younger like they should have, but now that he’s as seasoned as he is he is an undeniable asset. |
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Post by ryan93 on Jul 19, 2018 23:21:31 GMT -5
To back up your point it is true that it does hurt his opponents because they get cheered when they beat up Roman. Then when the match happens they still boo Roman or if they win they get no reaction during the celebration but the fans cheer Roman's defeat. Jinder and Samoa Joe to Vince is like they aren't good enough heels to get booed against Roman. Lashley wasn't even a good enough face to get cheered over Roman. Braun Strowman is the only person to benefit from Roman Reigns. It made him one of the biggest faces on Raw in my opinion with Seth Rollins. I would be interested to see Roman as a stand alone heel. Vince just needs to look at The Rock. Turn him heel and let him be cool. He is cutting heel promos and has a heel look and style. The fans are going to boo him. All great faces have been heels before they got over as the top guy. Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, The Rock, Mankind, Bret Hart, Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, and John Cena. They all had big heel runs that allowed them to be the guy.
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