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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 15, 2018 9:58:15 GMT -5
First of all, I want to thank you for a great line and want you to know how much I appreciate the scale WWE Mattel Elite line of figures. The best wrestling figures ever. I am old school and a long time collector - I spend THOUSANDS of dollars a year and love my figures for multiple brands. I know I am a minority, but what makes me collect current figures (since I don't watch WWE as much anymore) is knowing you have legends coming out.
I know Mattel has challenges of what WWE will allow - who has licenses as a legend deal - cost affiliated - who wants to buy them and how to release them.
The whole purpose of the WWE creating their own NETWORK is they have massive hours of programming of the past that they can make exclusive to the viewer. Working in conjunction with Mattel - to release a figure with spotlighting the success of that legend could benefit the Network (wwe) The Legend, Mattel and of course the collector.
When I see figures coming like Harley Race it increases my interest in the line ... when the legends struggle to find a home or a way of getting released my interest in the current figures and line in general fades.
I know you have tried a Legends line (with some less than classic images) like Slaughter without his fatigues, or Snuka with the long pants and not a great face, or ROad Warriors in the black pads but not the red. The Andre the Giant was released in a strange way as I recall and same with Bundy with the relatively unknown and not publicized Matty - stores ordered some (so Target is an hour away from me and on-line is not abundant. Toys R us is closed. Gamestop yes or no? There was a legend added with each elite series which I loved now that has seemed to end. I would love a legend -even if it was a build a figure in the elite line. Or exclusives to an on-line source either way ... just putting it out there. I love the Legends and we have many more to go that could benefit Mattel, WWE, and LEGENDS.
Finally, I would REALLY REALLY REALLY love if Mattel would just tell us what legends have a deal with WWE ... and have a little more insight as to why someone like Bob Backlund former WWE champ, or Rocky Johnson or Hall of Famers like Greg Valentine, Superstar Billy Graham and many others are not in.
Thanks
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Post by Da Handsome 1 on Jul 15, 2018 9:59:41 GMT -5
I agree
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 16, 2018 8:17:29 GMT -5
Yes well collect 500 Cena's and let me know how it goes. I will continue to push for NEW figures! LEGENDS! I will make sure I pass on the Cena's etc ... to make sure you can buy them.
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Post by buddyboy101 on Jul 16, 2018 8:19:11 GMT -5
This thread and all of its hyphens need to be stickied for comedy purposes and then burned down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 8:20:00 GMT -5
Yes well collect 500 Cena's and let me know how it goes. I will continue to push for NEW figures! LEGENDS! I will make sure I pass on the Cena's etc ... to make sure you can buy them. I wont buy them either but the hundreds of thousands of kids who want them will get their parents to buy them, that is, after all, who theyre aimed at
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Post by Stoker Ichikawa on Jul 16, 2018 8:23:17 GMT -5
We make up such a small quota of the buying publicS look what happened when the legends line died- everyone in here got up in arms about it so Matty brought them back in super limited runs. And we all know how that turned out - they didn’t sell very well so it was scrapped.
As much as I agree and would love older guys to be made, Mattel don’t want product clogging shelves. Look at the list you put forward, Kids are just going to see “old man in plain trunks” :
Bob Backlund Greg Valentine Bruiser Brody Stan Hansen Rocky Johnson Tony Atlas PEdro Morales Don Muraco The Briscoe Brothers Dory Funk Jr Dick The Bruiser Crusher
It makes no business sense. Do I want another Cena figure? No I don’t. But kids do and we have so accept that Mattel primarily markets to children
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Post by stc13 on Jul 16, 2018 8:25:08 GMT -5
Well this thread is going nowhere fast. Every time someone responds, the OP counters that the info isn't valid because we don't work at Mattel. And no one from Mattel posts here, thus the only responses you're going to get are from other users.
Try calling Mattel and asking them directly. I doubt you'll get far, but at least it will meet your criteria of coming from a Mattel employee. WWE is a publicly traded company - if you're a stock holder, try contacting them and requesting info on who is signed to a Legends deal. If you want to talk about figures with other collectors, this is the place to be. But if the only responses you think hold water are from WWE or Mattel themselves, you're looking in the wrong place.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 16, 2018 8:33:17 GMT -5
I love it. Thanks for informing me that Legends don't sell as well as Cena and the current roster. I had NO IDEA! This has been so informative. Man, I really appreciate the knowledge and sorry I was one of many on this board who shared what they liked. Someone recently posted about how they are losing interest in the Mattel line. I didn't look close enough if you trolled that too. Someone wanted Greg Valentine ... did you share with that poster how that wouldn't sell and try to discourage that person ... I'm sure you did if not go over there ... then you have many more to go. Does a thread have to go somewhere fast? Is there a timeline on threads too? I am still waiting for the one poster who could show me in 2 minutes who has a legends deal .... that was about an hour ago!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 8:33:41 GMT -5
I feel you. I just think like most have said, they seem to have run out of steam with the Legends. It sucks because that's why I collect. I don't buy any of the new wrestlers.
I guess we just take the scraps we have to cling to now. Not a lot can be done as its hard to ignore the evidence of the Legends line's failure. Now I wasn't around then so I can't defend Mattel. But it does seem they made some odd choices with that line, very odd.
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Post by Stoker Ichikawa on Jul 16, 2018 8:34:45 GMT -5
I love it. Thanks for informing me that Legends don't sell as well as Cena and the current roster. I had NO IDEA! This has been so informative. Man, I really appreciate the knowledge and sorry I was one of many on this board who shared what they liked. Someone recently posted about how they are losing interest in the Mattel line. I didn't look close enough if you trolled that too. Someone wanted Greg Valentine ... did you share with that poster how that wouldn't sell and try to discourage that person ... I'm sure you did if not go over there ... then you have many more to go. Does a thread have to go somewhere fast? Is there a timeline on threads too? I am still waiting for the one poster who could show me in 2 minutes who has a legends deal .... that was about an hour ago! Why are you being such a gimp?
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 16, 2018 8:35:16 GMT -5
Thank you Diamondcutter. Agree that they have tried and I see they still are with a very cool Harley Race and Ron Simmons coming.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 16, 2018 8:42:42 GMT -5
mattelfreak, So you run Mattel and decide what works and what doesn't and the rest of us should not request, suggest, and just be quiet? NOPE. Sorry! They are making the RED ROOSTER who was around for about a year ... how can Bob Backlund, Billy Graham, Dory Funk Jr, Jack Brisoce, Pedro Morales former CHAMPIONS not sell? No Eric Bischoff? No Owen Hart? No Stan Hansen? No Greg Valentine? No Steiner Brothers. R u one of those I need another John Cena for the 500th time collectors go for it. Do i run Mattel? What do you think? Yes, i run one of the biggest toy makers in the world but spend my afternoon on a wrestling toy forum. Mattel make stuff that sells, thats what businesses do Of course they make a lot Cena figures he outsells everyone else combined Would most of those he listed sell a ton of figures, most likely not. But if they only made figures of those who sold a ton we would get nothing but Cena, Rollins, Reigns, Strowman, Warrior, Hogan, Savage, Flair, Sting, Austin, Rock, etc. Half of the current roster would not get made because they wouldn't sell either. And the legends must be selling well enough because the keep making legend figures, including, rare/obscure legends like the Shockmaster, Red Rooster, and Isaac Yankem. I've seen current guys warm shelves in some areas and legends sell well, and in other areas current guys sell well and legends warm. But you also have to realize, as Mattel does, that you can't keep making the same guys over and over. One thing that makes this line work is the variety in wrestlers, both old and new. And, there is a large collector's community that would purchase figures that kids today wouldn't, which is more money for Mattel to earn than if they just made current stars. If Mattel didn't think that the legends would sell enough, they wouldn't make any to begin with. Also, they can reduce the amount of figures they make per legend they make so they don't rot on shelves, like they did with the legends 5 George Steele figure, they made less of him than the others in the set. They can also put a lot of the obscure legends (like the ones natureboyfauser mentioned) as ringside collectibles exclusive so they don't take up shelf space in stores. Point is, their are people out there who would buy these figures which means money for Mattel. I don't collect any stars of today, only legends, and if they only made stars of today Mattel would not get any money out of me (not that I give them a lot of money compared to what they make, but there are probably a lot of people like me who only collect legends). Sorry for the rant, but it gets tiring hearing people say that legends don't sell when they must sell well enough or Mattel wouldn't keep making them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 8:45:25 GMT -5
Do i run Mattel? What do you think? Yes, i run one of the biggest toy makers in the world but spend my afternoon on a wrestling toy forum. Mattel make stuff that sells, thats what businesses do Of course they make a lot Cena figures he outsells everyone else combined Would most of those he listed sell a ton of figures, most likely not. But if they only made figures of those who sold a ton we would get nothing but Cena, Rollins, Reigns, Strowman, Warrior, Hogan, Savage, Flair, Sting, Austin, Rock, etc. Half of the current roster would not get made because they wouldn't sell either. And the legends must be selling well enough because the keep making legend figures, including, rare/obscure legends like the Shockmaster, Red Rooster, and Isaac Yankem. I've seen current guys warm shelves in some areas and legends sell well, and in other areas current guys sell well and legends warm. But you also have to realize, as Mattel does, that you can't keep making the same guys over and over. One thing that makes this line work is the variety in wrestlers, both old and new. And, there is a large collector's community that would purchase figures that kids today wouldn't, which is more money for Mattel to earn than if they just made current stars. If Mattel didn't think that the legends would sell enough, they wouldn't make any to begin with. Also, they can reduce the amount of figures they make per legend they make so they don't rot on shelves, like they did with the legends 5 George Steele figure, they made less of him than the others in the set. They can also put a lot of the obscure legends (like the ones natureboyfauser mentioned) as ringside collectibles exclusive so they don't take up shelf space in stores. Point is, their are people out there who would buy these figures which means money for Mattel. I don't collect any stars of today, only legends, and if they only made stars of today Mattel would not get any money out of me (not that I give them a lot of money compared to what they make, but there are probably a lot of people like me who only collect legends). Sorry for the rant, but it gets tiring hearing people say that legends don't sell when they must sell well enough or Mattel wouldn't keep making them. Certain legends obviosuly do sell, but im in my 30s and half of those names i couldnt even recall, that says a lot, not just about me lol
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 16, 2018 8:47:01 GMT -5
BINGO MKSAVAGE! Thank you!
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 16, 2018 8:51:30 GMT -5
Would most of those he listed sell a ton of figures, most likely not. But if they only made figures of those who sold a ton we would get nothing but Cena, Rollins, Reigns, Strowman, Warrior, Hogan, Savage, Flair, Sting, Austin, Rock, etc. Half of the current roster would not get made because they wouldn't sell either. And the legends must be selling well enough because the keep making legend figures, including, rare/obscure legends like the Shockmaster, Red Rooster, and Isaac Yankem. I've seen current guys warm shelves in some areas and legends sell well, and in other areas current guys sell well and legends warm. But you also have to realize, as Mattel does, that you can't keep making the same guys over and over. One thing that makes this line work is the variety in wrestlers, both old and new. And, there is a large collector's community that would purchase figures that kids today wouldn't, which is more money for Mattel to earn than if they just made current stars. If Mattel didn't think that the legends would sell enough, they wouldn't make any to begin with. Also, they can reduce the amount of figures they make per legend they make so they don't rot on shelves, like they did with the legends 5 George Steele figure, they made less of him than the others in the set. They can also put a lot of the obscure legends (like the ones natureboyfauser mentioned) as ringside collectibles exclusive so they don't take up shelf space in stores. Point is, their are people out there who would buy these figures which means money for Mattel. I don't collect any stars of today, only legends, and if they only made stars of today Mattel would not get any money out of me (not that I give them a lot of money compared to what they make, but there are probably a lot of people like me who only collect legends). Sorry for the rant, but it gets tiring hearing people say that legends don't sell when they must sell well enough or Mattel wouldn't keep making them. Certain legends obviosuly do sell, but im in my 30s and half of those names i couldnt even recall, that says a lot, not just about me lol A lot of those guys are from the 70s/ early 80s, which is an era that Mattel has yet to release a lot from. I think they have only released 3 figures (Bruno and the Wild Samoans) that wrestled before the first WrestleMania. I would have picked them up if Mattel was going to make more stars from the Pre-WrestleMania era(s). Plus, I think he was saying that if they can make the Red Rooster, Isaac Yankem, Shockmaster, etc. then why won't they make Valentine or Graham or Backlund which would sell equally as well or better since they are bigger names to the sport. Though, some of the reason we don't get certain guys is because they aren't under contract or for personal reasons (like Owen and the Steiner's). Would be interesting if someone would ask Bill why some of the guys on natureboyfauser's list haven't been made to get a clear answer (are they no longer under contract, are they off limits by WWE, does Mattel think they won't sell, etc.) so there doesn't have to be any speculation any more.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 16, 2018 8:51:32 GMT -5
mattelfreak, it does say a lot. If people like me didn't buy figures before you were born you wouldn't have figures today. I am so sorry you lack respect for people who paved the way, so sorry you lack respect for history and the golden era of wrestling. But that is YOU! There are others of us who do like it ... so respect it. I put up a post about not wanting to hear from nut jobs like you when Mattel agreed to make the Red Rooster. One of the most insignificant gimmicks of all time. That opens the floodgate for any legend to be made with a better look or a greater history like Harley Race and Ron Simmons (oh you probably don't know who they are either). Read a book!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 8:53:42 GMT -5
mattelfreak, it does say a lot. If people like me didn't buy figures before you were born you wouldn't have figures today. I am so sorry you lack respect for people who paved the way, so sorry you lack respect for history and the golden era of wrestling. But that is YOU! There are others of us who do like it ... so respect it. I put up a post about not wanting to hear from nut jobs like you when Mattel agreed to make the Red Rooster. One of the most insignificant gimmicks of all time. That opens the floodgate for any legend to be made with a better look or a greater history like Harley Race and Ron Simmons (oh you probably don't know who they are either). Read a book! You are a very angry man, im almost 40, so not new to this industry. People like you are the problem here not me, it says a lot that rather than speak about it you attack. I am sorry you appear so troubled.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 16, 2018 8:54:51 GMT -5
mksaveage,
Correct again! Great untapped never made before wrestlers back then. LJN was the first real wrestling line and it was very successful which lead to other companies fighting to get the license. Since WWE has a virtual monopoly on all of wrestling it is their chance to "Capitalize" $$$$$$ off of the past.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 16, 2018 9:00:27 GMT -5
mattlefreak, I posted a passion about my collection and desire for Legends and get lectured by a few people how legends don't sell ... and yet they are making the Red Rooster and the Shark? ?? How do you explain that? Since you and a few others have all of the answers I want you to explain it!!!! You can't ... you can't make sense out of that. You can't tell me those are going to be big sellers and it was brilliant to make those two new figures. People like me will buy them because they are new to the line and they were from the past but you probably won't because you are not old enough to remember .... why can't I state my passion without dealing with dream crushers and the negative troll's that I am not afraid to stand up to? I am still waiting for the easy 2 minute post on who has a legends contract and who doesn't.
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 16, 2018 9:16:43 GMT -5
Some do sell and some don't - yes. Same with current figures. I would love your answer as to why they are making Rooster and Shark? Do you think they will sell well? Do you think those two characters had stellar careers? Does it make sense to you? Because apparently, it doesn't make sense to you that I want the Steiners, Bischoff, Ivan Putski, Superstar Graham, Hercules, The Bruiser etc.
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