TheBadGuyChico
POSSIBLE BAD TRADER
Joined on: Dec 3, 2012 10:34:41 GMT -5
Posts: 1,715
|
Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jul 19, 2018 15:43:46 GMT -5
Is it just me or has Carmella made that SD women's title into a complete joke, she's killed it for me.
I'm trying to understand how we go from Asuka vs Charlotte in that absolutely transcendent match, to a comedy run. How does that help the belt or division? Carmella is nowhere near talented enough to even contend for the title imo, she's so far behind the rest of the roster imo.
I just can't understand how a company can't sabotage and devalue their own titles/divisions, when they did a very good job building them up. This is why I don't watch full time anymore.
Anybody have any theories as to why they're so reckless with the titles in modern WWE? Carmella, Jinder, the B team, all big risks that don't pay off. Do you think they should play it safer on keep titles on the best of the best?
|
|
|
Post by bababooey on Jul 19, 2018 15:56:20 GMT -5
I’ve had zero issues with her as champion. She gets some heat with it and you wanna see her get beat.
|
|
crashholly2002
Superstar
Joined on: Feb 18, 2017 3:56:41 GMT -5
Posts: 821
|
Post by crashholly2002 on Jul 19, 2018 15:58:47 GMT -5
I’ve had zero issues with her as champion. She gets some heat with it and you wanna see her get beat. same with Jinder; and the B-team were getting over huge, dunno what OP is smoking
|
|
|
Post by blissfan4life on Jul 19, 2018 16:03:52 GMT -5
Different era and title lineage I know but The Kat and Debra were worse. at least Carmella looks like she's trying, its also not her fault she was brought up so soon.
|
|
|
Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jul 19, 2018 16:04:25 GMT -5
What about 20 years ago when the title was being defended in evening gown matches and gravy bowl matches by the likes of Debra, Miss Kitty, and Sable?
Is Carmella's reign really that bad when you look back at that period?
|
|
|
Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Jul 19, 2018 16:08:42 GMT -5
I’ve had zero issues with her as champion. She gets some heat with it and you wanna see her get beat. same with Jinder; and the B-team were getting over huge, dunno what OP is smoking
|
|
|
Post by A-Rob on Jul 19, 2018 16:24:16 GMT -5
Titles don't mean a thing now anyway so it doesn't matter what they do.
|
|
|
Post by TheLastDude on Jul 19, 2018 16:29:36 GMT -5
If you want to complain about Asuka's booking, then yeah, I agree with you. What the hell is the deal there?
As for Carmella, she's doing the best with what she's got, really. She might not be the most talented woman in the company, but she's playing her role well.
|
|
TheBadGuyChico
POSSIBLE BAD TRADER
Joined on: Dec 3, 2012 10:34:41 GMT -5
Posts: 1,715
|
Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jul 19, 2018 16:37:55 GMT -5
You guys are missing my point/question.
I know she's trying, but her heat is overstated. Bringing back Ellsworth is a direct knock on her ability to generate heat on her own.
My point isn't about how bad a belt was 20 years ago, it's about how far we've come since then. With so many amazing female talents, why let the belt anywhere near a mediocre one with poor ring talent?
If you're not so over from a merch standpoint, and you're not an elite ring performer, should you have a title?
|
|
|
Post by tylerbreezee on Jul 19, 2018 16:41:34 GMT -5
You guys are missing my point/question. I know she's trying, but her heat is overstated. Bringing back Ellsworth is a direct knock on her ability to generate heat on her own. My point isn't about how bad a belt was 20 years ago, it's about how far we've come since then. With so many amazing female talents, why let the belt anywhere near a mediocre one with poor ring talent? If you're not so over from a merch standpoint, and you're not an elite ring performer, should you have a title? She’s the same as Alexa Bliss yet barely anyone has a problem with Alexa? Both are great on the stick with decent in ring ability. The same exact package as The Miz and he gets praised daily for it. She’s good at what she does and that’s why she has the title.
|
|
TheBadGuyChico
POSSIBLE BAD TRADER
Joined on: Dec 3, 2012 10:34:41 GMT -5
Posts: 1,715
|
Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jul 19, 2018 16:52:24 GMT -5
You guys are missing my point/question. I know she's trying, but her heat is overstated. Bringing back Ellsworth is a direct knock on her ability to generate heat on her own. My point isn't about how bad a belt was 20 years ago, it's about how far we've come since then. With so many amazing female talents, why let the belt anywhere near a mediocre one with poor ring talent? If you're not so over from a merch standpoint, and you're not an elite ring performer, should you have a title? She’s the same as Alexa Bliss yet barely anyone has a problem with Alexa? Both are great on the stick with decent in ring ability. The same exact package as The Miz and he gets praised daily for it. She’s good at what she does and that’s why she has the title. I highly disagree. Alexa Bliss is a terrific athlete, regardless of how you feel about wrestling ability. She's also much, much more over, and I'd argue a better talker by a safe distance. I buy Bliss. Carmela has no athletic background, looks lost in a lot of these matches, she's not much better than some body out of a diva search. We have 5 star caliber women wrestlers, why bother with a 2 star at best? Growing up the belts had an air of elitism. You knew that if somebody didn't tangibly move the dial in terms of selling tickets and merchandise, or wasn't a great wrestler, they stood no chance at a title. He'll Even all time greats who met that criteria didn't get titles for various circumstantial reasons. My point is, the women's division is loaded, they don't need a mediocre champion.
|
|
|
Post by blissfan4life on Jul 19, 2018 17:06:34 GMT -5
She’s the same as Alexa Bliss yet barely anyone has a problem with Alexa? Both are great on the stick with decent in ring ability. The same exact package as The Miz and he gets praised daily for it. She’s good at what she does and that’s why she has the title. I highly disagree. Alexa Bliss is a terrific athlete, regardless of how you feel about wrestling ability. She's also much, much more over, and I'd argue a better talker by a safe distance. I buy Bliss. Carmela has no athletic background, looks lost in a lot of these matches, she's not much better than some body out of a diva search. We have 5 star caliber women wrestlers, why bother with a 2 star at best? Growing up the belts had an air of elitism. You knew that if somebody didn't tangibly move the dial in terms of selling tickets and merchandise, or wasn't a great wrestler, they stood no chance at a title. He'll Even all time greats who met that criteria didn't get titles for various circumstantial reasons. My point is, the women's division is loaded, they don't need a mediocre champion. to each their own, I still think the Kat, And Debra were worse..... I'd rather have a Carmella than a Miss Kitty or Debra.
|
|
|
Post by Planktung on Jul 19, 2018 17:11:44 GMT -5
What a pointless shot at Carmella.
She's a solid in-ring performer. She's an incredibly gifted promo. She generates heat so well and makes people want to see her get dethroned. She's the perfect heel champion for SmackDown at the moment. Easily the best title holder on the brand right now.
|
|
crashholly2002
Superstar
Joined on: Feb 18, 2017 3:56:41 GMT -5
Posts: 821
|
Post by crashholly2002 on Jul 19, 2018 17:17:37 GMT -5
What a pointless shot at Carmella. She's a solid in-ring performer. She's an incredibly gifted promo. She generates heat so well and makes people want to see her get dethroned. She's the perfect heel champion for SmackDown at the moment. Easily the best title holder on the brand right now. not to mention, she's Shawn Michaels to Mr. "Consensual Penis" Enzo and 8 feet tall Big Cass; so i'd say that's a win in her book as well
|
|
|
Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Jul 19, 2018 17:23:00 GMT -5
You guys are missing my point/question. I know she's trying, but her heat is overstated. Bringing back Ellsworth is a direct knock on her ability to generate heat on her own. My point isn't about how bad a belt was 20 years ago, it's about how far we've come since then. With so many amazing female talents, why let the belt anywhere near a mediocre one with poor ring talent? If you're not so over from a merch standpoint, and you're not an elite ring performer, should you have a title? Literally everybody has disagreed with you in this thread so who’s really missing the point? lol she’s a great character and perfectly fine in the ring and as a champion.
|
|
|
Post by marino13 on Jul 19, 2018 17:30:28 GMT -5
Bringing Ellsworth back was a way to keep the title on her without making Asuka look weak. Over the years we've seen numerous heel champions do the same thing. Mahal & Rollins for example. Hell, Triple H built his whole career of this very thing. It's completely common.
|
|
|
Post by Nivro™ on Jul 19, 2018 17:31:39 GMT -5
Carmella is just bad all around but its kinda irrelevant because not one WWE Title means crap any more.
|
|
|
Post by TheLastDude on Jul 19, 2018 17:36:44 GMT -5
You guys are missing my point/question. I know she's trying, but her heat is overstated. Bringing back Ellsworth is a direct knock on her ability to generate heat on her own. My point isn't about how bad a belt was 20 years ago, it's about how far we've come since then. With so many amazing female talents, why let the belt anywhere near a mediocre one with poor ring talent? If you're not so over from a merch standpoint, and you're not an elite ring performer, should you have a title? Literally everybody has disagreed with you in this thread so who’s really missing the point? lol she’s a great character and perfectly fine in the ring and as a champion. He's done this before. He brings up a topic, everyone says the opposite thing, he tells everyone they're wrong, we say what?, he gets heated and disappears. I feel like we need three or four more people saying Mella is fine before the meltdown begins.
|
|
|
Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jul 19, 2018 17:43:22 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by Sizzle on Jul 19, 2018 17:49:17 GMT -5
I have no complaint with Carmella. If you defend Bliss but not Carmella I can’t really find your opinion on Carmella valid...
However I don’t defend how they’ve treated Asuka on SmackDown recently. I feel like the rise of Asuka on the SmackDown brand unfortunately coincided with Carmella’s rise as champ.
|
|