ryan93
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Post by ryan93 on Jul 19, 2018 22:39:23 GMT -5
Carmella is a great heel champion for Smackdown. A face chasing a heel is always better and easier to write storylines. If Asuka beat Carmella for it in their first encounter you see Carmella fail to cheat to win it back. Now Asuka is the champion and she starts a feud with who? If they do a face vs. face it's going to be Charlotte vs. Asuka. That match could still happen as Carmella could lose the title on any Smackdown. Smackdown only has Carmella, Mandy Rose, and Sonya Deville as heels. So you have Asuka feuding with Mandy and Sonya it doesn't make sense leading into a big event. I'm thinking of a Summerslam Triple Threat or Fatal 4 Way between Carmella, Asuka, and Becky Lynch. Maybe add Charlotte if she is 100%. I look at the James Ellsworth stuff and it's better than seeing Asuka beat Sonya and Mandy every week.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 20, 2018 1:28:55 GMT -5
OP, your signature picture is from the era where the Honky Tonk Man was doing the same thing. Put a title on someone who seems like they can't hang with the roster, have them cheat their way to retaining that title, and there's the heat. Any wrestler who can get a Wfigs thread whining about their push and they're not even Roman Reigns or John Cena, they're drawing heat. Honkey was atleast a decent wrestler. What is your favourite match of his?
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TheBadGuyChico
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jul 20, 2018 2:13:32 GMT -5
Honkey was atleast a decent wrestler. What is your favourite match of his? Honky vs Savage always tore the house down and could headline house shows. Honky was fantastic at bumping and ring psychology, extremely similar to the Miz. Miz is a genius heel. Carmella never fails to look green out there. Far from a psycology stand out.
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Post by Iron Bison on Jul 20, 2018 6:49:16 GMT -5
Titles don't mean a thing now anyway so it doesn't matter what they do. Exactly! All these titles lost value a LONG time ago
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 7:26:33 GMT -5
Honestly I'm just bitter Summerslam isn't going to be Asuka vs. Becky which it easily could and (IMO because people apparently really like Carmella) should have been. Asuka vs Becky would be great! Instead we're getting Carmella vs Becky(you know she will win the non-title match next week) and the latter will likely lose due to Ellsworth doing something stupid.
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Jul 20, 2018 9:00:36 GMT -5
I guess more need to "devalue" the title cause she's one of the few i find entertaining.
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hbkowns
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Post by hbkowns on Jul 20, 2018 9:58:12 GMT -5
Honkey was atleast a decent wrestler. What is your favourite match of his? He had some pretty decent matches against Bret Hart, Randy Savage, and Jake Roberts. Not my favorite but solid. Again, can’t say the same for Carmella.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 20, 2018 10:15:49 GMT -5
Big money has always been with faces chasing the title. For that to happen, for it to mean anything, you need a strong heel. Vince knows Carmella not the best wrestler on SD. We all do. That's what is supposed to upset you. You're supposed to know she can't hang without cheating. You're supposed to be angry about it. Look at Enzo's time on 205 Live. Same thing.
Now if they build up Becky (which seems to be the direction they're headed, but you never know) people will clamor for her to defeat Carmella. People will know Becky is far superior and that will make the moment she wins (if she does) that much more magical. Fans will go crazy, because that wrong has finally been righted. Order will be restored across the land.
It's wrestling booking 101. Just because you may not like the talent, doesn't mean the rules have to change. Just because she's not you're cup of tea, doesn't mean she's doing a bad job.
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Post by J12 on Jul 20, 2018 10:18:16 GMT -5
Carmella has brought the title back down to diva-era levels, without question. Beautiful blonde who can't work. She's a good talker, but that's about it. The Smackdown Women's division is low-card comedy fodder right now.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 20, 2018 12:35:22 GMT -5
What is your favourite match of his? He had some pretty decent matches against Bret Hart, Randy Savage, and Jake Roberts. Where’s the Bret match from? Is it on the network?
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Post by MacReady on Jul 20, 2018 13:42:31 GMT -5
“Transcendent”?
Really? I think your first problem is those rose colored glasses you seem to be viewing that match through. Yeah it was a great match, but don’t oversell it like that, and you won’t be as disappointed in what followed it.
I think Carmella is doing fine as a heel champion. I’ll take her over the ineveitable Rhonda reign that’s on the way.... 15 minute poorly acted, constipated face promos every week on Raw? No thank you.
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Post by CM Poor on Jul 20, 2018 15:31:38 GMT -5
She’s the same as Alexa Bliss yet barely anyone has a problem with Alexa? Both are great on the stick with decent in ring ability. The same exact package as The Miz and he gets praised daily for it. She’s good at what she does and that’s why she has the title. I highly disagree. Alexa Bliss is a terrific athlete, regardless of how you feel about wrestling ability. She's also much, much more over, and I'd argue a better talker by a safe distance. I buy Bliss. Carmela has no athletic background, looks lost in a lot of these matches, she's not much better than some body out of a diva search. We have 5 star caliber women wrestlers, why bother with a 2 star at best? Growing up the belts had an air of elitism. You knew that if somebody didn't tangibly move the dial in terms of selling tickets and merchandise, or wasn't a great wrestler, they stood no chance at a title. He'll Even all time greats who met that criteria didn't get titles for various circumstantial reasons. My point is, the women's division is loaded, they don't need a mediocre champion. LOL, wat?
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 20, 2018 17:22:40 GMT -5
There needs to be five WWE Women's Titles.
One for Asuka, and then the other four for Bayley, Becky, Sasha and Charlotte. Then the smart mark internet fans can be happy apparently.
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Post by 5th Horsewoman on Jul 20, 2018 19:13:36 GMT -5
Then the smart mark internet fans can be happy apparently. I believe a lot of things are possible but not this.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 20, 2018 20:03:57 GMT -5
Big money has always been with faces chasing the title. For that to happen, for it to mean anything, you need a strong heel. Vince knows Carmella not the best wrestler on SD. We all do. That's what is supposed to upset you. You're supposed to know she can't hang without cheating. You're supposed to be angry about it. Look at Enzo's time on 205 Live. Same thing. Now if they build up Becky (which seems to be the direction they're headed, but you never know) people will clamor for her to defeat Carmella. People will know Becky is far superior and that will make the moment she wins (if she does) that much more magical. Fans will go crazy, because that wrong has finally been righted. Order will be restored across the land. It's wrestling booking 101. Just because you may not like the talent, doesn't mean the rules have to change. Just because she's not you're cup of tea, doesn't mean she's doing a bad job. I completely agree with the theory of a heel as champion and the face chasing it...The problem is Carmella just isnt a strong heel. Her ring work is mediocre at best. She's awful on the mic. She just yells and runs around the ring. To me theres "heel heat" and there's "Shut the up and get off my screen" heat....She has the latter. I would much rather see a Heel Charlotte be chased by Face Becky. Or a heel Asuka (with a mouthpiece, Heyman?) chased by Becky or Charlotte.
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Post by blissfan4life on Jul 20, 2018 21:16:54 GMT -5
Its on WWE For bringing her up too soon without getting seasoning in NXT. She's serviceable in the ring.
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Post by Planktung on Jul 20, 2018 22:06:11 GMT -5
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Post by Nick Papagiorgio on Jul 20, 2018 22:28:40 GMT -5
I hope Becky beats her at SummerSlam and finally get Becky Vs. Asuka so we can see two woman who can wrestle better then the current SmackDown Women's Champion.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 20, 2018 22:54:35 GMT -5
Big money has always been with faces chasing the title. For that to happen, for it to mean anything, you need a strong heel. Vince knows Carmella not the best wrestler on SD. We all do. That's what is supposed to upset you. You're supposed to know she can't hang without cheating. You're supposed to be angry about it. Look at Enzo's time on 205 Live. Same thing. Now if they build up Becky (which seems to be the direction they're headed, but you never know) people will clamor for her to defeat Carmella. People will know Becky is far superior and that will make the moment she wins (if she does) that much more magical. Fans will go crazy, because that wrong has finally been righted. Order will be restored across the land. It's wrestling booking 101. Just because you may not like the talent, doesn't mean the rules have to change. Just because she's not you're cup of tea, doesn't mean she's doing a bad job. I completely agree with the theory of a heel as champion and the face chasing it...The problem is Carmella just isnt a strong heel. Her ring work is mediocre at best. She's awful on the mic. She just yells and runs around the ring. To me theres "heel heat" and there's "Shut the up and get off my screen" heat....She has the latter. I would much rather see a Heel Charlotte be chased by Face Becky. Or a heel Asuka (with a mouthpiece, Heyman?) chased by Becky or Charlotte. I agree both of those would be far better. But IMO Carmella is doing a fine job. Not great, certainly not perfect, but fine. And if it means Becky's going to be chasing her and getting some more attention, I'm all for it.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Jul 20, 2018 23:38:12 GMT -5
Mella is money...and Asuka doesn't need a mouth piece especially Heyman
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