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Post by Angel Beast on Jul 20, 2018 14:47:00 GMT -5
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Post by BladeDJK on Jul 20, 2018 16:31:39 GMT -5
Surprising news and disappointing. I think his past jokes were disgusting but to lose it all through that? Think it's pretty wrong.
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Post by GBGav on Jul 20, 2018 17:33:56 GMT -5
Not surprising when you know how tough Disney really are when it comes to their image, and how it could be affected by those who represent them. But it is ridiculous that he's lost his job over things he wrote years ago. Well before he was in the house of mouse. If a criminal can be reformed and be forgiven of his past then why can't people who made wrong comments online? Especially if they're no longer that same person? It's a shame that you can never escape your online past because once it's out there, there's no going back.
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Post by Tim of thee on Jul 20, 2018 23:43:20 GMT -5
You would think a company as large as Disney would have done they’re research. Or maybe they did and didn’t think a hut hung of it.
Either way this reeks of CYA
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Post by hbkjason on Jul 21, 2018 2:53:55 GMT -5
I am not a fan of that type of humor, but he was dragged over the coals for this years ago, he apologized and people moved on. So why is it a big deal again now? Someone must have really had it in for him to dig through his social media posts to find something like that.
James Gunn saying crazy and offensive jokes was his schtick and his movies back in the day were pretty messed up. I find it hard to believe this is a surprise to Disney.
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Post by Angel Beast on Jul 21, 2018 8:01:47 GMT -5
I am not a fan of that type of humor, but he was dragged over the coals for this years ago, he apologized and people moved on. So why is it a big deal again now? Someone must have really had it in for him to dig through his social media posts to find something like that. James Gunn saying crazy and offensive jokes was his schtick and his movies back in the day were pretty messed up. I find it hard to believe this is a surprise to Disney. The rumor is that he was target for being anti-Trump.
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Post by BSR on Jul 21, 2018 10:25:18 GMT -5
Oh well just give guardians to the guy who directed Ragnarok
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 21, 2018 10:40:16 GMT -5
oh the irony!! And somewhat hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 11:01:50 GMT -5
oh the irony!! And somewhat hilarious. It's okay when the left does it with Roseanne, it's not okay when the right does it with Gunn.
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Post by blissfan4life on Jul 21, 2018 12:21:15 GMT -5
sad and pathetic somebody with a vendetta cost somebody their job. Gunn apologized for the tweets and showed contrition.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 21, 2018 13:57:09 GMT -5
It's a shame and I'm a big fan, and very disappointed that he won't get to do Guardians 3, but Disney couldn't really ignore that stuff when it was highlighted. It's weird that they ignored it when they originally hired him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 14:30:34 GMT -5
sad and pathetic somebody with a vendetta cost somebody their job. Gunn apologized for the tweets and showed contrition. I wonder if you showed this much forgiveness to Trump when he apologised for his 20 year old comments about grabbing women by the ****? THERE WERE TEN THOUSAND TWEETS IN TOTAL. There was also allegedly link to a potentially criminal video. Gunn is not 'innocent' by any stretch.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 21, 2018 14:55:13 GMT -5
I guess Batista is none to happy about Gunn's firing. I'm sure he's not. Gunn has given us some of the best character in modern movies. And I agree this sucks, and I believe Gunn when he says he's not the man he used to be. But at the same time, that was some weird s**t to say.
I will say, I'm glad Gunn is not blaming anyone or anything. Just knows he messed up and is willing to accept it. I like that. See that Roseann, that's how you take accountability.
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Post by blissfan4life on Jul 21, 2018 15:56:26 GMT -5
sad and pathetic somebody with a vendetta cost somebody their job. Gunn apologized for the tweets and showed contrition. I wonder if you showed this much forgiveness to Trump when he apologised for his 20 year old comments about grabbing women by the ****? THERE WERE TEN THOUSAND TWEETS IN TOTAL. There was also allegedly link to a potentially criminal video. Gunn is not 'innocent' by any stretch. And he apologized and has shown remorse. And FYI The guy who got him fired is a huge hypocrite seeing as he's tweeted many rape jokes himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 16:22:32 GMT -5
I wonder if you showed this much forgiveness to Trump when he apologised for his 20 year old comments about grabbing women by the ****? THERE WERE TEN THOUSAND TWEETS IN TOTAL. There was also allegedly link to a potentially criminal video. Gunn is not 'innocent' by any stretch. And he apologized and has shown remorse. And FYI The guy who got him fired is a huge hypocrite seeing as he's tweeted many rape jokes himself. Mike Cernovich being trash doesn't excuse James Gunn for being trash. 10 thousand tweets and potentially criminal video, an apology doesn't make up for that.
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Post by Tim of thee on Jul 21, 2018 22:03:38 GMT -5
What’s the criminal video?
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Post by JTG on Jul 22, 2018 18:14:36 GMT -5
It's a shame he won't be able to close out the trilogy. Just another example of how anything you put out into social media can come back and destroy you. I hope people start taking note with everything that's been going down this year. Social media is not a safe outlet to post whatever you want. With that said, Gunn truly does seem remorseful. Since he's played a major part in the scripts for these movies I'm curious if they'll start from scratch or keep what he's written.
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Post by 1992 on Jul 22, 2018 19:07:23 GMT -5
oh the irony!! And somewhat hilarious. "NO FAIR! NO FAIR!" Hilarious sh*t. Don't relish in feeding a monster then bitch and moan when it eventually turns to maul you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 21:58:55 GMT -5
Is this the beginning of like,a reverse witch hunt?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 5:59:55 GMT -5
I wonder if you showed this much forgiveness to Trump when he apologised for his 20 year old comments about grabbing women by the ****? THERE WERE TEN THOUSAND TWEETS IN TOTAL. There was also allegedly link to a potentially criminal video. Gunn is not 'innocent' by any stretch. "20 year old comments" - Trump made the comment in September 2005 and he issued a half attempt at an apology in October 2016, that's only eleven years. And I say he issued a half attempt because in his apology he acknowledged what he said on the tape, but then turned the attention to something someone else has done by mentioning Bill Clinton. Very much like how in this thread and very thing I'm quoting you mention the apology from Trump as a means of since a member said that since James Gunn apologized it should be OK, just like how you mentioned that Trump apologized it should be OK. If you're OK with Trump's apology and then getting and keeping the job of President, then you should be OK with James Gunn regaining and keeping his job of director with Marvel Studios because he apologized. The difference I want to bring to attention is that in James Gunn's apology he fully acknowledged his past and owned everything he said for what they were, jokes. Also, he only kept it about himself and didn't bring anyone else into it.
Saying something in capitals doesn't make it true. What you're trying to bring attention to is that he has recently deleted 10,000 tweets. There's a difference between making 10,000 offensive tweets and deleting 10,000 tweets. I would be willing to bet that of those 10,000 there are a lot that aren't bad but anything that could be misconstrued or just junk in general. I can't say for sure because I haven't seen all 10,000, but I am willing to give him a lot of slack considering in the collage thatJack Posobiec posted of his tweets they're not all about pedophilia or even bad some are being lumped in. If he really had 10,000 tweets, why couldn't this guy find at least 16 fully offensive tweets to use? To reiterate, I don't feel all the tweets shown in the collage were bad, but again guilty by association. Using the collage - the one about the shower pressure is just a silly analogy that if your favorite wrestler tweeted a week ago you'd probably think he's staying at some crappy hotel and think nothing of it. The Louie Anderson tweet is James Gunn using Louie as the joke because Louie has been accused of far worse things than James Gunn, again that's a guilty by association tweet. The one about the billboard & Steven Tyler was the misuse of the word "tranny", I fully understand its not to be used, but hey, we still have peers using it. The Max Keeble movie tweet, could very much be something you hear someone tell a late night talk show host about and make for some 2 minute fodder clip for YouTube. However, I can't say anything about the tweet with a link about Huston Hiddleston because I haven't seen it, but I did find a response from his personal blog on Sept. 20, 2010 that had a joke reply acknowledging it. However, James Gunn didn't post the link it was Huston Hiddleston who did and he was in fact arrested for material just like it. But if we kinda blur the lines and leave out a few key details we can twist the narative. It feels very much like a tactic like "look he's passing around links!" I don't think he is in the slightest. Also of note, all the tweets that have been cherry picked for the collage are between 2009-2012. They were there in public view before the first Guardians movie, why do they wait until after two massively successful movies to bring attention to an old behavior? And why did Jack Posobiec use "#WalkAway"? It could only be because Gunn is an outspoken Liberal and he is, a recurring theme here, trying to lump him in and turn it political when this is about an entertainment figure. Plus we all know how valid that movement is especially its been shown to use bots such as @sophialimited - The #WalkAway meme is what happens when everything is viral and nothing matters again its all for politics.
The true problem here is that people have to bring politics into everything and things can't be their own issue. The issue at hand is about James Gunn's past with shocking humor, but everything turns political from both sides. And what gets at me most is that its either red team or blue team with no gray area both sides have such strict hive mentalities that I feel you can't have an open conversation - much like how I feel a lot of this post is going to be criticized.
I am not saying what James Gunn has said is right, but I have grown up with stand-up comedy and comedy in general in my entire life and this is just all about context. I knew about James Gunn's past prior to Disney as I am very much sure Disney has had to have known as well. In this 2017 article The Maniac Who Conquered Marvel he acknowledges it, towards the last bottom quarter of the article you can search "I was a very nasty guy on Twitter." to jump to the section.
I feel that James Gunn should be rehired as director for Guardians vol. 3 and have signed the petition at change.org and if you feel the same then please sign it and hope for the best - www.change.org/p/marvel-re-hire-james-gunn
Lastly, I feel Roseanne should never have been fired. I grew up with her and that show and know she's a comedian and I know in the last few years she's been more edgy than usual for more of a shock reaction, but one thing I never see anyone from either side mention is the similarities of Valeria Jarrett and Helena Bonham Carter from Planet of the Apes. What made this bad is the mentality of "she said apes so she must mean African American!" the only problem with her saying that was if Helena Bonham Carter was in a movie that the title couldn't be misinterpreted like "Beetlejuice" then this would have been some tweet anyone would barely roll an eye at. But when I look at it, I see what she's getting at or was going for.
I wish comparisons, like those below, and more than three minutes of searching the web were used now a days.
[/spoiler] [/div][/quote] Assuming James Gunn never acted on what he was joking about, I do accept his apology. I believe when you apologize, and if you're sincere you should be given another chance. I think it was wrong to try and bring down Trump with dumb crap he said nearly 20 years ago, just like it's wrong to do it with Gunn. And it was wrong to do it with Roseanne. But you cannot have it both ways with this stuff. I think you have to seriously look at the Huston Hiddleston video as damning. While the video itself was not apparently not illegal (according to breitbart it was young girls singing a provocative song), the fact that this game from a convicted sex offender, his friend, and Gunn's comments about it should be investigated. Until this is cleared up, and considering the massive amount of sexual deviants plaguing hollywood; Gunn's tweets read more like confessions of criminal activity than they do jokes. Something is seriously, seriously wrong in Hollywood. If he is innocent of any wrong doing, then I believe he should be rehired.
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