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Post by PJ on Jul 30, 2018 11:07:20 GMT -5
My mt. Rushmore....(1985-2000) Hogan Flair Savage Sting I don’t love all of michaels, warrior, or Hart. For the record, my favorite wrestler ever is mr perfect. Is that just Mt Rushmore of all wrestling? Because if it is that would be 3/4 of mine also. But I would have Piper instead of Savage. Only because even though he never held the titles I felt Piper was just as important as Hogan and without him I don’t think wrestling would have gone to the heights it did had Piper not been Hogan’s adversary.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jul 30, 2018 11:23:41 GMT -5
My mt. Rushmore....(1985-2000) Hogan Flair Savage Sting I don’t love all of michaels, warrior, or Hart. For the record, my favorite wrestler ever is mr perfect. Is that just Mt Rushmore of all wrestling? Because if it is that would be 3/4 of mine also. But I would have Piper instead of Savage. Only because even though he never held the titles I felt Piper was just as important as Hogan and without him I don’t think wrestling would have gone to the heights it did had Piper not been Hogan’s adversary. Piper was good but I thought he was obnoxious and I’m a guy who likes the heels. I was conscious of wrestling then but never fully into it until the million dollar man and his stable came to be. So in my experience piper wasn’t as important to wrestling as hogan.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 30, 2018 11:33:16 GMT -5
My mt. Rushmore....(1985-2000) Hogan Flair Savage Sting I don’t love all of michaels, warrior, or Hart. For the record, my favorite wrestler ever is mr perfect. I like your choices for that period, though I would have to add Austin. He is said to be the highest money earner in WWE/F history and his peek years were 1996-1999, so he fits in your timeline. Not sure who I would leave off, I think Hogan and Flair have to stay because they are probably 2 of the biggest names in wrestling history, but taking Savage and Sting off would be difficult for me. Savage is my all-time favorite wrestler and Sting was the reason I tuned into WCW in their early days. I know you're not a fan of Michaels and Hart but I think they deserve a look, unfortunately for them they came to prominence during a period when wrestling was down everywhere (due to steroids, the trial against Vince and the WWF, the deaths of a lot of young wrestlers due to drugs, the ring boy sex scandal, etc.) and its a shame because they are two of the best in ring performers (wrestlers) I have ever seen - along with Mr. Perfect. My personal Mt. Rushmore is Savage, Sting, Hitman, Austin. I am not saying these are the best wrestlers or most important people to wrestling history, these are just the people who I tuned in to watch over anyone else - if these guys were on tv I was watching. As for the Mt. Rushmore for WWF/E all-time I think the first 3 are easy, Bruno, Hogan, and Austin, after that it gets tough. I can't add Flair because he was really only there for a year and a half during his prime. The Rock, Savage, Piper, Andre, Undertaker, Shawn, Bret, Rogers, Graham, and Backlund could make the list, they were all very important to the history of the WWF/E. I understand the reason people want to add Cena to the list but he was the reason I stopped watching wrestling so I cannot add him to the list. Also hard to add someone to the list who was pushed hard as a face and booed by about half the audience, I don't remember that ever happening before. Edit: should probably add Triple H to the list of wrestlers who could be the 4th guy, not saying he should be the 4th guy but I think he deserves a look/mention.
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Post by Da Handsome 1 on Jul 30, 2018 12:21:20 GMT -5
Is that just Mt Rushmore of all wrestling? Because if it is that would be 3/4 of mine also. But I would have Piper instead of Savage. Only because even though he never held the titles I felt Piper was just as important as Hogan and without him I don’t think wrestling would have gone to the heights it did had Piper not been Hogan’s adversary. Piper was good but I thought he was obnoxious and I’m a guy who likes the heels. I was conscious of wrestling then but never fully into it until the million dollar man and his stable came to be. So in my experience piper wasn’t as important to wrestling as hogan. My Mt. Rushmore... Hogan Flair Sting over Bret Bruno
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Post by ChainGang on Jul 30, 2018 13:13:08 GMT -5
Are people putting Bruno because they actually saw him wrestle or because of what they heard he did for wrestling?
Just curious....
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 30, 2018 13:22:08 GMT -5
Are people putting Bruno because they actually saw him wrestle or because of what they heard he did for wrestling? Just curious.... I never saw him wrestle, but he was basically THE WWWF back in the day and was a big draw for wrestling all over the world (when they let him wrestle outside of the northeast triangle). Also, I was doing a WWF/E Mt. Rushmore, not a wrestling Mt. Rushmore, so I added him because he is pretty important to the early history of the WWF/E.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jul 30, 2018 13:32:14 GMT -5
My mt. Rushmore....(1985-2000) Hogan Flair Savage Sting I don’t love all of michaels, warrior, or Hart. For the record, my favorite wrestler ever is mr perfect. Is that just Mt Rushmore of all wrestling? Because if it is that would be 3/4 of mine also. But I would have Piper instead of Savage. Only because even though he never held the titles I felt Piper was just as important as Hogan and without him I don’t think wrestling would have gone to the heights it did had Piper not been Hogan’s adversary. I loved Piper as a character and talker but his matches weren’t all that great. Don’t get me wrong, his matches were entertaining but as a heel he never got his comeuppance because he refused to lose clean to anyone. All of his matches ended in some sort of no contest, DQ, countout, etc. You can’t have great matches if they don’t have satisfying finishes. The only time I can think that he ever lost clean in the WWF was to Bret which is probably why it’s the best match he ever had in the WWF.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 30, 2018 13:39:28 GMT -5
Is that just Mt Rushmore of all wrestling? Because if it is that would be 3/4 of mine also. But I would have Piper instead of Savage. Only because even though he never held the titles I felt Piper was just as important as Hogan and without him I don’t think wrestling would have gone to the heights it did had Piper not been Hogan’s adversary. I loved Piper as a character and talker but his matches weren’t all that great. Don’t get me wrong, his matches were entertaining but as a heel he never got his comeuppance because he refused to lose clean to anyone. All of his matches ended in some sort of no contest, DQ, countout, etc. You can’t have great matches if they don’t have satisfying finishes. The only time I can think that he ever lost clean in the WWF was to Bret which is probably why it’s the best match he ever had in the WWF. True, that was the best "wrestling" match of his I ever saw, most of his matches were brawls. Another good match of his was the steel cage match he had with Rick Rude back in 89. It was on the Wrestling Superheros VHS
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jul 30, 2018 13:41:30 GMT -5
Are people putting Bruno because they actually saw him wrestle or because of what they heard he did for wrestling? Just curious.... Bruno’s prime was well before my time. The War to Settle the Score was my first vivid wrestling memory and is what got me hooked. That said, Sammartino is the George Washington of the company. He spent a combined 11 years as champion in just 2 reigns. That’s over 5 years more than Hogan during his 6 times as champion.
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Post by ChainGang on Jul 30, 2018 13:44:26 GMT -5
Are people putting Bruno because they actually saw him wrestle or because of what they heard he did for wrestling? Just curious.... Bruno’s Prime was well before my time. The War to Settle the Score was my first vivid wrestling memory and is what got me hooked. That said, Sammartino is the George Washington of the company. He spent a combined 11 years as champion in just 2 reigns. That’s over 5 years more than Hogan during his 6 times as champion. I was wondering if we had anyone on the board who was old enough that they grew up watching him as a kid. Lol I guess no one on here is that old though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2018 13:45:44 GMT -5
Are people putting Bruno because they actually saw him wrestle or because of what they heard he did for wrestling? Just curious.... I was thinking the same thing. I have never seen him wrestle and would not have him in my top 4 for that reason, most people here were too young to have seen him wrestle much if at all, im not too young and i still haven't
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jul 30, 2018 13:58:43 GMT -5
Bruno’s Prime was well before my time. The War to Settle the Score was my first vivid wrestling memory and is what got me hooked. That said, Sammartino is the George Washington of the company. He spent a combined 11 years as champion in just 2 reigns. That’s over 5 years more than Hogan during his 6 times as champion. I was wondering if we had anyone on the board who was old enough that they grew up watching him as a kid. Lol I guess no one on here is that old though. Ive seen a few of his matches. I’m not a fan of that style of wrestling during that time. He wouldn’t be a personal favorite of mine but can’t ignore stats and what he accomplished and how big a star he was during the era he was in.
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Post by PJ on Jul 30, 2018 14:10:47 GMT -5
Is that just Mt Rushmore of all wrestling? Because if it is that would be 3/4 of mine also. But I would have Piper instead of Savage. Only because even though he never held the titles I felt Piper was just as important as Hogan and without him I don’t think wrestling would have gone to the heights it did had Piper not been Hogan’s adversary. I loved Piper as a character and talker but his matches weren’t all that great. Don’t get me wrong, his matches were entertaining but as a heel he never got his comeuppance because he refused to lose clean to anyone. All of his matches ended in some sort of no contest, DQ, countout, etc. You can’t have great matches if they don’t have satisfying finishes. The only time I can think that he ever lost clean in the WWF was to Bret which is probably why it’s the best match he ever had in the WWF. Not taking clean loses is what made Piper great. By the end of the matches he had his opponents even more over with the crowds while becoming more hated. With the fans already anticipating their next meeting. And his matches with Hogan are what launched wrestlings popularity in the mid-80’s. Nobody else paired against Hogan would have been able to have done that. And his matches vs Snuka (and the Tonga Kid) were also great matches. They blew the roofs off wherever they wrestled. The matches were very entertaining and told the story. Are people putting Bruno because they actually saw him wrestle or because of what they heard he did for wrestling? Just curious.... I saw him wrestle in the late 70’s - 80’s, but not during his title runs. I’m pretty sure I started watching wrestling around a year or so before he dropped the title to Graham. The first match I can remember watching was the Executioners (Studd and Kowalski) vs Chief Jay Strongbow and Billy White Wolf in a 2 our of 3 falls match for the tag team championships. Which I think was sometime is ‘75-‘76.
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Post by ChainGang on Jul 30, 2018 14:22:56 GMT -5
I loved Piper as a character and talker but his matches weren’t all that great. Don’t get me wrong, his matches were entertaining but as a heel he never got his comeuppance because he refused to lose clean to anyone. All of his matches ended in some sort of no contest, DQ, countout, etc. You can’t have great matches if they don’t have satisfying finishes. The only time I can think that he ever lost clean in the WWF was to Bret which is probably why it’s the best match he ever had in the WWF. Not taking clean loses is what made Piper great. By the end of the matches he had his opponents even more over with the crowds while becoming more hated. With the fans already anticipating their next meeting. And his matches with Hogan are what launched wrestlings popularity in the mid-80’s. Nobody else paired against Hogan would have been able to have done that. And his matches vs Snuka (and the Tonga Kid) were also great matches. They blew the roofs off wherever they wrestled. The matches were very entertaining and told the story. Are people putting Bruno because they actually saw him wrestle or because of what they heard he did for wrestling? Just curious.... I saw him wrestle in the late 70’s - 80’s, but not during his title runs. I’m pretty sure I started watching wrestling around a year or so before he dropped the title to Graham. The first match I can remember watching was the Executioners (Studd and Kowalski) vs Chief Jay Strongbow and Billy White Wolf in a 2 our of 3 falls match for the tag team championships. Which I think was sometime is ‘75-‘76. Yeah I was wondering if people were basing their Mt. rushmore off of personal faves or the impact they had on wrestling. Mind if I ask how old you are PJ? Lol 😂
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Post by PJ on Jul 30, 2018 14:24:25 GMT -5
Not taking clean loses is what made Piper great. By the end of the matches he had his opponents even more over with the crowds while becoming more hated. With the fans already anticipating their next meeting. And his matches with Hogan are what launched wrestlings popularity in the mid-80’s. Nobody else paired against Hogan would have been able to have done that. And his matches vs Snuka (and the Tonga Kid) were also great matches. They blew the roofs off wherever they wrestled. The matches were very entertaining and told the story. I saw him wrestle in the late 70’s - 80’s, but not during his title runs. I’m pretty sure I started watching wrestling around a year or so before he dropped the title to Graham. The first match I can remember watching was the Executioners (Studd and Kowalski) vs Chief Jay Strongbow and Billy White Wolf in a 2 our of 3 falls match for the tag team championships. Which I think was sometime is ‘75-‘76. Yeah I was wondering if people were basing their Mt. rushmore off of personal faves or the impact they had on wrestling. Mind if I ask how old you are PJ? Lol 😂 Too old!..51
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Post by PJ on Jul 30, 2018 14:28:51 GMT -5
We're gonna talk about Roddy Piper, but gloss over the fact that the man had a bucket of chestnuts? I never saw that I will have to put it on my list of things to watch. Was he a regular on the show? About a week or two ago while flipping channels I saw he was a guest on Walker Texas Ranger.
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Post by ChainGang on Jul 30, 2018 14:30:44 GMT -5
Yeah I was wondering if people were basing their Mt. rushmore off of personal faves or the impact they had on wrestling. Mind if I ask how old you are PJ? Lol 😂 Too old!..51 I hope to still be collecting at your age. I have 25 more years to go.
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Post by Sting on Jul 30, 2018 14:30:55 GMT -5
Ah yes, WWF Champion Paul Bearer. Who could forget one of the greatest champs of all time. Yes, and his trusty finisher the Tombstone Piledriver!
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jul 30, 2018 14:41:44 GMT -5
Ah yes, WWF Champion Paul Bearer. Who could forget one of the greatest champs of all time. Yes, and his trusty finisher the Tombstone Piledriver! I’d rather have a manager of a champion than a couple developmental guys taking up two spots in the HOC line instead of the NXT line.
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 30, 2018 15:10:37 GMT -5
Actually, now that I think about it, I did see him wrestle. However, that was in the 80s - well passed his prime. He was in the WM2 Battle Royal and he wrestled Macho Man in 85/86.
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